Why Obama Won

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[quote]ZEB wrote:<<< If you want to discuss this further PM me.

LOL[/quote]But I can’t PM you or I would have. I said that. Email me @ tiribulus@gmail.com . It’s a utility account I use for testing. I don’t care who has it. I’ll give you my main address from there. That goes for absolutely anybody else too. Or don’t. I’ve got plenty to do and I’m not aching to have anybody’s email address. I’m only trying to find a way to talk away from the public forums in the absence of PM’s if need be. I also have a Tiribulus AOL account from like 12 years ago I use with Pidgin for instant messaging. I don’t care who knows who I am and I am not afraid to talk to anybody one on one. Ever.

I have never once abused anybody’s private info they have given me despite Professor X’s utterly false accusation that he very irresponsibly piggy backed onto Aragorn’s hurtful false accusation. That will soon enough be shown to be exactly the case. I’m giving him another day or two. I keep thinkin I’m gonna get used to these knives in my back, but I never do.

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I wonder if any one got suspicious of a possible smear job from some one that may not like Obama

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I wonder if any one got suspicious of a possible smear job from some one that may not like Obama[/quote]

Mother Jones… Now there is a journalist with integrity.

Yup, not a partisian hack at all.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]H factor wrote:

[quote]Testy1 wrote:
Blah,blah,blah more tough guy talk. I seriously doubt you have ever spoken to anybody’s face like that. Funny, that I am tolerated here but it is you that has retreated to the basement of T-Nation because your bullshit has been called out everywhere else.
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Responding to ZEB is a waste of time. Everyone figures that out eventually. Quit now. He’s a sad, sad figure and a blight on this forum for rational thought. He can’t argue with reason so he attacks. It’s like a defense mechanism for the ignorant. [/quote]

“Everyone”? LOL… you are trying really hard huh? You poor little thing…

H, the fact is since you’ve decided to hang around PWI I’ve been reading some of your posts and laughing at you. Just as Push and the others try to show you the error of your ways you seem to vanish from the threads, and sometimes there’s that threat “Wha boo hoo I’m leaving PWI you guys are mean”. That little girl act is wearing mighty thin around here H. But I must say you do have it down nicely.

Talk to you soon, bye for now Skippy.[/quote]

I’m not going anywhere Zeb, it’s too much fun pointing out your hypocrisy. As for “leaving” threads, I know this may sound crazy but some of our lives DON’T revolve around posting here. I’ve got a job, a fiance, family members, friends. I can’t post 19,000 times and tons of times a day over and over again.

As for leaving threads, you don’t really leave them, you just ignore the statements you know make you look bad. Like in the Election is Over thread. A full ignoring of multiple questions directed right at you. No bother, it was that way in your national debt thread as well. The difference is I may get busy and not get back to a thread or miss something, but when something is directed at me I will respond to it. I won’t shy away from questions. I won’t ignore them to attack the person who asked them. My points may be wrong, but I will try and tell people why I feel the way I feel. And I will be consistent. Your points are not only never wrong, but if they are called out, you will just dismiss the person calling them out. It’s a much easier form of argument.

And if push is your company for the “others” then I’d say I’m in good shape. Most everyone on here has discussed things with me in a mature manner. I’ve seen YOU called out much more than me. It’s interesting you bring him in though. He uses the same tactics. Asks all the questions, ignores all the responses, and won’t answer when asked if he thinks it will make him look bad. It’s beyond obvious in the creationism thread, but very similar to you, he won’t respond.

It’s ok, I know the form of that argument. I will respond when asked things. It’s just my nature. I don’t have anything to hide. I’m not here to coverup my feelings on things. I don’t cheer for any team.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I wonder if any one got suspicious of a possible smear job from some one that may not like Obama[/quote]

Mother Jones… Now there is a journalist with integrity.

Yup, not a partisian hack at all.[/quote]

Lol Mother Jones is about as bad as they come, that said I like the chart. Some people are convinced Obama is everything on that list. Don’t believe my listen to Alex Jones :slight_smile:

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[quote]H factor wrote:
Don’t believe my listen to Alex Jones :)[/quote]

He’s fun. Entertaining.

Plus every once in ahile I like to dream Jones is right, and our government isn’t just that shitty.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]H factor wrote:
Don’t believe my listen to Alex Jones :)[/quote]

He’s fun. Entertaining.

Plus every once in ahile I like to dream Jones is right, and our government isn’t just that shitty. [/quote]

Entertaining in a listen to this psycho kind of way. As a Libertarian these types make us look bad. We get lumped in with the crazies. I’m nowhere near a conspiracy guy who thinks Obama caused hurricane Sandy or setup the Aurora shooting to take my guns or anything else. I’m just for less government in fiscal issues and less government in social issues. We get tied up with anarchists beliefs and wild nut job Obama was created in a factory by Karl Marx years ago types and it dismisses our ideas of less government.

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[quote]H factor wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I wonder if any one got suspicious of a possible smear job from some one that may not like Obama[/quote]

Mother Jones… Now there is a journalist with integrity.

Yup, not a partisian hack at all.[/quote]

Lol Mother Jones is about as bad as they come, that said I like the chart. Some people are convinced Obama is everything on that list. Don’t believe my listen to Alex Jones :)[/quote]

I agree Mother Jones is almost as bad as faux news , I also like the chart

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Interesting article: Mitt Romney Internal Polls: The Numbers That Made Him Think He'd Win | The New Republic

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[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:
Interesting article: Mitt Romney Internal Polls: The Numbers That Made Him Think He'd Win | The New Republic [/quote]

Really excellent article and does shed a lot of light on why the Romney people had such high expectations.

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http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/2012_elections_electoral_college_map.html

When you throw in the final poll average for the swing states (scroll down a bit), it seems odd that the averages were also fooled at more or less the last moment.

Almost a perfect storm, where millions of people all voted for Obama while leading up to the polls they had declared to be voting for Romney or undecided.

I wish I had that $2BB that was spent and could use it creating some meaningful jobs at minimum wage

hehe just being a dick :wink:

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[quote]treco wrote:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/2012_elections_electoral_college_map.html

When you throw in the final poll average for the swing states (scroll down a bit), it seems odd that the averages were also fooled at more or less the last moment.

Almost a perfect storm, where millions of people all voted for Obama while leading up to the polls they had declared to be voting for Romney or undecided.

I wish I had that $2BB that was spent and could use it creating some meaningful jobs at minimum wage

hehe just being a dick ;)[/quote]

If I didn’t know better I would swear there was voter fraud. But I highly doubt anything of that magnitude could have been pulled off at such a level.

Maybe one or two states like Ohio, or Florida. But Romney lost because of more than just those two states.

As you say it was a perfect storm.

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@Treco: I also read the number from Romney’s internal polling, which was also off. Evidence existed that Romney was behind by a stastically meaningful margin going into the election though. I think it’s fair to say it was never really that close in some states where they thought it was, and Obama outperformed in other states (like Colorado where many Obama members thought they would have to outperform to win).

Essentially Silver called it in this article and it held up. Romney supporters demonized him and tried to point out all the flaws in his analysis, but it just didn’t happen that way.

Nate said it in the article. If Romney won the polls HAD to be biased for Obama. You just had too much data to come up for another conclusion.

http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/11/03/nov-2-for-romney-to-win-state-polls-must-be-statistically-biased/

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ZEB - also doubt any have the ability to back up voter fraud, but I could see planned deception such as
Hi swing stater - “are you likely voter and for whom?”, “oh hell yeah, i am looking at romney,” as they mail early ballet for obama on way to democrat phone bank for 3 hr shift.

Not illegal, more like moving all right side pieces on the chess board and then boom grabbing the queen from the left bishop. I mean millions of people all deciding one way right at the last minute???

H factor - see above, but the odd thing is even the polls loved by the dems seemed to swing harder to obama

I didn’t look that closely and with a spreadsheet - why bother? its done.
It (our election process) needs a good bath just like many other things about our governance

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[quote]treco wrote:
ZEB - also doubt any have the ability to back up voter fraud, but I could see planned deception such as
Hi swing stater - “are you likely voter and for whom?”, “oh hell yeah, i am looking at romney,” as they mail early ballet for obama on way to democrat phone bank for 3 hr shift.

Not illegal, more like moving all right side pieces on the chess board and then boom grabbing the queen from the left bishop. I mean millions of people all deciding one way right at the last minute???

H factor - see above, but the odd thing is even the polls loved by the dems seemed to swing harder to obama

I didn’t look that closely and with a spreadsheet - why bother? its done.
It (our election process) needs a good bath just like many other things about our governance [/quote]

If you look on that link on 538 you can see Nate’s collections of state polls going into the election. For the most part, NOTHING was that unexpected. I mean yeah Obama ended up taking Florida when Romney was favored by .07, but that’s about as much of a true tossup as you could ever get. Most of the other battleground states were leaning slightly towards Obama, but definitely likely in his percents when you added the other factors. You can see that for the most part, things were pretty well spot on.

This is why when I was browsing here before the election I was talking about how according to Nate it really wasn’t that close as the Romney supporters hoped. He never had it as a super tight race, and certainly not before the election started. You throw in the way Obama came on late (Romney peaked post first debate in the polling and then the polls were steadily the other way after that and especially late), and you have an election pretty well predicted.

You can also read his article on which polling firms were off the most. Especially damning is Gallup which according to Nate has had three poor elections in a row.

I’ve been following Nate since he used to post on a poker site I still frequent. I don’t know him in real life, but he does know numbers. The state polls pretty much always looked good for Obama and certainly the averages over time looked good for him and late. You can always find analysis saying otherwise (you could find arguments late for McCain winning even), but many places had the election spot on. It’s just the polls tended to be biased…for Mitt Romney of all things.

The state polls never looked good for the guy I voted for (Gary Johnson) lol. :slight_smile:

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Obama won because America has died. We have killed it, you and I, all of us.

We killed it because America demanded that we THINK. It demanded our very best. It demanded the highest integrity and honor.

That was a lot to demand from scum, gang bangers, and park bench dwellers, from crack dealers and drive-by vermin. It was a lot to demand from those who whine and complain because no one would give them free food, free housing, free schools, free this and free that…oh wait!

America demanded that we be MEN and instead we chose to be rats in human form, selling our birthright to any low criminal who promises free birth control and to protect the rights of ILLEGAL aliens.

America…now the land of the scum, the land of the GENUINE wretched refuse of the earth.

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[quote]treco wrote:
ZEB - also doubt any have the ability to back up voter fraud, but I could see planned deception such as
Hi swing stater - “are you likely voter and for whom?”, “oh hell yeah, i am looking at romney,” as they mail early ballet for obama on way to democrat phone bank for 3 hr shift.

Not illegal, more like moving all right side pieces on the chess board and then boom grabbing the queen from the left bishop. I mean millions of people all deciding one way right at the last minute???[/quote]

I doubt that happened.

Sometimes things just don’t swing your way. There are reasons that elections swing one way or the other at the end. This one swung strong for Obama near the end. Things like Hurricane Sandy and the fat one of NJ helped. I’m sure that calling Romney a murderer, tax cheat and animal abuser swayed some of the more weak minded as well…in the end.

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In hindsight I’m quite disappointed Republicans nominated Mitt Romney. Not just because I supported Ron Paul, but because I always thought Romney was a weak candidate to take on the President. You have an uber rich candidate at a time when income inequality is at a bigger issue than most years and populist sentiment was high. One of the biggest issues (Obamacare) was routinely underplayed because the Republican candidate was the architect of it at the state level. It was really hard to buy into some of Romney’s “newfound” conservatism when his old stances were so much the other way. I’m really conservative now doesn’t look as good when you have a history of being the other way.

I was truly disappointed someone else in the Republican Party didn’t step up as the primary field was one of the weaker ones I can ever remember. Most of those weren’t even close to serious candidates and any of the rising stars of the Republican party must have been scared off of the Obama get out the vote machine or thought 2016 was going to be much easier. If I was an establishment Republican Romney would have been my pick as he probably had the most likely chance of winning, but I did think he was a pretty poor candidate for this time. Just the best of a weak field (honestly Bachmann, Santorum, Gingrich, none of these people would have had a chance even against such a weak guy as Obama.

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Obama won because America has died. We have killed it, you and I, all of us.

We killed it because America demanded that we THINK. It demanded our very best. It demanded the highest integrity and honor.

That was a lot to demand from scum, gang bangers, and park bench dwellers, from crack dealers and drive-by vermin. It was a lot to demand from those who whine and complain because no one would give them free food, free housing, free schools, free this and free that…oh wait!

America demanded that we be MEN and instead we chose to be rats in human form, selling our birthright to any low criminal who promises free birth control and to protect the rights of ILLEGAL aliens.

America…now the land of the scum, the land of the GENUINE wretched refuse of the earth.[/quote]

But how do you really feel HH?

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Obama won because America has died. We have killed it, you and I, all of us.

We killed it because America demanded that we THINK. It demanded our very best. It demanded the highest integrity and honor.

That was a lot to demand from scum, gang bangers, and park bench dwellers, from crack dealers and drive-by vermin. It was a lot to demand from those who whine and complain because no one would give them free food, free housing, free schools, free this and free that…oh wait!

America demanded that we be MEN and instead we chose to be rats in human form, selling our birthright to any low criminal who promises free birth control and to protect the rights of ILLEGAL aliens.

America…now the land of the scum, the land of the GENUINE wretched refuse of the earth.[/quote]

No need for the drama Obama was a better choice than Mittens