[quote]mazilla wrote:
what was the point of this? your whining makes me want to tip less, and i used to be the chef who’s fault it was that everything went wrong, according to your philosophy. the rerason people leave a shitty tip, for the most part is due to shitty service by the wait staff. stop talking to your friends, and refill my drink. then you get a tip. besides, if it was not for the work of the back of the house, you would’nt get shit for tips anyways. i(along with the rest of the back of the house) feel that you should tip the cooks too. why does’nt the cook get tipped? he/she is the one who made the food the people are tipping for, we should be tipping the rest of the crew out and keeping the bulk for ourselves. servers are not the ones slaving in 120 degree heat, over open flame, on a slippery floor, around countless sharp and hot items. after cooking for several years, i realized it is one of the more dangerous jobs around. you have fryers, knives, boiling liquids, open flames, slippery floors, no sitting, and a crowd of customers who do not like to wait. tip us, we will make sure you servers get compinsated for all your “hard work”. i know how hard it is to carry a tray, you guys deserve a medal.[/quote]
If you want tips so bad get out of the kitchen and start waiting tables and give up your paycheck - cause you won’t get one waiting tables!
[quote]dead lead wrote:
do waiters / waitresses in america not get paid an hourly wage?
i never tip big myself because i’ve worked in kitchens at restaurants and hotels and think waiters have it easy compared to the stresses and amount of work that you have in a busy kitchen.[/quote]
[quote]Nominal Prospect wrote:
Listen, I’m paying money to recieve food at a restaurant. I associate the price on the menu with the overall charge of being in the establishment. Don’t expect me to know or care what your salary arrangements are. You accepted that salary when you took your job, and I accepted the prices listed on the menu when I decided to eat at your restaurant.
Tips? Only if they’ll prevent some bloke from spitting in your food.[/quote]
You are the scum of the earth. If you truly don’t care that your server might take home a $3 paycheck every two weeks and that you have actually cost them that much by eating there and not tipping, you have no soul. Not that you care.
Servers accept the job knowing that nearly all of their income will come from tips and that they lose their “wages” to taxation.
And yes, many servers will spit in your food (and worse) if they know you don’t tip. And servers have good memories about such things.
[quote]Kallash wrote:
I tip 10%. Why should it have gone up to 15-20%? Bullshit.[/quote]
Maybe it’s because the cost of living has gone up and server’s wages have barely budged? I don’t know, and I don’t care. 15-20% has been the standard for well over a decade, maybe 2. Are you such a cheap heartless bastard that you can’t tip an extra dollar on $20?
[quote]malonetd wrote:
I really can’t believe some of the cheap fuckers around here. On a $60 bill a 20% tip is only $12. Is that too much? Maybe you shouldn’t eat out then.
Why wouldn’t you want to take care of the people that serve you food. I can’t imagine how much mucus and crap and shit off the floor you cheap people eat. It works both ways, you treat the server like shit, you eat shit.[/quote]
[quote]Nominal Prospect wrote:
Listen, I’m paying money to recieve food at a restaurant. I associate the price on the menu with the overall charge of being in the establishment. Don’t expect me to know or care what your salary arrangements are. You accepted that salary when you took your job, and I accepted the prices listed on the menu when I decided to eat at your restaurant.
Tips? Only if they’ll prevent some bloke from spitting in your food.[/quote]
I can only imagine the shit that’s gone into your food.
This can be somewhat difficult to assess. There are people who don’t tip regardless of the service. Some who work in the industry will generally over-tip. Even if the service was sub-par, as long as he can see that the waiter/bartnder is working hard.
I’ve worked in the indusrty for over 12 years and I always over-tip. If I’m at the bar, I’ll always start out by offering to buy the bartenders shots AND tipping very big to boot. If the bartenders recognize me I don’t wait because they know what a good customer I am. I can take up their time and they don’t mind making the rest of you non-tipping schmucks wait:-) I have been in the 4th row of a crowded bar and been asked for my order over the rest of the people in front of me.
Some people just look completely perplexed by the bartenders lack of attention to them. I don’t say this to brag in any way but tipping big goes far and can get you a lot of buy-backs. So the next time you are in a restaraunt/bar that you visit fairly often just remember…if you are known to be cheap…you can expect poor service. The employees talk amongst one another and will recognize your stingy ass when you walk through the door and it’s “game on”.
[quote]Mikeyali wrote:
alownage wrote:
If you don’t tip, the SERVER’s service better have been AWFUL. Otherwise, you have no class, and in the instance of those working 2 jobs to support their kids (single mothers, etc…there are lots of them), you’re being a huge asshole. I bet a lot of you guys wouldn’t ever stiff a server if you had worked as one.
Again, this is from my perspective, because where I’m from (Illinois) servers get paid 3.90$/hour.
True, but isn’t it kind of lame that the customers are expected to pay the waiters via tips instead of the employers paying a proper wage?
Mike[/quote]
I think the point is so that you get better service.
The waiters and waitresses are dealing directly with the customers, so the compay is saying that the only way for them to make money is for them to make the customers happy.
Like the other guy posted, TIPS: To Insure Proper Service.
Boy has this topic grabbed my attention. Just shouting out a few things that I have read.
1)Tipping is expected, but it is not required.
2)If you are in the industry and tip a bartender heavy so that you can get thrown a free one here and there, you are both guilty of theft. I know a guy that lives by doing this. Brags about his $200 nights on a slow night, cuz he hooked up his friend. Friend tips heavy. Friend A goes to Friend Bs bar, returns the favor. In the end, their net aint shit. It is theft
Why do commissioned salespeople get commission?
A good server owns their area. That is, its maintenance, the table or bar stools orders are taken, checks are presented timely, attention is distributed between the willing customers, there is entertainment, suggestive selling, sometimes proctology… Recognize this and reward it.
5)anyone that says it is easy, just try it. You’ll never hear a vet of the service industry say how easy it is.
6)as far as wages to servers, have you in your non tipped job get sent home when it was slow? If an account can’t pay their bill, do they hit you up for it? Have you had a glass thrown at you? had a knofe pulled? had to break up a fight? step into an arguement between a couple? Made a request that was jsut a little off the menu?
7)Can’t afford to tip? stay home. If 3 or 4 more dollars breaks you, why are you out spending $60-$100 anyway
I tip people on what I think they are worth, not as a function of my bill. If i’ve spent 1-1/2 hours at a restaraunt having a good meal, with good service, propper attention, and a little bit of personal interaction (what I consider to be the minimum “average” dining experience) the server will get around $15-$20 an hour. That’s about what I make an hour as a design engineer in a small firm. If they exceede my expectations their hourly rate goes up, just as it would for anyone else. If they do not meet my expectations, they get less. If you converse with my wifes breasts while taking her order you get fired for inappropriate behavior. If I see the bottom of my drink glass or coffee cup you’re docked pay.
As to the example of the waitress who serves 4 $250.00 shots of Hen for a total bill of 1K, was her service worth $200.00 for approximatly 15min of work? That’s $800.00/hour, you walked 4 drinks on a tray to my table, be happy with the $15-$20 I leave you and move on.
[quote]malonetd wrote:
I really can’t believe some of the cheap fuckers around here. On a $60 bill a 20% tip is only $12. Is that too much? Maybe you shouldn’t eat out then.
Why wouldn’t you want to take care of the people that serve you food. I can’t imagine how much mucus and crap and shit off the floor you cheap people eat. It works both ways, you treat the server like shit, you eat shit.[/quote]
That’s why I have started cooking a lot of my own food or go to the same places where I recognize the guy grilling the beef. When I was a broke student, They were lucky to get 5 bucks if I was taking a girl out. That’s just the way things are. If you have the money, then tip like you know to do. Otherwise, to expect the same from everyone isn’t even realistic. I remember spending my last dime taking this girl out to Chili’s once. Granted, Chili’s is cheap…but my bank account was cheaper. That 12 bucks you speak of casually would have been gas money for the next week back then.
[quote]OneEye wrote:
swivel wrote:
OneEye wrote:
I personally have to give 1% of my sales (regardless of my tips) to the bartender, 2% to the bussers, and 1% to the food runner if there is one (a food runner “runs” the food from the kitchen to the tables).
damn dude out here bussers get 10%, runnners 10%, bar 5% and host 2%. that’s 27%. but whatever, it’s the cost of doing business. personally i used to tip out even more than the required amount and more often than not i’d see my section sat, drinks made, food run, and tables turned before anyone else’s. turn your tables before anyone and you’ve made your money/first in line to get cut. take 30% of the extra tips from the extra covers you did and pay someone to do your sidework and your outta there even earlier. hell the bussers i had used to fight each other to do my sidework !
I find it hard to believe you tip out 27% of your sales. You’d have to average 28% tips to even make money working there. 27% of your tips, I could understand. I tip out 4% of my sales, so if I average 20% tips, I take home 16%. If I sell $250 in food, I tip out $10 no matter if I made $25 in tips that day (in which case I’d only take home $15), or $100. I like the idea of tipping out a percentage of your tips rather than a percentage of sales.[/quote]
whoa my bad ! you’re right i mean tips. and when you do the math 4% sales is almost the same As 27% tips. so, as usual, my post is completely worthless.
[edit] but hold the weddin ! doesn’t tipping out on a % sales benefit you more than a % of tips ? because the tip out will always be the same but you tips can go up if you go the extra mie and get the extra percentage then you keep it. i’d much rather tip on a fixed percentage of sales than percentage of tips.
sell 1000:
-@ 15% tips; tip out 40; walk with 110.
-@ 18% tips; tip out 40; walk with 120.
-@ 20% tips; tip out 40; walk with 160.
yeah i guess it’s a possibility that it doesn’t favor you if you average below 15%. but how often does that really happen ? most waiters i know average 17-18%. in the long run, heck even the short run, tipping on sales is better.
[quote]OneEye wrote:
A 10% tip is not acceptable unless service was poor. [/quote]
In Manhattan everyone thinks a 20% tip is a fucking birthright.
How the hell do you rationalize that someone should at least tip 10% if service was poor??? I don’t give a fuck if the kitchen fucked up, the waiter, the bartender, the busboy, the maitre, etc. I DON’T CARE. If my dining experience was unpleasant, I blame the whole ESTABLISHMENT and reflect it in my tip. Tough shit if you work in a joint that doesn’t have its act together.
[quote]swivel wrote:
OneEye wrote:
swivel wrote:
OneEye wrote:
I personally have to give 1% of my sales (regardless of my tips) to the bartender, 2% to the bussers, and 1% to the food runner if there is one (a food runner “runs” the food from the kitchen to the tables).
damn dude out here bussers get 10%, runnners 10%, bar 5% and host 2%. that’s 27%. but whatever, it’s the cost of doing business. personally i used to tip out even more than the required amount and more often than not i’d see my section sat, drinks made, food run, and tables turned before anyone else’s.
turn your tables before anyone and you’ve made your money/first in line to get cut. take 30% of the extra tips from the extra covers you did and pay someone to do your sidework and your outta there even earlier. hell the bussers i had used to fight each other to do my sidework !
I find it hard to believe you tip out 27% of your sales. You’d have to average 28% tips to even make money working there. 27% of your tips, I could understand. I tip out 4% of my sales, so if I average 20% tips, I take home 16%. If I sell $250 in food, I tip out $10 no matter if I made $25 in tips that day (in which case I’d only take home $15), or $100. I like the idea of tipping out a percentage of your tips rather than a percentage of sales.
whoa my bad ! you’re right i mean tips. and when you do the math 4% sales is almost the same As 27% tips. so, as usual, my post is completely worthless.
[edit] but hold the weddin ! doesn’t tipping out on a % sales benefit you more than a % of tips ? because the tip out will always be the same but you tips can go up if you go the extra mile and get the extra percentage then you keep it. i’d much rather tip on a fixed percentage of sales than percentage of tips.
sell 1000:
-@ 15% tips; tip out 40; walk with 110.
-@ 18% tips; tip out 40; walk with 120.
-@ 20% tips; tip out 40; walk with 160.
yeah i guess it’s a possibility that it doesn’t favor you if you average below 15%. but how often does that really happen ? most waiters i know average 17-18%. in the long run, heck even the short run, tipping on sales is better.
[/quote]
You’re right. Sometimes it works out nicely, but sometimes it sucks. Sundays at my restaurant are when all the white trash and cowboys come in for some unknown reason. There are servers that have been at that restaurant for 6 years who are happy to make 15% before tip outs on Sundays because people tip like shit then.
[quote]JuliusA wrote:
How the hell do you rationalize that someone should at least tip 10% if service was poor???[/quote]
I never wrote that. If service was poor, 10% is forgiving. If service was good, or even just acceptable, 10% is not an appropriate tip.
Well, aren’t you a badass.
If the kitchen messes up and I bust my ass to fix it, but you “don’t give a fuck” and “reflect it in the tip,” the next time I see you I won’t give a fuck either and will reflect it in my service. And you just may get your drink spilled on you.
You tip your server based on their service. If I’m busting my ass to make everything right, have the decency to show some gratitude that I cared whether you enjoyed yourself or not.
[quote]JuliusA wrote:
OneEye wrote:
A 10% tip is not acceptable unless service was poor.
In Manhattan everyone thinks a 20% tip is a fucking birthright.
How the hell do you rationalize that someone should at least tip 10% if service was poor??? I don’t give a fuck if the kitchen fucked up, the waiter, the bartender, the busboy, the maitre, etc. I DON’T CARE. If my dining experience was unpleasant, I blame the whole ESTABLISHMENT and reflect it in my tip. Tough shit if you work in a joint that doesn’t have its act together.
[/quote]
i agree with this. you’re not there to think, you’re there to eat with family and friends and to have a good time doing it. nobody cares who’s at fault for whatever and even if they do you don’t want to spend time thinking about it when you’re out having fun and paying for it to boot.
no matter who screwed what up where, ultimately the buck stops with the waiter. alot of waiters don’t realize that their real job is to smooth out other people’s fuck ups and make everyone feel good about it.
If you can’t afford to give a decent tip, you should not be eating out. Sorry. It doesn’t have to be a great tip. But it should not be an insult to your server, particularly in this country where the wage is so low, and it is standard practice that tips are an integral part of those making a living in this way.
It’s different in other countries. The wage for servers is much higher, and the standard practice is to tip much lower. In some countries, the practice is to not tip at all except for exceptional service.
In America, the practice is to give a reasonable tip for reasonable service just like it is customary and appropriate to shake someone’s hand when you first meet them as opposed to giving them the finger. Or bowing to them like they do in some countries.
[quote]swivel wrote:
JuliusA wrote:
OneEye wrote:
A 10% tip is not acceptable unless service was poor.
In Manhattan everyone thinks a 20% tip is a fucking birthright.
How the hell do you rationalize that someone should at least tip 10% if service was poor??? I don’t give a fuck if the kitchen fucked up, the waiter, the bartender, the busboy, the maitre, etc. I DON’T CARE. If my dining experience was unpleasant, I blame the whole ESTABLISHMENT and reflect it in my tip. Tough shit if you work in a joint that doesn’t have its act together.
i agree with this. you’re not there to think, you’re there to eat with family and friends and to have a good time doing it. nobody cares who’s at fault for whatever and even if they do you don’t want to spend time thinking about it when you’re out having fun and paying for it to boot.
no matter who screwed what up where, ultimately the buck stops with the waiter. alot of waiters don’t realize that their real job is to smooth out other people’s fuck ups and make everyone feel good about it. [/quote]
Well, yeah. But if the kitchen gets the wrong order or cooks something wrong and the waitor fixes it or tries to fixes it, offers something free, etc…the waitor should get a good tip.
[quote]TDog305 wrote:
It annoys me the way waiters feel entitled.[/quote]
You try busting your ass for such low wages and then see if you feel entitled. The tip is practically my only source of income. I don’t even count wages in my monthly budget because I lose >95% of them to taxation.
[quote]malonetd wrote:
I really can’t believe some of the cheap fuckers around here. On a $60 bill a 20% tip is only $12. Is that too much? Maybe you shouldn’t eat out then.
Why wouldn’t you want to take care of the people that serve you food. I can’t imagine how much mucus and crap and shit off the floor you cheap people eat. It works both ways, you treat the server like shit, you eat shit.[/quote]