[quote]OneEye wrote:
I think those cooks should be tipped out because they bust their asses. The ones making $15/hr, however, don’t need tips.
Incorrect. I pay tax on every dollar I make, whether it’s wages or tips. Sure, some servers illegally don’t claim all of their tips, but if you do (as required by federal law), you pay tax on all of it.
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Do you think that waitstaff don’t need tips once their income exceeds $15/hr?
That’s nice for the gubmint that you follow the law, but a dollar or two has been known to slip through the cracks…from time to time. I mean heck, when you slip that untraceable cash in your apron, who can say how much was already in there from yesterday?
Disclaimer: I always signal before I change lanes, and I report pennies from the tray on my 1040
The waiters and waitresses I know pay taxes on their tips too (or so they say). At the end of the night they have to mark down how much they made in tips for tax purposes.
They might not tell about all of it, but they still have to pay taxes, and they get paid between $3-$4/hour.
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I work at a casino and all of our tips go into locked boxes that they open under a camera. Good thing too, because I would screw Washington State out of every cent if I could. This is actually a good post. I have noticed though that most people think that they tip much better than they do. I personally have left no tip several times (particularly at Denny’s) on account of bad service, but I also regularly tip in the 20-40% range for good service. I consider a decent average tip to be 15-20%.
The same time though, I don’t really like listening ot people cry about tips. The fact is that most tipable positions can make a lot of money for people that lack skills for a real job. I mean, it sucks when someone makes a gran off of me in 10 minutes and can’t even toss me a $5 chip but it’s not like I have to give up $5 when I take all of their money in 10 minutes either. All the same, people that don’t tip really are douchebags, I just don’t want to spend my time crying about it.
[quote]cap’nsalty wrote:
You’d have to be a cook in an absolute shithole to get paid 7-8 bucks an hour. The cooks at the pizza place I worked at made more than that.[/quote]
I was a cook about 6 years ago and I was making $10, but I had been there 5 years. Most of the guys made 6-8 dollars. It was a nice restaurant, but it wasn’t in the middle of Chicago. In most towns under 50,000 pop. (Which is most towns) that is pretty standard for a part time temporary gig slingin’ fries or throwin’ pies.
[quote]human743 wrote:
OneEye wrote:
I think those cooks should be tipped out because they bust their asses. The ones making $15/hr, however, don’t need tips.
Incorrect. I pay tax on every dollar I make, whether it’s wages or tips. Sure, some servers illegally don’t claim all of their tips, but if you do (as required by federal law), you pay tax on all of it.
Do you think that waitstaff don’t need tips once their income exceeds $15/hr?[/quote]
Irrelevant. The cooks aren’t serving anybody. You could take that further and say anyone making less than $15/hr should get tipped, which makes your argument absurd.
More often than not, I’m required to claim more than I actually take home because the computer system won’t let you claim less than your total credit card tips. If I make $150 in CC tips and $20 in cash tips, and then have to tip out $40, I only take home $130 but I still have to claim $150. Since most people pay with cards, this happens very often.
[quote]human743 wrote:
cap’nsalty wrote:
You’d have to be a cook in an absolute shithole to get paid 7-8 bucks an hour. The cooks at the pizza place I worked at made more than that.
I was a cook about 6 years ago and I was making $10, but I had been there 5 years. Most of the guys made 6-8 dollars. It was a nice restaurant, but it wasn’t in the middle of Chicago. In most towns under 50,000 pop. (Which is most towns) that is pretty standard for a part time temporary gig slingin’ fries or throwin’ pies.[/quote]
Currently minimum wage in Illinois is $6.50 an hour. I should think they make more than minimum wage these days.
[quote]OneEye wrote:
human743 wrote:
OneEye wrote:
I think those cooks should be tipped out because they bust their asses. The ones making $15/hr, however, don’t need tips.
Incorrect. I pay tax on every dollar I make, whether it’s wages or tips. Sure, some servers illegally don’t claim all of their tips, but if you do (as required by federal law), you pay tax on all of it.
Do you think that waitstaff don’t need tips once their income exceeds $15/hr?
Irrelevant. The cooks aren’t serving anybody. You could take that further and say anyone making less than $15/hr should get tipped, which makes your argument absurd.
That’s nice for the gubmint that you follow the law, but a dollar or two has been known to slip through the cracks…from time to time. I mean heck, when you slip that untraceable cash in your apron, who can say how much was already in there from yesterday?
More often than not, I’m required to claim more than I actually take home because the computer system won’t let you claim less than your total credit card tips. If I make $150 in CC tips and $20 in cash tips, and then have to tip out $40, I only take home $130 but I still have to claim $150. Since most people pay with cards, this happens very often.
Disclaimer: I always signal before I change lanes, and I report pennies from the tray on my 1040
Cute.[/quote]
You said that cooks should be tipped until their pay reaches $15/hr. I was wondering what it was about that amount that made any difference and why it wouldn’t apply to the waitstaff. I guess it sounds like maybe everybody who a) busts their asses and b) makes less than $15/hr should get tipped.
I don’t think you should claim tips you didn’t receive. If you have to tip out, that money is not your tips. The computer system is screwing you. If it was me, I would make that up on days I had enough cash tips until they fix the computer.
[quote]mazilla wrote:
what was the point of this? your whining makes me want to tip less, and i used to be the chef who’s fault it was that everything went wrong, according to your philosophy. the rerason people leave a shitty tip, for the most part is due to shitty service by the wait staff. stop talking to your friends, and refill my drink. then you get a tip. besides, if it was not for the work of the back of the house, you would’nt get shit for tips anyways. i(along with the rest of the back of the house) feel that you should tip the cooks too. why does’nt the cook get tipped? he/she is the one who made the food the people are tipping for, we should be tipping the rest of the crew out and keeping the bulk for ourselves. servers are not the ones slaving in 120 degree heat, over open flame, on a slippery floor, around countless sharp and hot items. after cooking for several years, i realized it is one of the more dangerous jobs around. you have fryers, knives, boiling liquids, open flames, slippery floors, no sitting, and a crowd of customers who do not like to wait. tip us, we will make sure you servers get compinsated for all your “hard work”. i know how hard it is to carry a tray, you guys deserve a medal.[/quote]
I agree that chefs should get tips. But it is absolutely true that people [wrongly] tip less if they don’t like the food even if the service is good and they like the server, short-changing them. I have been an assistant chef, and I have bused and waited table. All have their own stressful aspects. Chefs no more deserve a medal than servers and busers.
[quote]TrainerinDC wrote:
In my opinion, the base tip amount should be on the food and beverage amount only. I play a lot of pool, and hang out at pool halls, and I will only tip the waitress on my food and beverage purchases only. If I have two beers for $10, a chicken breast for $5 and the pool tab is $15 the server only gets tipped on the food and beverage.
The exception to this rule is, at the bar that I play in the pool league, I always get the same server. I went to high school with this girl. She always gets a tip from 50 - 100% [/quote]
What about tipping on the pre-tax or post-tax total? What do people expect?
It isn’t a huge difference usually, but it annoys me to think that I am expected to tip on the amount (10% in DC) that I am paying the government for the privilege of supporting the local economy.
[quote]rsg wrote:
emdawgz1 wrote:
Guy goes to a high priced cigar bar. Buys a round of napoleon brandy for 4 guys @ 250.00 per shot. So do you tip 20 % i.e. 200.00 to the waitress on a 1000.00 tab???
What do you do???
If you can afford to splash out 250 for a shot, and if the service is good, you can afford and should pay a 200 tip - simple as that.
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If you want to impress those four guys, for whatever reason, you MUST pay the tip of 200$, or else you risk ruining your performance…
Remember: 200$? You could not care less.
If you just happen to have a shitload of money, why save on the tip you cheap wanker?
[quote]cap’nsalty wrote:
human743 wrote:
cap’nsalty wrote:
You’d have to be a cook in an absolute shithole to get paid 7-8 bucks an hour. The cooks at the pizza place I worked at made more than that.
I was a cook about 6 years ago and I was making $10, but I had been there 5 years. Most of the guys made 6-8 dollars. It was a nice restaurant, but it wasn’t in the middle of Chicago. In most towns under 50,000 pop. (Which is most towns) that is pretty standard for a part time temporary gig slingin’ fries or throwin’ pies.
Currently minimum wage in Illinois is $6.50 an hour. I should think they make more than minimum wage these days.[/quote]
No, it is $6.00 if you are under 18 and it has only been that way for a couple of years. I was referring to what the guys I worked with got paid at the time.
There are also about 284,000,000 people that don’t live in Illinois ( I am aware that other states have higher wages too)
[quote]human743 wrote:
OneEye wrote:
human743 wrote:
OneEye wrote:
I think those cooks should be tipped out because they bust their asses. The ones making $15/hr, however, don’t need tips.
Incorrect. I pay tax on every dollar I make, whether it’s wages or tips. Sure, some servers illegally don’t claim all of their tips, but if you do (as required by federal law), you pay tax on all of it.
Do you think that waitstaff don’t need tips once their income exceeds $15/hr?
Irrelevant. The cooks aren’t serving anybody. You could take that further and say anyone making less than $15/hr should get tipped, which makes your argument absurd.
That’s nice for the gubmint that you follow the law, but a dollar or two has been known to slip through the cracks…from time to time. I mean heck, when you slip that untraceable cash in your apron, who can say how much was already in there from yesterday?
More often than not, I’m required to claim more than I actually take home because the computer system won’t let you claim less than your total credit card tips. If I make $150 in CC tips and $20 in cash tips, and then have to tip out $40, I only take home $130 but I still have to claim $150. Since most people pay with cards, this happens very often.
Disclaimer: I always signal before I change lanes, and I report pennies from the tray on my 1040
Cute.
You said that cooks should be tipped until their pay reaches $15/hr.[/quote]
No, I didn’t. “$15” was a number I picked to represent “good wages” for a cook. And I think cooks who make “good wages” shouldn’t be tipped out, because they are getting compensated reasonably for the work they do. Cooks who make “poor wages” should get tipped out because they are getting screwed by their company.
The computer isn’t broken. That’s just how it works anywhere, as far as I’m aware (and I’ve worked in many different restaurants). There is a record of how much you get tipped with credit cards, and you can’t claim less than that. I do try to make it up on days when I get a lot of cash (so does everyone else), but it doesn’t always happen.
[quote]BostonBarrister wrote:
What about tipping on the pre-tax or post-tax total? What do people expect?
It isn’t a huge difference usually, but it annoys me to think that I am expected to tip on the amount (10% in DC) that I am paying the government for the privilege of supporting the local economy.[/quote]
I think most people tip on the post-tax total because it’s the one they pay attention to, but taxes aren’t included as part of my sales (I don’t know if it is like this everywhere), so I don’t have to tip out on them.
[quote]human743 wrote:
cap’nsalty wrote:
human743 wrote:
cap’nsalty wrote:
You’d have to be a cook in an absolute shithole to get paid 7-8 bucks an hour. The cooks at the pizza place I worked at made more than that.
I was a cook about 6 years ago and I was making $10, but I had been there 5 years. Most of the guys made 6-8 dollars. It was a nice restaurant, but it wasn’t in the middle of Chicago. In most towns under 50,000 pop. (Which is most towns) that is pretty standard for a part time temporary gig slingin’ fries or throwin’ pies.
Currently minimum wage in Illinois is $6.50 an hour. I should think they make more than minimum wage these days.
No, it is $6.00 if you are under 18 and it has only been that way for a couple of years. I was referring to what the guys I worked with got paid at the time.
There are also about 284,000,000 people that don’t live in Illinois ( I am aware that other states have higher wages too)[/quote]
I wasn’t saying you were wrong, I was just saying that what you got paid 6 years ago isn’t equivalent to what people get paid today. Secondly, where were you working that you had people under 18 working as cooks? Is that even legal?
I know there are other people who don’t live in Illinois; which is why it’s somewhat complicated. But then again, people living in places where the cost of living is lower probably aren’t making 12 dollars an hour waiting either.
[quote]OneEye wrote:
I personally have to give 1% of my sales (regardless of my tips) to the bartender, 2% to the bussers, and 1% to the food runner if there is one (a food runner “runs” the food from the kitchen to the tables). [/quote]
damn dude out here bussers get 10%, runnners 10%, bar 5% and host 2%. that’s 27%. but whatever, it’s the cost of doing business. personally i used to tip out even more than the required amount and more often than not i’d see my section sat, drinks made, food run, and tables turned before anyone else’s. turn your tables before anyone and you’ve made your money/first in line to get cut. take 30% of the extra tips from the extra covers you did and pay someone to do your sidework and your outta there even earlier. hell the bussers i had used to fight each other to do my sidework !
[quote]OneEye wrote:
More often than not, I’m required to claim more than I actually take home because the computer system won’t let you claim less than your total credit card tips. [/quote]
If you don’t make up the difference in cash, I’m sure you could list the expense of tipping out in your tax return, if you were so inclined.
[quote]swivel wrote:
OneEye wrote:
I personally have to give 1% of my sales (regardless of my tips) to the bartender, 2% to the bussers, and 1% to the food runner if there is one (a food runner “runs” the food from the kitchen to the tables).
damn dude out here bussers get 10%, runnners 10%, bar 5% and host 2%. that’s 27%. but whatever, it’s the cost of doing business. personally i used to tip out even more than the required amount and more often than not i’d see my section sat, drinks made, food run, and tables turned before anyone else’s. turn your tables before anyone and you’ve made your money/first in line to get cut. take 30% of the extra tips from the extra covers you did and pay someone to do your sidework and your outta there even earlier. hell the bussers i had used to fight each other to do my sidework ![/quote]
I find it hard to believe you tip out 27% of your sales. You’d have to average 28% tips to even make money working there. 27% of your tips, I could understand. I tip out 4% of my sales, so if I average 20% tips, I take home 16%. If I sell $250 in food, I tip out $10 no matter if I made $25 in tips that day (in which case I’d only take home $15), or $100. I like the idea of tipping out a percentage of your tips rather than a percentage of sales.
I do tip, but i dont understand why I should? You are getting paid to wait on, you should do your job properly. We dont tip doctors or anyone else, except cabs, and I hate tipping them aswell! Why should I waste my hard earned cash on someone just because they expect it?..However as I said I do tip if a. the waitress is hot b.The waiter/waitress si really nice and makes an effort.
And I totaly agree with the chef, they shold be the ones getting the tip.
If you don’t tip, the SERVER’s service better have been AWFUL. Otherwise, you have no class, and in the instance of those working 2 jobs to support their kids (single mothers, etc…there are lots of them), you’re being a huge asshole. I bet a lot of you guys wouldn’t ever stiff a server if you had worked as one.
Again, this is from my perspective, because where I’m from (Illinois) servers get paid 3.90$/hour.
[quote]Daha wrote:
I do tip, but i dont understand why I should?[/quote]
I believe in England things are different. Servers actually get paid enough and tipping is entirely optional. My wage is roughly equivalent to one British pound per hour, and I don’t even make that once taxes are factored in. Like I said earlier, I made only $2.78 on my last paycheck (about 1.5 pounds) for two weeks of full time. I live off of my tips alone, not my wages.
Most of them are making enough to pay the bills from wages alone. Servers don’t (in the US).