[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
fuck it, I am just going to post what I wrote here, as it seems more relevant.
Here:
Not that I don’t appreciate your stories about getting to the American Dream and all that, but one day you will realize that you are the exception and not the rule. Some guys are just smarter than others, some are more charismatic, and these people will rise to the top.
Unfortunately, that doesn’t do a fucking thing for those of us that are not endowed with these gifts.
The great majority of men fall between a certain IQ, I bet, and a certain range of pay that they make. This is fine…if you are a white male.
The issue, at least in America, is that of the government and the bosses trying tooth and nail to destroy every movement that benifits the greater good- the lassiez faire capitalism that people talk about is the same shit that led directly to slavery, child labor, anti-union sentiment and strikenreaking, the House on Un-American Activities, COINTELPRO, and all the other wonderful things that the ruling class of the government has thrust on the country.
It is powerful men trying to, simply said, get more power.
So the solution is to create a governmental body that’ll manage everything? Who’ll they be accountable to? Wouldn’t it be better to have a very weak government so no one could use it as a club over rivals?
What infuriates me is that if you read any Early American litatuure, this is exactly what the point was of starting thi country- to destroy the hierarchy and make this a country where all men were equal.
Read Crevocuer’s “Letter from an American Farmer”, Jefferson’s “Notes on the State of Virgina”, or anything of Thomas Paine. The intent was to make men truly control their own destiny. This no longer applies.
Our huge government wouldn’t exist unless people voted it in. Why blame capitalists? Do they have more votes than the common people?
What has capitalism got us? The most powerful spot in the world? This is true, but it is now on the backs of the sweatshops that make all the things that Americans buy nowadays. There is an old saying “You can sheer a sheep many times, but skin’em only once”.
Well, we tryed to skin American labor, and they fought back with unions that can be quite powerful. So now, we send everything overseas where people will work for fifteen cents with no bathroom breaks. Do you think these people are retarded? What will happen if these people unionizes, and demand a human pay for their labor?
Where does that leave America, who’s minimum wage is not even enough for an American to remotely live off?
Look, Capital goes where the return is the highest, with minimal risk. If pay is raised in those overseas sweatshops, the return goes down and now NO ONE has a job there. What you are regaling is how capitalism develops 3rd world countries.
What has capitlism gotten us? The super rich, the middle class, and the ghettos. Ironic how the highest ones are predominantly white, while the bottom of the barrel is black.
Racism sucks. It is not cured, however, by welfare-statism, as the last 50 years shows. The ghettos need MORE capitalism, not less.
You can not talk about the rich and the poor without mentioning race. America is a racist country, who’s every aim for the past three hundred years has been keeping blacks down. Every time they organize, and a leader emerges, he is assasinated (iroically). When have you seen a KKK member assasinated? When does someone who supports the establishment get assassinated?
Was Reverend Jackson assassinated? News at 11!
Capitalism has gotten us to the point where cops patrol the white neighborhoods, watching for every black face driving a shot to shit Hond Civic in the wrong place. It leaves the blacks down in the vallies of the cities like Paterson, where legendary housing projects are where whites fear to tread, and the sheriffs avoid.
If a sub-culture rejects middle-class values and consistently votes for a party that is simply using them, how is capitalism to blame?
And then, when the blacks make it to the top, and tell of the hellish world where they have come from, Wal Mart tells them that they won’t carry the records because they are “obscene”. No shit.
What is obscene is that the educational systems in the ghettos are garbage, there is no incentive for them to do better, and they realize that the only way for them to “succeed” is in the drug trade. The Tookie Williams case is an example of this kind of thing. Brutality and physical strength is the measure of men in the poor neighborhoods, not how smart or educated one is (as in the upper classes).
So why are you surprised when they start gangs that makes millions in the drug trade, then commit brutal murders to reinforce their dominance? America has given them no other options.
God gave us each a free will. “I will not kill today.” How hard is that to say?
Sure, crime is easier than calculus. So what? The school (terrible as they are) is there. Did the gang bangers try to get out of ‘the jungle’?
OF course, they could work at McDonald’s and try to work their way out of it. But capitalism is about taking all you can for yourself- so why work at McDonald’s when you can make a grand in a night selling? Capitalism at its finest.
You are confusing anarchy with capitalism. Capitalism requires the ‘rule of law’ to secure investment. This is one reason there is very little investment in places where there is no law – like Patterson or Rwanda.
I attack Conservative all the time for their “head in the sand” mentality. They come back with, “Well I made it” Good for you. Here’s your monument. But very few of you have any idea what is really going on in the streets, and the mentality that the poor have.
Instead of starting wars that suck up billions, why don’t we dump that money into education, and get these kids in the streets educated? Why not get them into college? That is where the good can be done. Not telling everyone to fuck off, when you are (as I am), essentially, a white male who has controlled everything since the inception of civilization.
Women, minorities, and all others who are not white males have started off on the bottom rung since this country was started. Capitalism has done nothing but exagerrate the differences, and make them larger.
Tell it to the soccer mom in her SUV. Tell it to my wife, a tenured prof at a university. If you think women and minorities are worse off under capitalism, then you need to speak to the moms in North Korea, who watch THEIR children die of starvation.
Now, I don’t know if socialism is the answer to the world’s problems. For all I know, it could be an entirely different economic system that rises in the future. But all I can tell you is that if the new economic system doesn’t somehow benefit the moneyed classes, then it will be crushed.
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Except for most of it, good post!!