[quote]pushharder wrote:
electric_eales wrote:
pushharder wrote:
electric_eales wrote:
If you want to pull out the old chesnut of how the US entered the 2nd world war (4 years late) and helped us win it,
A bit of an historical correction here, Eales. Germany invaded Poland on Sept. 1, 1939 and the U.S. declared war on Dec. 8, 1941. You were off by two years. Also, the U.S. was shipping massive amounts of supplies to Britain under great risk well before Dec. of 1941. We even sent quite a few men. Many American pilots and merchant marines died defending Britain before the U.S. ever formally entered the war.
I have great respect and admiration for our British friends, the staunchest ally we’ve ever had besides Canada but very little British blood stains American soil (in the defense of that soil) and a whole lot of honorable American blood still soaks the soil of Britain and the European continent.
Yes, these men were our fathers and grandfathers but they and the nation who sent them are owed a huge debt of gratitude for time immemorial. To say any less is to lay sacrilege on their graves and expose those who say it as misinformed, ungrateful asses unworthy of a repeat effort if ever needed again. And knowing European history, they’ll need it again.
The time gap between declaring war and making a considerable military contribution should just about make up those two years I was out.
I really don’t want a pissing match here but your grasp of the historical facts is slippery. There were American troops in North Africa in 1942. I know. My father-in-law was one of them. And if he were alive today he might shove some “considerable military contribution” down your throat for saying otherwise.
Tip: don’t get on the internet and debate history when it’s obvious you never scored higher than a C- in high school history class.
Thanks for sending those supplies I think you will find they were all paid for.
Do more research, friend. America was never paid in full. What a complete and total fallacy to say otherwise. If you insist on claiming that, you’ve destroyed your credibility in this debate.
I have every respect and admiration for the men who came over here and fought for us, every respect for those who lost their lives, their families and the whole of America for what they did.
BUT… This again is indicative of some Americans bad attitude towards Europeons, to keep bringing up your involvment in the 2nd world war and to keep telling us how we would be German without you is pretty lame and is getting rather boring now.
You’re right. We need to remember to bring up the First World War and the Cold War too.
Now it could be argued that in the Great War American involvement was not near as critical as in WWll but Britain and western Europe had absolutely ZERO chance of winning the Cold War on its own. ZERO. NADA. ZILCH. ZIPPO.
There is no British lood spilt on american soil, this is because aprt from that attack onPearl harbour your soil has never been attacked.
Sorry, but you’re wrong again. Alaska was attacked and occupied for quite some time by the Japanese. No comparison to the Battle of Britain for sure but your knowledge of the history of the 20th century is lacking.
There has been a lot of British blood spilt over the past few years assisting you in the middle east,…
Very true and my sincere heartfelt thanks goes out to you and your countrymen. I really do mean that and if you take anything whatsoever out of this exchange with me then be sure and take that. I am immensely proud of our British military friends.
…and it is America that will benifit from the reconstruction of Iraq, and the oil liberated from there not Britain.
All western nations will benefit from the stabilization of the Middle East’s oil supply not just the U.S. Come on man, show a little bit of an intellect here for crying out loud. You’ve been swallowing that BBC horseshit by the shovelful.
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Damn I posed a question to Mazilla I knew he could not answer well, and Texaguy came in over the top and beat me up instead, wow I really wish I didnt post in this thread, anyway in for a penny:
I am not sure how many US troops were in North Africa in 1942, can you tell me how many so I can gauge whether or not it can be judged as a considerable contribution.
I am not sure how you can possibly know if all the supplies that were sent to assist with the war effort were paid for or not, but I cannot certainly prove that they were, so ill happliy give that one to you as the benifit of the doubt in hind sight I think most of it would have been a contribution.
I did not know that the Japanese invaded Alaska thank you for that info, it would have been a bit much to expect Britain to send troops to defend Alaska during the war though I think.
I do not watch much BBC to be honest but as a commercial free company they do offer some of the less biast opinions and news coverage.
The information I have seen with regards to the large contracts available to re build Iraq are being given to US companies, Britain is not geting much of a look in, same happened with Kuwait.
Anyway Texasguy your knowledge of history is far more suppirioe than mine and I appreciate you correcting me and educating me on some of these points.
so you have kicked my ass in a histrical debate, can you tell me do you think it is a good thing for Americans to travel the world with the same kind of attitude as Mazilla expressed?
Can you appreciate that these types of attitudes, for example many restaurants changing ‘french fries’ to ‘freedom fries’ just because the French goverment critised the American goverments war in the middle east.
America’s economy is a main factor in why you belive the US to be great, and that its military power that makes the US the only true super power in the world is also a main factor,
can you not see that these factors make the US great to Americans but not Necessarily to people outside of the US.
Outside the US the media is not as biased and reguarlly shows negative information about Americas involvement in the middle east, like America supplying arms to the Taliban originaly, and the Inadequate atempts to capture one man hiding in a cave.
this is why when some Americans express that their country is the greatest becuase they are so powerful and rich
other people may have an negative attitude towards them and think that being powerful and rich does not make you great to them because that does not greatly affect them. rather not having wars in the middle east and signing the kyoto agreement would make America more great to many non Americans