ok, nobody’s pickin on me anymore, i cut my balls off like the irish dude said, seriously, and it worked. you guys can all stop now, but thank you anyway, and an extra special thanks for an extra special leprechaun…
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
electric_eales wrote:
…and signing the kyoto agreement would make America more great to many non Americans
Except Kyoto is a poor agreement that most signatories (Clinton signed it) have no intention of meeting and if everyone met it it still would not reduce carbon dioxide emissions.
You really seem like you have been suckered by media portrayals and are not familiar with reality in a number of areas that have to do with America.[/quote]
Can you briefly outline your problems with the Kyoto treaty for me? (As in, why it will not do the things it’s supposed to as you claim) It’s very hard to find such in the mainstream media.
(Edit: Ok, it’s not hard, I found BBC articles on some of the supposed caveats. I’d still like to hear Zap’s reasoning though)
[quote]FlavaDave wrote:
Lol. I love everyone who says that Europe should lick our balls for “saving” them during WWII. From everything I’ve read the tide was turning before we entered the war. Sure we helped, but it was never out of some altruistic drive. Japan declared war on us and we had no choice but to enter the war.
As far as the US not being a great empire, we are as large or larger than the empires of old, but we do it in a much sneakier way now. These days we give loans to poor countries in exchange for them giving the contracts (infrastructure) to private US companies. We get them so deep in debt that they can’t possibly pay us back in $$ so we “allow” them to repay us in other ways (natural resources) as we see fit. So no, we don’t get credit for having an empire.
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WOW that was a refreshing read thanks for posting that
[quote]ZeWolfman wrote:
This topic is getting a little nausiating.
Like that bit in Spiderman 3 when the massive American flag billows behind him…[/quote]
well he is an american creation.
[quote]FlavaDave wrote:
Lol. I love everyone who says that Europe should lick our balls for “saving” them during WWII. From everything I’ve read the tide was turning before we entered the war. Sure we helped, but it was never out of some altruistic drive. Japan declared war on us and we had no choice but to enter the war.
As far as the US not being a great empire, we are as large or larger than the empires of old, but we do it in a much sneakier way now. These days we give loans to poor countries in exchange for them giving the contracts (infrastructure) to private US companies. We get them so deep in debt that they can’t possibly pay us back in $$ so we “allow” them to repay us in other ways (natural resources) as we see fit. So no, we don’t get credit for having an empire.
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We give away billions and pay for natural resources such as oil. To what are you referring?
[quote]Nikiforos wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
electric_eales wrote:
…and signing the kyoto agreement would make America more great to many non Americans
Except Kyoto is a poor agreement that most signatories (Clinton signed it) have no intention of meeting and if everyone met it it still would not reduce carbon dioxide emissions.
You really seem like you have been suckered by media portrayals and are not familiar with reality in a number of areas that have to do with America.
Can you briefly outline your problems with the Kyoto treaty for me? (As in, why it will not do the things it’s supposed to as you claim) It’s very hard to find such in the mainstream media.
(Edit: Ok, it’s not hard, I found BBC articles on some of the supposed caveats. I’d still like to hear Zap’s reasoning though)[/quote]
Assuming the alarmists are correct:
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Kyoto does not include the 2 biggest growth economies, China and India. Any carbon emissions in Europe and America would likely move to China and India. This would be worse because they have worse environmental regulations.
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Few signatories will come close to meeting the goals as it is. Most that have pledged to cut emissions have actually increased theirs in spite of all the political talk.
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In order to have any effect the cuts have to be so deep I don’t think it will ever happen.
I could go on but we have covered this many times in the politics forum.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
Zap, I know one thing for sure about this. We do NOT have the greatest educational system in the world. I believe the kid who wrote the above is actually enrolled in our university system; proof that our high schools are still churning out the lost and the hopeless.[/quote]
You should have used a : in between “for sure about this.” and “We do Not…”
It should look like this: “…one thing for sure about this: we do NOT…”
The way you have it written is grammatically incorrect.
If you think the US is giving away billions of dollars for nothing in exchange, then you’re pretty gullible.
We do pay for oil, though not as much as we should until recently. You can blame the increase in price on increased consumption in China, but it’s also because we’ve managed to piss off the people in control of the oil by using the tactics I described above in developing countries.
Really, what is the point of this discussion?
None of you run the countries that you’re arguing for, how does it affect you in any way apart from ‘my country’s the best’ bullshit?
[quote]Sxio wrote:
Really, what is the point of this discussion?
None of you run the countries that you’re arguing for, how does it affect you in any way apart from ‘my country’s the best’ bullshit?
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Really what is the point in you posting?
Re read the posts, this is not a my country is best debate, as i have said before it is a debate it is what happens when adults and internet forums collide.
[quote]texasguy2 wrote:
well he is an american creation. [/quote]
And my second favourite American creation next to DC’s Batman…
…But America is also responsible for Aquaman, it’s not ALL good.
[quote]FlavaDave wrote:
pushharder wrote:
Zap, I know one thing for sure about this. We do NOT have the greatest educational system in the world. I believe the kid who wrote the above is actually enrolled in our university system; proof that our high schools are still churning out the lost and the hopeless.
You should have used a : in between “for sure about this.” and “We do Not…”
It should look like this: “…one thing for sure about this: we do NOT…”
The way you have it written is grammatically incorrect.
If you think the US is giving away billions of dollars for nothing in exchange, then you’re pretty gullible.
We do pay for oil, though not as much as we should until recently. You can blame the increase in price on increased consumption in China, but it’s also because we’ve managed to piss off the people in control of the oil by using the tactics I described above in developing countries.
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Where do you get this stuff? Seriously? Since Canada is one of our major suppliers do you think they are victims of our tactics?
i’ve got a few questions just out of pure curiocity:
what is the patriot act?
is the US a net importer or exporter of oil?
(i know that dispight of north sea oil england is a net importer cos NSO is too thin for any practical use and has to be mixed with arabian oil)
Why is there never any political pressure on china to limit their cardon immisions?
(oh and by the way per capita US is the greatest consumers of resorces)
IMO the greatest country in the world from the view point of where i’d most like to live is clearly Brazil, good weather, carnival, stunning landscape, most metropolitan mix of ethnicitys, best football team in the world and by far the best looking women (Gisele and Adreana Lima for example)
Whats that tiny island that had the highest “Happiness rating” or something similar?
And I think China isn’t getting as much pressure because China isn’t seen to have good relations with many (if any?) countries. Whereas the US is MEANT to be a country striving for the common good.
That sounded lame.
[quote]ZeWolfman wrote:
Whats that tiny island that had the highest “Happiness rating” or something similar?
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wasn’t there an Atomic Dog on TC’s visit to Bora Bora, is that where you mean?
Maybe, I just remember it was the first time they’d measured a places inhabitants average happiness alongside, birth rate, death rate, annual income etc. And this tiny Island came out on top.
[quote]ZeWolfman wrote:
Maybe, I just remember it was the first time they’d measured a places inhabitants average happiness alongside, birth rate, death rate, annual income etc. And this tiny Island came out on top.[/quote]
i bet there is a positive corrilation between GDP and unhappieness. That should tell us something, but to be honest i’d never want to stand in the way of progress.
PS, found this picture and thought it fitted this thread quite well.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
While you’re at it, study up on your grammar. You should only use a colon after an independent clause that precedes a list. My sentence did not contain a list. Also, “colon” is the word for the punctuation symbol you mandated; use the word not the symbol in the sentence you wrote if you want to be grammatically correct.
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I’m going to assume that you realize that sentence qualifies as an independent clause, but you should realize that you had a list. You had a list of one. Since that list was about things that you know for sure, I would say it was pretty accurate.