I never tip, and I often leave large messes for people to clean up at the table.
Life has never been easy for me, so why should it be different for anyone else?
[quote]human743 wrote:
A server who does that should be in jail.[/quote]
I agree with this 100%. Refusal to serve is perfectly acceptable, but putting unhealthy stuff in the food should be grounds for arrest.
-Dan
[quote]buffalokilla wrote:
I agree with this 100%. Refusal to serve is perfectly acceptable, but putting unhealthy stuff in the food should be grounds for arrest.
-Dan
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It is.
[quote]emdawgz1 wrote:
Once i went to Fridays, w/ a good sized group. The food was bad, some burned, some undercooked.
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I don’t know what it is about Fridays, but as a chain they have consistently poor service. There were several times, at different Fridays, that we came in a couple of hours before closing and ordered our appetizers, only to be told (an HOUR later) by the server that he’s “sorry, but the kitchen is closing” an hour early. By the time we got whatever was left over in the kitchen, it was just about closing time. On the plus side, the food was usually free at that point…
[quote]OneEye wrote:
Nominal Prospect wrote:
Listen, I’m paying money to recieve food at a restaurant. I associate the price on the menu with the overall charge of being in the establishment. Don’t expect me to know or care what your salary arrangements are. You accepted that salary when you took your job, and I accepted the prices listed on the menu when I decided to eat at your restaurant.
Tips? Only if they’ll prevent some bloke from spitting in your food.
You are the scum of the earth. If you truly don’t care that your server might take home a $3 paycheck every two weeks and that you have actually cost them that much by eating there and not tipping, you have no soul. Not that you care.
Servers accept the job knowing that nearly all of their income will come from tips and that they lose their “wages” to taxation.
And yes, many servers will spit in your food (and worse) if they know you don’t tip. And servers have good memories about such things.
Kallash wrote:
I tip 10%. Why should it have gone up to 15-20%? Bullshit.
Maybe it’s because the cost of living has gone up and server’s wages have barely budged? I don’t know, and I don’t care. 15-20% has been the standard for well over a decade, maybe 2. Are you such a cheap heartless bastard that you can’t tip an extra dollar on $20?[/quote]
So, name calling, insults, and threats of contaminatng food are the correct actoin when you don’t get what you want for doing what you are supposed to do?
That is a very interesting approach. Especialy when as it was explained in your first post that nothing is your fault. It is the fault of the cook, the runner, and who ever else did anything, just not YOU.
You are an arrogant asshole that takes a menial job way too seriously.
Get your perspective corrected. You don’t save a persons life, and what you do has no lasting value. You take an order and cary it back out from a kitchen. Big Fucking Deal!
The audacity you have shown in starting this thread is idiotic. You have no place in customer service.
After reading this I only wish I knew where you wait tables so that I could come in and stiff your silly ass.
[quote]Kayrob wrote:
http://www.houstonchronicle.com/disp/story.mpl/headline/biz/4191557.html
Appropriate article for this thread in todays chronicle.[/quote]
The article hits on something I think a lot of people don’t understand. Some of you that hate tipping say you would rather see tipping eliminated, prices raised, and servers given minimum wage. I couldn’t disagree more.
First, very few restaurants can afford to double (more than double in many states) the wages of 60%-70% of their staff. The price increase needed to do this would be very significant. Instead of paying $7 or $8 for a burger or sandwich, you will likely have to pay $13 or more. And that’s just the low end of the menu. Personally, I’d rather just add 20% for the tip than add 70% to the bill.
Second, for those complaining about service, imagine the type of service you would recieve from servers making only minimum wage and no tips. The people that work for minimun wage are the kind of people that work at Wal-Mart and fast food places. You’re going to get a real low quality employee working what can be a very stressful job for minimum wage. They don’t give a shit. And why should someone give a shit? They’re getting their shitty check whether you get a timely soda refil or not.
Also, many restaurants have side jobs for the servers to do when it’s slow or when their shift ends. It’s often a few simple tasks like refilling ketchup bottles or rolling the silver into the napkins. There’s not much else for the server to do, and it’s not much of an issue for the server to basically do nothing since the restaurant is only paying them $3 an hour.
However, if their pay were doubled, restaurant owners and managers would expect more from them and give them more side jobs. It’s not much of an issue for the customer, but it just adds to the undesirability of the job. A restaurant that does this is going to have some real shitty servers to want to put up with all that for minimum wage.
Of course the restaurant could try to increase to caliber of server by paying more than minimum wage, but then prices go up even higher.
On the other hand, I agree with people that think restaurant should just add gratuity to the bill. A 16% to 18% gratuity added to every bill would be more than enough. Most servers would be making a very livable wage from 18%, the problem is that many are only getting 7%-9%.
The point is you cheap asses should just tip.
[quote]buffalokilla wrote:
human743 wrote:
A server who does that should be in jail.
I agree with this 100%. Refusal to serve is perfectly acceptable, but putting unhealthy stuff in the food should be grounds for arrest.
-Dan
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I think refusal to tip should be grounds for arrest. I compare it ordering a product to be delivered to your house and when the product gets there, you refuse to pay the delivery fee.
[quote]buffalokilla wrote:
human743 wrote:
A server who does that should be in jail.
I agree with this 100%. Refusal to serve is perfectly acceptable, but putting unhealthy stuff in the food should be grounds for arrest.
-Dan
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I know what you are saying, but almost every restaurant puts “unhealthy stuff” in their products.
[quote]malonetd wrote:
buffalokilla wrote:
human743 wrote:
A server who does that should be in jail.
I agree with this 100%. Refusal to serve is perfectly acceptable, but putting unhealthy stuff in the food should be grounds for arrest.
-Dan
I think refusal to tip should be grounds for arrest. I compare it ordering a product to be delivered to your house and when the product gets there, you refuse to pay the delivery fee.[/quote]
The way the system is set up, the restaurants are saying “we are not going to pay the servers, you as customers are going to pay them what you think they are worth”. This is going to lead to good and bad tips, you have to take the good with the bad. Most good servers I know make pretty good money, so it seems that the current system works.
Servers work in an industry where you deal with the public, that means you don’t just get to wait on the the good customers, you have to put up with the pricks as well. Anyone in the airline, retail, or many other industries can relate.
[quote]malonetd wrote:
buffalokilla wrote:
human743 wrote:
A server who does that should be in jail.
I agree with this 100%. Refusal to serve is perfectly acceptable, but putting unhealthy stuff in the food should be grounds for arrest.
-Dan
I think refusal to tip should be grounds for arrest. I compare it ordering a product to be delivered to your house and when the product gets there, you refuse to pay the delivery fee.[/quote]
Every server in the US is GUARANTEED minimum wage for your workweek. No server can make less than the normal minimum wage. They have to make up the difference if your tips do not get you to $6.50/hr. (or whatever it is in your state/city)on average for the week.
All servers will get at least this. If you are a server and have ever gotten less than this for a pay period, I recommend you contact the labor board, because it is against the law. No server is going to lose money or make less than the standard minimum wage. It’s the law.
tiping is fucking stupid, you get paid anyway. Do people in offices get tiped? nope. Teachers? nope. So why the fuck should people delivering your food which they didnt even fucking cook, die.
[quote]Charged wrote:
tiping is fucking stupid, you get paid anyway. Do people in offices get tiped? nope. Teachers? nope. So why the fuck should people delivering your food which they didnt even fucking cook, die.[/quote]
Wow, great post. You sound so informed on the subject.
[quote]Kayrob wrote:
I think refusal to tip should be grounds for arrest. I compare it ordering a product to be delivered to your house and when the product gets there, you refuse to pay the delivery fee.
The way the system is set up, the restaurants are saying “we are not going to pay the servers, you as customers are going to pay them what you think they are worth”. This is going to lead to good and bad tips, you have to take the good with the bad. Most good servers I know make pretty good money, so it seems that the current system works.
Servers work in an industry where you deal with the public, that means you don’t just get to wait on the the good customers, you have to put up with the pricks as well. Anyone in the airline, retail, or many other industries can relate.[/quote]
I don’t disagree with this, and know many servers who do very well. I was once one of them.
My gripe is that too often tipping isn’t based at all on quality of service, but rather on the tipping practices of the customer. A bad tipper will always leave a bad tip and a good tipper will always leave a good tip.
As far as other industries relating, yes, they can relate to the experience of handling a bad additude customer. But their paycheck doesn’t depend on that same customer.
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
So, name calling, insults, and threats of contaminatng food are the correct actoin when you don’t get what you want for doing what you are supposed to do?
That is a very interesting approach. Especialy when as it was explained in your first post that nothing is your fault. It is the fault of the cook, the runner, and who ever else did anything, just not YOU.[/quote]
I never said that nothing was my fault. I said that it is unfair to penalize a server if it isn’t their fault. If I screw up, I expect a bad tip and I don’t get pissed about it. The problem is when someone else screws up and then I get shafted for it.
I’ve said at least once in this thread (probably more) that I’m the first to leave a bad tip for terrible service. But if you leave a bad tip because the kitchen screwed up, even if your server tried his hardest to fix it, you are just being a cheap asshole.
Of course I take it seriously, dickhead. It’s how I pay my bills. You’re arrogant for looking down on my job.
You try it and get back to me. Until then I’m not interested in your opinion.
Did I really offend you that much?
“Audacity?” Get off your fucking high horse.
Do you feel better now?
[quote]Charged wrote:
tiping is fucking stupid, you get paid anyway. Do people in offices get tiped? nope. Teachers? nope. So why the fuck should people delivering your food which they didnt even fucking cook, die.[/quote]
It’s totally different in England than the US. Servers actually get paid decent wages in England. In the US, our wages are less than half of the federal minimum. We survive on tips alone.
How much do you tip when you eat at a buffet?
[quote]malonetd wrote:
I know what you are saying, but almost every restaurant puts “unhealthy stuff” in their products.
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Haha, yeah, good point.
Neph, good to hear it actually is illegal, I was under the impression it wasn’t prosecutable. Can a server who, say, sneezes on the food or shakes dandruff intentionally be arrested or is it just a small fine?
-Dan
[quote]human743 wrote:
Every server in the US is GUARANTEED minimum wage for your workweek. No server can make less than the normal minimum wage. They have to make up the difference if your tips do not get you to $6.50/hr. (or whatever it is in your state/city)on average for the week.
All servers will get at least this. If you are a server and have ever gotten less than this for a pay period, I recommend you contact the labor board, because it is against the law. No server is going to lose money or make less than the standard minimum wage. It’s the law.[/quote]
Check back through the thread, this is factually incorrect. There’s an exception in the law for employees such as waiters (I think bartenders fall under it too? could be wrong). It’s not like all the restaurants in the US are somehow getting away with this…well, from a legal standpoint anyway. I think it’s stupid.
-Dan
[quote]OneEye wrote:
SkyzykS wrote:
So, name calling, insults, and threats of contaminatng food are the correct actoin when you don’t get what you want for doing what you are supposed to do?
That is a very interesting approach. Especialy when as it was explained in your first post that nothing is your fault. It is the fault of the cook, the runner, and who ever else did anything, just not YOU.
I never said that nothing was my fault. I said that it is unfair to penalize a server if it isn’t their fault. If I screw up, I expect a bad tip and I don’t get pissed about it. The problem is when someone else screws up and then I get shafted for it.
I’ve said at least once in this thread (probably more) that I’m the first to leave a bad tip for terrible service. But if you leave a bad tip because the kitchen screwed up, even if your server tried his hardest to fix it, you are just being a cheap asshole.
You are an arrogant asshole that takes a menial job way too seriously.
Of course I take it seriously, dickhead. It’s how I pay my bills. You’re arrogant for looking down on my job.[/quote]
I don’t look down on waiting tables. It just isn’t that important. How many catastrophies have been prevented because a waiter did his job? How many have happened because he hasn’t? Aside from an occasional hissy fit, I’ve never seen anything realy fucking bad happen due to the negligence of the waitstaff. Nothing exceptionaly good though, either.
It’s just a regular old job. Get over it.
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Get your perspective corrected. You don’t save a persons life, and what you do has no lasting value. You take an order and cary it back out from a kitchen. Big Fucking Deal!
You try it and get back to me. Until then I’m not interested in your opinion.[/quote]
O.K., You do what I’ve done, then when you realize how absolutely fucking stupid your complaint is, don’t bother getting back to me. You will then have realized that your complaint about tipping is completely assanine.
Yes, audacity. As far as high horses go, Hows the view up there, waiter?
Remember, you started this thread to scold people on tipping and rant about how tough you have it.
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After reading this I only wish I knew where you wait tables so that I could come in and stiff your silly ass.
Do you feel better now?[/quote]
I never felt bad in the first place. Trivial bullshit like starting a rant about tipping is irksome at best.
What realy caught my eye were the threats and insults you doled out. Do you honestly think you are doing food servers any favors by publicly confirming that some petty spitefull little prick will spit in or otherwise fuck with a persons food?
I don’t respond well to shit like that. If it actualy happened, the idiot that did it would get his fucking head ripped off. Never mind the tip.
It is supposed to be a tip. Not a pay off to a shakedown tactic, you fucking nit wit.
You seem to have become deranged in your thinking on the relationship between customer and server.
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
I don’t look down on waiting tables. It just isn’t that important. How many catastrophies have been prevented because a waiter did his job? How many have happened because he hasn’t? Aside from an occasional hissy fit, I’ve never seen anything realy fucking bad happen due to the negligence of the waitstaff. Nothing exceptionaly good though, either.[/quote]
And what does any of this have to do with the thread? I never claimed to save any lives or to have done a service to humanity by being a server.
Get over what? You’re the one who seems to think I’m talking about serving as if it is an honorable profession on the same level as military service or emergency personnel. I never said anything of the sort.
I don’t know what you do and I don’t care. That has nothing to do with this discussion.
Still talking down to me? You have some real class.
I never threatened anybody. Show me where I did. I only insulted those who brought their issues into this thread and assaulted me for a perfectly rational argument (ie., tip the server based on service).
If you physically assault a server for putting something in your food, I hope both of you go to jail.
I never said that servers spitting in food was right, or justifiable, or that I do it. I only acknowledged that it happens (I’ve never seen it happen myself or I would report it). Everyone with half a brain knows that it happens.
Nice. You get pissed about me insulting people and in the same post you insult me worse. You must be a great person.
I never said anything about payoffs or anything like that. I said that TIPS SHOULD BE BASED ON SERVICE, AND NOTHING ELSE.
Quit projecting your own issues onto me.
The keword here is SERVER. Not servant. I’m there to help people have an enjoyable experience, not to be walked on and treated like shit.
[quote]Rockscar wrote:
Only in America.
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I’m glad I live in Oz! Over here I believe the standard wage for waiters etc is higher than in the US, thus the need for tips is not so great and any tip given is truly earned, not a “right”.
I reckon too many restaurants and cafes out here have a very high opinion of themselves and charge too much for their ordinary meals anyway, so don’t expect a tip after conducting highway robbery on my wallet, LOL!