I see that CT recommended pulsing before bed with a fast protein, like MAG-10. What ever happened to taking a slow protein, like casein, before bed? The casein would last throughout most of the night, when the MAG-10 wouldn’t which I thought would be bad while sleeping.
Can someone(CT) bring me up to date on this pulsing stuff and/vs taking casein or other slow protein before bed? I myself take milk protein isolate before bed, it is more affordable for a college student. Also, most of it is casein, 80% casein and 20% whey.
[quote]S C 0 0 Z E wrote:
I see that CT recommended pulsing before bed with a fast protein, like MAG-10. What ever happened to taking a slow protein, like casein, before bed? The casein would last throughout most of the night, when the MAG-10 wouldn’t which I thought would be bad while sleeping.
Can someone(CT) bring me up to date on this pulsing stuff and/vs taking casein or other slow protein before bed? I myself take milk protein isolate before bed, it is more affordable for a college student. Also, most of it is casein, 80% casein and 20% whey.
Thanks.
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Anabolism is optimized when you have peaks and valley in your blood level of amino acids. A constant blood level is actually anti-anabolic overtime. By utilizing a fast protein before bed you get an anabolic spike from a bout of hyperaminoacidemia, then you get a valley during the night so when you wake up and pulse again you have an even greater amino acid peak which leads to a more important anabolic response. Plus, since you are inactive during the night, the chances for catabolism (muscle breakdown) to occur is non existant, even during the amino acid valley. So before bed is actually the perfect time to pulse.
[quote]padrinho wrote:
so therefore i assume u don’t use any normal Casein powders anymore before bed?[/quote]
I don’t see why you couldn’t use it after the pulse, just like if you were pulsing before a meal. I think the point is that a lot of people use casein before bed because they think their bodies will break down muscle as they sleep, so the slow protein will prevent that.
I think CT is saying that this will not happen as you sleep, and the benefits of the pre-bed pulse on the next day will outweigh those of a casein shake overnight.
[quote]padrinho wrote:
so therefore i assume u don’t use any normal Casein powders anymore before bed?[/quote]
I don’t see why you couldn’t use it after the pulse, just like if you were pulsing before a meal. I think the point is that a lot of people use casein before bed because they think their bodies will break down muscle as they sleep, so the slow protein will prevent that.
I think CT is saying that this will not happen as you sleep, and the benefits of the pre-bed pulse on the next day will outweigh those of a casein shake overnight. [/quote]
Yes, but wouldn’t using the casein after the pulse reduce the “valley” that you would see during the night, thus reducing the intensity of the next peak in the morning?
[quote]padrinho wrote:
so therefore i assume u don’t use any normal Casein powders anymore before bed?[/quote]
I don’t see why you couldn’t use it after the pulse, just like if you were pulsing before a meal. I think the point is that a lot of people use casein before bed because they think their bodies will break down muscle as they sleep, so the slow protein will prevent that.
I think CT is saying that this will not happen as you sleep, and the benefits of the pre-bed pulse on the next day will outweigh those of a casein shake overnight. [/quote]
Yes, but wouldn’t using the casein after the pulse reduce the “valley” that you would see during the night, thus reducing the intensity of the next peak in the morning?[/quote]
If you’re only sleeping a couple hours, probably. I assume the amino acids are out of your system within a few hours of sleep, and your blood amino level would then drop again. This would still allow for hyperaminoacidemia in the morning, but the impact would probably be reduced some.
It weird, it’s been at least two years before MAG-10, where regular casein was said to be the best protein you could take before bed, and now it’s completely different.
[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
Anabolism is optimized when you have peaks and valley in your blood level of amino acids. A constant blood level is actually anti-anabolic overtime. By utilizing a fast protein before bed you get an anabolic spike from a bout of hyperaminoacidemia, then you get a valley during the night so when you wake up and pulse again you have an even greater amino acid peak which leads to a more important anabolic response. Plus, since you are inactive during the night, the chances for catabolism (muscle breakdown) to occur is non existant, even during the amino acid valley. So before bed is actually the perfect time to pulse.[/quote]
Thanks for the response, CT. Would you use anything below hydrolyzed whey protein, in terms of absorption rate, to pulse? If I am correct out of 10 being the fastest, hydrolyzed whey was at an 8 and whey isolate/concentrate was a 5-6 (?). Would it not be ideal to use isolate or concentrate?
Also can someone give me the definition/explain what hyperaminoacidemia is?
[quote]CPerfringens wrote:
It weird, it’s been at least two years before MAG-10, where regular casein was said to be the best protein you could take before bed, and now it’s completely different.[/quote]
Yes, it is weird. Just like taking carbs PWO isn’t the best now either.
Hyperaminoacidemia litterally means high level (hyper-) of aminoacids in blood (-emia). Amino acid are the buildings block that make protein in your muscle. High level of amino acids in the blood gives optimal optimal condition for muscle growth.
[quote]CPerfringens wrote:
Hyperaminoacidemia litterally means high level (hyper-) of aminoacids in blood (-emia). Amino acid are the buildings block that make protein in your muscle. High level of amino acids in the blood gives optimal optimal condition for muscle growth.[/quote]
Thanks, seems like good stuff.
Did CT ever say which proteins will work for pulsing? I know casein hydrolyzed (MAG-10) does and it is what he uses, but would something a little cheaper but still fast absorbed like hydrolyzed whey work? After that comes isolate and concentrate and I’d guess they wouldn’t work as good. ??
[quote]CPerfringens wrote:
Hyperaminoacidemia litterally means high level (hyper-) of aminoacids in blood (-emia). Amino acid are the buildings block that make protein in your muscle. High level of amino acids in the blood gives optimal optimal condition for muscle growth.[/quote]
Thanks, seems like good stuff.
Did CT ever say which proteins will work for pulsing? I know casein hydrolyzed (MAG-10) does and it is what he uses, but would something a little cheaper but still fast absorbed like hydrolyzed whey work? After that comes isolate and concentrate and I’d guess they wouldn’t work as good. ??[/quote]
if “normal” hydrolized whey is cheaper, how much does it cost in the US or CAN ?
the only hydro whey only product i’ve seen lately was the new Platinum Hydro Whey from Optimum nutrition, and it costs hell lot of money, i guess it won’t arrive in europe either… absolutely nobody knows was hydrolized protein powders are over here, so sad
i won’t even mention hydro casein… maybe it will arrive here when i’m a grandfather
[quote]CPerfringens wrote:
Hyperaminoacidemia litterally means high level (hyper-) of aminoacids in blood (-emia). Amino acid are the buildings block that make protein in your muscle. High level of amino acids in the blood gives optimal optimal condition for muscle growth.[/quote]
Thanks, seems like good stuff.
Did CT ever say which proteins will work for pulsing? I know casein hydrolyzed (MAG-10) does and it is what he uses, but would something a little cheaper but still fast absorbed like hydrolyzed whey work? After that comes isolate and concentrate and I’d guess they wouldn’t work as good. ??[/quote]
