Wife Witnessed A Crime

Off Topic
161

[quote]Vash wrote:

[quote]clinton131 wrote:
I have been an officer for 17 years and there is no way I could defend this type of behavior. I can certainly understand the outrage and the animosity held against LE officers when people observe this blatant abuse of power.

Based on what I have read from the OP, this is absolutely unacceptable behavior on the officer’s part. Even if the guy was cocking off at the officer, there is no reason why he should immediately resort to laying his hands on him and then proceeding to repeatedly punch him in the face. And to top it off this was over a texting complaint. Unbelievable. What is he going to do if he witnesses a legitimate crime in progress? The officer was way out of line and as far as I am concerned he needs to be criminally charged if this is what indeed occurred.

It is also my opinion that the OP’s wife needs to make a complaint with HPD’s Internal Affairs. Unfortunately if no one comes forward and files a complaint it will be the officer’s word against the OP’s friend. If the officer has somehow managed to keep his personnel file clean then they will lean towards the officer’s statement if there is no other evidence that would impeach his testimony. HPD has a responsibility to weed these type of people out of their ranks and it is in their best interest to do so.

With the exception of fucking the police, I have to say that the Bodyguard has given some sound advise on how to support a complaint against the officer. I would review his posts. [/quote]

Thank you for contributing. You sound reasonable, and I would appreciate your input in other threads, especially those detailing abuses or perceived abuses by LEOs.[/quote]

x2

162

[quote]Vash wrote:

[quote]clinton131 wrote:
I have been an officer for 17 years and there is no way I could defend this type of behavior. I can certainly understand the outrage and the animosity held against LE officers when people observe this blatant abuse of power.

Based on what I have read from the OP, this is absolutely unacceptable behavior on the officer’s part. Even if the guy was cocking off at the officer, there is no reason why he should immediately resort to laying his hands on him and then proceeding to repeatedly punch him in the face. And to top it off this was over a texting complaint. Unbelievable. What is he going to do if he witnesses a legitimate crime in progress? The officer was way out of line and as far as I am concerned he needs to be criminally charged if this is what indeed occurred.

It is also my opinion that the OP’s wife needs to make a complaint with HPD’s Internal Affairs. Unfortunately if no one comes forward and files a complaint it will be the officer’s word against the OP’s friend. If the officer has somehow managed to keep his personnel file clean then they will lean towards the officer’s statement if there is no other evidence that would impeach his testimony. HPD has a responsibility to weed these type of people out of their ranks and it is in their best interest to do so.

With the exception of fucking the police, I have to say that the Bodyguard has given some sound advise on how to support a complaint against the officer. I would review his posts. [/quote]

Thank you for contributing. You sound reasonable, and I would appreciate your input in other threads, especially those detailing abuses or perceived abuses by LEOs.[/quote]

“I’ll talk to you! You sound reasonable!”

163

[quote]Tex Ag wrote:

[quote]DJHT wrote:
Yea I had to fucking sucks. I did the V-Diet which was a bitch but lost 22 pounds of fat. Now I am doing that diet that Tibs had done an article on a few weeks back. Just drinking Mag10 three times during the day and then pigging out on meat and veggies at night. Also doing the dreaded Crossfit with the wife on Saturdays. I on the other side of 35 approaching 40 and I really have to consider my health long term.

However my goals have not changed just the weight, now instead of just trying to DL 500 and Squat 500 I want to do it weighing 205 instead of 245. [/quote]

I understand, I believe we are the same age. How is the Mag10 treating you? I have been tempted to try that. Have not had much luck digesting Anaconda.[/quote]

MAG-10 is not bad drinking it right now, I did my saturday day of death with the wife and then drank a Surge. The guy who runs the Crossfit is a Ortho surgeon and he also does a health and longevity clinic. Well for $1500 a year I can get prescription Test etc. The wife says if I do this than I have to go to Crossfit more than once a week. WTF. Still debating on this since I do 5-3-1, 4 days a week M-F.

164

[quote]clinton131 wrote:
I have been an officer for 17 years and there is no way I could defend this type of behavior. I can certainly understand the outrage and the animosity held against LE officers when people observe this blatant abuse of power.

Based on what I have read from the OP, this is absolutely unacceptable behavior on the officer’s part. Even if the guy was cocking off at the officer, there is no reason why he should immediately resort to laying his hands on him and then proceeding to repeatedly punch him in the face. And to top it off this was over a texting complaint. Unbelievable. What is he going to do if he witnesses a legitimate crime in progress? The officer was way out of line and as far as I am concerned he needs to be criminally charged if this is what indeed occurred.

It is also my opinion that the OP’s wife needs to make a complaint with HPD’s Internal Affairs. Unfortunately if no one comes forward and files a complaint it will be the officer’s word against the OP’s friend. If the officer has somehow managed to keep his personnel file clean then they will lean towards the officer’s statement if there is no other evidence that would impeach his testimony. HPD has a responsibility to weed these type of people out of their ranks and it is in their best interest to do so.

With the exception of fucking the police, I have to say that the Bodyguard has given some sound advise on how to support a complaint against the officer. I would review his posts. [/quote]

Thank you sir for responding.

Found out more today talking to Chris the guy attacked. This was not a Harris county cop but a local cop out of Seabrook. Pretty much went down like I had described. Chris has a lawyer and is filing civil suit against the officer. Also Chris was only charged with reckless driving. Seems weird that you get your ass beat for reckless driving.

165

[quote]DJHT wrote:

[quote]clinton131 wrote:
I have been an officer for 17 years and there is no way I could defend this type of behavior. I can certainly understand the outrage and the animosity held against LE officers when people observe this blatant abuse of power.

Based on what I have read from the OP, this is absolutely unacceptable behavior on the officer’s part. Even if the guy was cocking off at the officer, there is no reason why he should immediately resort to laying his hands on him and then proceeding to repeatedly punch him in the face. And to top it off this was over a texting complaint. Unbelievable. What is he going to do if he witnesses a legitimate crime in progress? The officer was way out of line and as far as I am concerned he needs to be criminally charged if this is what indeed occurred.

It is also my opinion that the OP’s wife needs to make a complaint with HPD’s Internal Affairs. Unfortunately if no one comes forward and files a complaint it will be the officer’s word against the OP’s friend. If the officer has somehow managed to keep his personnel file clean then they will lean towards the officer’s statement if there is no other evidence that would impeach his testimony. HPD has a responsibility to weed these type of people out of their ranks and it is in their best interest to do so.

With the exception of fucking the police, I have to say that the Bodyguard has given some sound advise on how to support a complaint against the officer. I would review his posts. [/quote]

Thank you sir for responding.

Found out more today talking to Chris the guy attacked. This was not a Harris county cop but a local cop out of Seabrook. Pretty much went down like I had described. Chris has a lawyer and is filing civil suit against the officer. Also Chris was only charged with reckless driving. Seems weird that you get your ass beat for reckless driving. [/quote]

Yea…no problem.

You are right, the fact that your friend was only charged with reckless driving is a little suspicious. The majority of time an officer has to go hands on with someone, the suspect gets charged with resisting and opposing or assault on a PO or both, at least in Michigan. Not sure about Texas law but I am assuming they are similar. Unless your friend was resisting arrest or attempting to assault the officer in any way, the only reason the officer should be putting his hands on your friend is to place the handcuffs on his wrists for his alleged driving offense. Striking him in the face is way out of bounds.

Another option on this is to get the media involved. I think someone may have already mentioned this, and I am sure your friend’s attorney is contemplating this option. Anyways, police departments only like the media when they are being patted on the back for something. No department wants incidents where violation of peoples civil rights and issues of excessive force are brought into the light and aired out in the media. The media is a powerful tool for a community that is being policed by a department that has issues with the officers abusing their authority. This usually forces change within the department.

166

DJ what wound up happening/what’s the current status?

167

Well sorry was out of town, the guy who was attacked I have actually became friends with myself. He is has a civil suit and of course his criminal suit. My wife has spoke to the internal affairs about the incident. Long story short, still in the grinding wheels of the court system.

168

[quote]DJHT wrote:
Well sorry was out of town, the guy who was attacked I have actually became friends with myself. He is has a civil suit and of course his criminal suit. My wife has spoke to the internal affairs about the incident. Long story short, still in the grinding wheels of the court system. [/quote]
report back to us in 2012 lol

169

Speaking of police abuse, what would yall do in this situation?

My little brother was pulled over and harassed by the cops a few weeks back. They had him out of the car for over an hour, the cop patted him down multiple times, including putting on rubber gloves and getting all up in his junk. They brought in the drug dog after he refused to have his car searched. He had no drugs or alcohol (he’s under 21), but the drug dog alerted anyway.

Anyways, they end up finding nothing, and after a bunch of tough guy bravado from the officers they finally let him go. My brother tells my parents, and my dad is furious. He calls the police station and gets a copy of the cops hood cam tape.

Here’s where it gets fucked up. On the tape, before they have the dog sniff it out, you can CLEARLY see the K9 officer go to his car, bring something small and white over and throw it into my brothers car. He has the dog smell right where he threw the object, and the dog goes fucking nuts. It appears clear as fucking day and night that he planted something in the car.

Planting evidence, illegal search, police corruption. This is a violation of his civil rights! I told my parents to send a copy of the tape to the media and put another up on youtube, but they don’t want to do that just yet. What would you guys do?

170

[quote]overstand wrote:
Speaking of police abuse, what would yall do in this situation?

My little brother was pulled over and harassed by the cops a few weeks back. They had him out of the car for over an hour, the cop patted him down multiple times, including putting on rubber gloves and getting all up in his junk. They brought in the drug dog after he refused to have his car searched. He had no drugs or alcohol (he’s under 21), but the drug dog alerted anyway.

Anyways, they end up finding nothing, and after a bunch of tough guy bravado from the officers they finally let him go. My brother tells my parents, and my dad is furious. He calls the police station and gets a copy of the cops hood cam tape.

Here’s where it gets fucked up. On the tape, before they have the dog sniff it out, you can CLEARLY see the K9 officer go to his car, bring something small and white over and throw it into my brothers car. He has the dog smell right where he threw the object, and the dog goes fucking nuts. It appears clear as fucking day and night that he planted something in the car.

Planting evidence, illegal search, police corruption. This is a violation of his civil rights! I told my parents to send a copy of the tape to the media and put another up on youtube, but they don’t want to do that just yet. What would you guys do?[/quote]

Can’t really speak too much as to the reason for the stop and search. Only getting one side of the story. But an hour does seem like a long time to be held, especially if your brother was not charged with anything. Courts have ruled that an officer may detain people for a “reasonable” amount of time in order to conduct their investigation. An hour is usually not reasonable unless they are being investigated for a specific crime. Did the officer have a search warrant?

As for the officer donning rubber gloves and getting all up in your brother’s junk, I certainly hope it was a pat down of the outer clothing. Officers may conduct a pat down for weapons if they have a “reasonable suspicion” that someone is carrying a weapon on their person. What this officer’s “reasonable suspicion” is is unknown, so again I can’t speculate if the search was proper or not.

If this officer did indeed plant evidence, then you need to file a complaint with that department’s internal affairs. You are absolutely right, your brother’s civil rights have been violated if this is the case.

I will say that what you witnessed on the video may have an explanation. I am not a K9 Officer but I have worked around several of them. A lot of these K9 dogs are not as big and as bad as what one would think. In fact the majority of these dogs are motivated by dog toys. One dog handler that I worked with would throw the dog toy into the vehicle that he wanted to search in order to get the dog into the car. Once the dog was in the car he would take the toy away from the dog and cue the dog to start it’s search. If the dog alerted on anything the handler would then reward the dog by giving him the dog toy. In regards to the handler that I am talking about, if he did not reward the dog immediately after the dog found the drugs the dog would attempt to eat the drugs if it was not distracted by the dog toy.

I am not saying the above is what happened in your brother’s case, but then again, it may be.

171

No search warrant. He was pulled over for crossing over a white line. My brother had been arrested by this same officer about a year and a half ago (for pot), so it would seem that would be the real reason he was stopped.

I’m not so much concerned about the stop. The officer was being a prick, but I was more explaining why my parents ended up requesting the tape.

I wish I could post the video. It does not look like a dog toy at all. Whatever it was, it fit inside the palm of his hand and was invisible with his fist closed. You can tell he was trying to be discreet by the way he threw it.

Also, the dog wasn’t inside the car at this point. The cop threw the object through an open window, then had the dog sniff the open window. The dog went nuts, so I assume that’s how they got probable cause to search the vehicle.

172

I would advise your parents to make an inquiry with the department in question. At the very least they should be able to obtain an explanation to what was thrown into the vehicle. If it was some type of contraband that made the dog alert, let the games begin.

Additionaly, when a dog “goes nuts” this does not mean that they are alerting on anything. When a dog alerts on something they are trained to sit and stay still…at least the dogs that I have had exposure to anyway.

173

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]DJHT wrote:
Well sorry was out of town, the guy who was attacked I have actually became friends with myself. He is has a civil suit and of course his criminal suit. My wife has spoke to the internal affairs about the incident. Long story short, still in the grinding wheels of the court system. [/quote]
report back to us in 2012 lol[/quote]

Lol I know right.

174

I would also like to hear about how this is progressing as I grew up in the cypress area.

What did IA tell your wife?

175

[quote]Bellmar wrote:
I would also like to hear about how this is progressing as I grew up in the cypress area.

What did IA tell your wife?[/quote]

Not much just basically questioned her, she was feeling the stress she stated, just by being honest. The wife’s uncle and grandmother live in cypress.

IA did not tell her anything, just asked her a shit ton of questions.

176

[quote]CJE3200 wrote:
Original poster, I’ve read your original post a manifold of times but I am still unable to detect what “crime” your wife witnessed. So you’re friend was escorted out of the vehicle and taken into custody by the police. There is a difference between an assault (any unwanted touching) and a police officer using necessary force to take control of the situation. I guarantee if he would have listened to the officer and obey his verbal commands no one would have gotten hurt.

Now none of us were there except for your wife to actually see what had happened so I can’t say whether or not the officer’s force was necessary, but just going by what you stated originally, I don’t see what the problem is.

Obey the laws and respect law enforcement and you will have nothing to worry about.

-CJE

[/quote]

HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHA

177

Bump

Okay friend that was involved for all this just today finally got this settled, they dismissed the charges against him.

However the FBI have been in contact with him about this officer and of course my friend is seeking civil restitution for all its cost him out of pocket to fight the charges.

178

[quote]Derek542 wrote:
Bump

Okay friend that was involved for all this just today finally got this settled, they dismissed the charges against him.

However the FBI have been in contact with him about this officer and of course my friend is seeking civil restitution for all its cost him out of pocket to fight the charges.

[/quote]

Thats great news for your friend. I am sure he won’t have much trouble winning his civil case now that charges are being dropped. Most municipalities will settle these out of court as well.

Did your friend say why the Feds are getting involved? This is unusual.

179

[quote]clinton131 wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:
Bump

Okay friend that was involved for all this just today finally got this settled, they dismissed the charges against him.

However the FBI have been in contact with him about this officer and of course my friend is seeking civil restitution for all its cost him out of pocket to fight the charges.

[/quote]

Thats great news for your friend. I am sure he won’t have much trouble winning his civil case now that charges are being dropped. Most municipalities will settle these out of court as well.

Did your friend say why the Feds are getting involved? This is unusual.[/quote]

No he did not just that he was contacted by an Officer, my wife of course has not been contacted by them either.

This officer actually went through 3 cities “chasing” my friend to cut/run him off the road.

I got more story since the first post, since I have become friends with this guy since the OP.

180

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]clinton131 wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:
Bump

Okay friend that was involved for all this just today finally got this settled, they dismissed the charges against him.

However the FBI have been in contact with him about this officer and of course my friend is seeking civil restitution for all its cost him out of pocket to fight the charges.

[/quote]

Thats great news for your friend. I am sure he won’t have much trouble winning his civil case now that charges are being dropped. Most municipalities will settle these out of court as well.

Did your friend say why the Feds are getting involved? This is unusual.[/quote]

No he did not just that he was contacted by an Officer, my wife of course has not been contacted by them either.

This officer actually went through 3 cities “chasing” my friend to cut/run him off the road.

I got more story since the first post, since I have become friends with this guy since the OP.[/quote]

If the Feds are involved they must be considering charging the Officer with a Federal law violation(s). They usually alow the State to pursue charges and not pursue it federaly.

Additionaly, Your friend should get more than his legal fees covered. I am sure his attorney is looking into civil rights violations as well. This is where the big dollars are.