[quote]groo wrote:
I do think opportunity should be made as equal as possible not condition.[/quote]
Yes, and it is called liberty. Otherwise you are social engineering “fairness” and look how good that worked out for the Russians, Cubans, North Koreans, etc…
There is a cost for everything. You will more likely than not be giving one person a boost at the expense of another.
[quote]groo wrote:
I do think opportunity should be made as equal as possible not condition.[/quote]
Yes, and it is called liberty. Otherwise you are social engineering “fairness” and look how good that worked out for the Russians, Cubans, North Koreans, etc…
There is a cost for everything. You will more likely than not be giving one person a boost at the expense of another.
I could have voted for Romney (not that it matters in Texas) but I’m increasingly uncomftorable with the socially conservative side of the GOP party platform. I would love to say vote the issues and not the party. In local elections, that’s probably a great idea. But at some point yeah, party matters.
I want people free to live how they want, but not expect others to pay for their mistakes. Neither party allows that. Even the third parties don’t; I voted libertarian but I’m not blind enough to think that a hard core absence of government is a great thing (see: Somalia, or any other failed state). I like some environment regulations (even if I think the EPA needs checked) because I want to be able to breath clean air and drink clean water. But they were the closest to my beliefs at this time.
I couldn’t vote Republican this election. Romney’s actual record as a governor didn’t help-he’s the most Obama like Republican I’ve seen-and nor did the fact he supports a lot of the same crap that Obama did that totally pisses me off. They chose a guy who governed as a fairly leftish fellow, but attempted to run as a more conservative one, thus worrying people on all ends of the spectrum. Bad idea.
I wound up voting 3rd party because I can’t remotely claim to sympathize with either main party. It may offend some of the current crop of Republicans but the harder line socially conservative thing is a dead end for the party–and yet they’re still very much clinging to it (at least here locally, and to a large extent in the national party platform).
This isn’t helped by the fact that Republicans aren’t actually fiscally conservative anymore; look at the plans they’ve pushed and they don’t actually fix the damn budget. Neither dems nor repubs want to touch SS, Medicaid, or Medicare, or defense…and without that you can’t really fix the budget.
[quote]groo wrote:
I do think opportunity should be made as equal as possible not condition.[/quote]
Yes, and it is called liberty. Otherwise you are social engineering “fairness” and look how good that worked out for the Russians, Cubans, North Koreans, etc…
There is a cost for everything. You will more likely than not be giving one person a boost at the expense of another.
Page 6. No. That isn’t the case.
Page 8. No, that is not the case.
I agree. We need to cut everything.
Well then you will be wrong in your assertion. This notion is silly.
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At this time we will have to disagree on profit. I am moving currently and I hate typing long stuff on the android. O’ll be back. Lol
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[quote]paulwhite959 wrote:
I want people free to live how they want, but not expect others to pay for their mistakes[/quote]
But therein lies the problem with the many who are social liberals but fiscal conservatives. One cannot go without the other.
Examples:
62% of all new HIV cases are found in the homosexual community. In fact, as a whole gay men have the shortest lifespan of any group. And all of this costs the taxpayers mega bucks!
Having a baby out of wedlock many times means being dependent upon some form of state or federal aid. Cool to have sex and do what you want…but who pays in the long term?
People should be free to smoke pot if they want. Yet, who pays for the increase in automotive accidents, and other “mistakes” made when under the influence? Do people honestly think pot is that much better than alcohol and comes with no societal costs? Please tell me that you are not that naive.
The list is endless at the heart of many of our highest costs is a society of people who think that they can do what they want socially with absolutely no costs to the greater society. It’s almost like we are children who want what we want and damn the consequences.
If we really want to turn this country around financially we will first learn some discipline with our own actions!
[quote]paulwhite959 wrote:
I want people free to live how they want, but not expect others to pay for their mistakes[/quote]
But therein lies the problem with the many who are social liberals but fiscal conservatives. One cannot go without the other.
Examples:
62% of all new HIV cases are found in the homosexual community. In fact, as a whole gay men have the shortest lifespan of any group. And all of this costs the taxpayers mega bucks!
Having a baby out of wedlock many times means being dependent upon some form of state or federal aid. Cool to have sex and do what you want…but who pays in the long term?
People should be free to smoke pot if they want. Yet, who pays for the increase in automotive accidents, and other “mistakes” made when under the influence? Do people honestly think pot is that much better than alcohol and comes with no societal costs? Please tell me that you are not that naive.
The list is endless at the heart of many of our highest costs is a society of people who think that they can do what they want socially with absolutely no costs to the greater society. It’s almost like we are children who want what we want and damn the consequences.
If we really want to turn this country around financially we will first learn some discipline with our own actions![/quote]
Gay men do cost US taxpayers. So do all the true blooded conservative christians in my area. They have kids out of wedlock, many of them are on state or federal aid as well. In fact religious tax exemptions are estimated to cost the U.S. 71 billion a year. When you make pot illegal you don’t stop it, you put it in the hands of drug dealers. Of course it has societal costs, so does obesity? We’d probably save a lot of lives and money by banning fast food. And tobacco. And since you mentioned alcohol that as well. And gambling. Those all have tremendous social costs.
You know what else has societal costs? Increased suicide rates for LGBT youths that come from the bullying and demonizing our society does to them. But who cares right? Wouldn’t want the homos to grow up and cost us!
[quote]paulwhite959 wrote:
I want people free to live how they want, but not expect others to pay for their mistakes[/quote]
But therein lies the problem with the many who are social liberals but fiscal conservatives. One cannot go without the other.
Examples:
62% of all new HIV cases are found in the homosexual community. In fact, as a whole gay men have the shortest lifespan of any group. And all of this costs the taxpayers mega bucks!
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What is the alternative? Criminalize sodomy? (That will stop a whopping 0% of homosexual intercourse going on behind closed doors, by the way.)
On the flip side: I’d bet that if gays were encouraged to marry and even a modest percentage of them did, HIV rates would drop over time.
I’ve found H factor to be good at one thing and one thing alone…stalking me.
If you’re going to stalk me at least try to be more creative, intelligent and generally entertaining. You’re just a transparent juvenile lefty rationalizing bad behavior because it’s fun.
[quote]H factor wrote:
Gay men do cost US taxpayers.[/quote]
Yep…but just try fighting that lobby!
People of all religious groups sometimes act without discipline. Christians are no exception to that rule. Maybe you should back off on your religious bigotry Skippy. I’ve read some of your other hateful posts directed at people of faith. Did the people who raise you forget to give you a dose of class? Back it off a little stalker about 90% of America believes in God.
Ah yes more religious bigotry.
That’s funny I don’t recall an insurance company not wanting to insure someone who eats doughnuts. But if you admit you are a pot user NO INSURANCE FOR YOU. Could be they have something there since they are purely profit motivated. But you can continue to live in your 20 something world. “Duh…it’s fun when you get to get high” Damn the consequences, idiot.
[quote]You know what else has societal costs? Increased suicide rates for LGBT youths that come from the bullying and demonizing our society does to them. But who cares right? Wouldn’t want the homos to grow up and cost us!
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Looks like they cost us either way is that what you’re saying? Hey wait a minute where were all the suicides from bullying gay kids 20 years ago? In fact, where were all the gay kids 20 years ago junior? Society created them and now must deal with them.
Oh by the way I don’t know if I will be posting any more tonight I have some work to do. I just wanted to give you heads up as I know you like looking up my many posts and stalking me from post to post.
[quote]paulwhite959 wrote:
I want people free to live how they want, but not expect others to pay for their mistakes[/quote]
But therein lies the problem with the many who are social liberals but fiscal conservatives. One cannot go without the other.
Examples:
62% of all new HIV cases are found in the homosexual community. In fact, as a whole gay men have the shortest lifespan of any group. And all of this costs the taxpayers mega bucks!
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What is the alternative? Criminalize sodomy? (That will stop a whopping 0% of homosexual intercourse going on behind closed doors, by the way.)
On the flip side: I’d bet that if gays were encouraged to marry and even a modest percentage of them did, HIV rates would drop over time.
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That’s funny smh, but also sad. Most homosexual men even in what they call “committed relationships” also have numerous other sexual encounters. I’ve debated this for hundreds of pages so don’t make me dig out the stats on it you will be embarrassed.
And I’m not suggesting laws against anything. What I’m suggesting is less glorification and embracing.
Behavior that occurred less frequently say 30 years ago is now epidemic. Ask yourself why that is. Then ask yourself if it is good or bad for society.
In 2009, MSM accounted for 61% of new HIV infections in the US and 79% of infections among all newly infected men. Compared with other groups, MSM accounted for the largest numbers of new HIV infections in 2009.
Zeb I really have to give you credit. You’re a consistent hypocrite. You’re not only a hypocrite by apologizing for everything Bush did while he was in office and then criticizing Obama for doing similar things. No, you’re a hypocrite on social issues as well. Gay bigotry? No big deal. Created problem. They cost us money. But you have a huge issue with me apparently attacking religion (which I will not apologize for as gays haven’t been responsible for near the amount of death and turmoil as religion).
But 90% of America believes you say. Remember what 60 million people voted for Obama. Still think it’s cool to follow what everyone else thinks? And church attendance has been steadily declining. Eventually we’re becoming more and more enlightened and less likely to be swindled by the religious peddlers. If it makes you feel better I’m sure you and others believe I will burn eternally in a lake of fire. That has to help you sleep better at night right! Thank God for justice huh?
As usual, grown government is good…as long as it’s the stuff you like. Bigotry is good. As long as it’s bigotry against the people you don’t like.
It doesn’t have to be logical, as long as Zeb believes. And Zeb really believes in a lot of things. Consistency not so much. And you’re consistent by thinking I stalk you. Zeb apparently you stalk everyone. You’re in every thread and have 18,000 posts. It’s good to see you getting off the internet for a while. I know it’s tough to pound out your BS on here day by day, but a little fresh air can really do you good. Just watch out for gays!
The ironic thing is that you actually make your side look WORSE with the way you try and frame your arguments. And FWIW not only have I never smoked pot I never would. I know it would help you to think I’m a liberal pot smoking hippie, but I’m not. Now it might help to picture you as a bitter somewhat older fella who’s pissed off the world isn’t like it was 25 years ago in your heyday, but maybe I’m wrong on that.
[quote]H factor wrote:<<< And church attendance has been steadily declining. >>>[/quote]This is true, but not directly the problem. [quote]H factor wrote:<<< Eventually we’re becoming more and more enlightened and less likely to be swindled by the religious peddlers. >>>[/quote] You really are deluded pal. Enlightened? LOL!! [quote]H factor wrote:<<< If it makes you feel better I’m sure you and others believe I will burn eternally in a lake of fire. >>>[/quote] If you die in your sin? Yes. Will that happen? I don’t know, but I hope not. [quote]H factor wrote:<<< That has to help you sleep better at night right! >>>[/quote] Not me. I want you as my brother in Christ. Sincerely. That is not up to me though. [quote]H factor wrote:<<< Thank God for justice huh? >>>[/quote] Yes. Every knee will bow and tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father. On that day, when the tears of His saints are wiped away forever. He will be praised and worshiped BY ALL for His justice as well as for His mercy. You can give me your predictable scoffing response now.
[quote]H factor wrote:
Zeb I really have to give you credit. You’re a consistent hypocrite. You’re not only a hypocrite by apologizing for everything Bush did while he was in office and then criticizing Obama for doing similar things.[/quote]
Stop right there creepy stalker person. I told you that I disagreed with two specific things that Bush did. So when you say “everything that Bush did” you are quite wrong. If you are going to be a stalker be a good one and go back and read ALL of my posts about Bush, don’t cherry pick Sparky. You will find me in stark disagreement with other conservatives on this board on two specific acts that Bush did as President. Find them or shut up about me defending Bush in everything that he did.
Nor have gays been responsible for near as much help feeding the hungry, sheltering the homeless and a long, long list of other charitable deeds for hundreds of years. But you hold tightly to that religious bigotry role that you play so well. Cling to it creepy stalker person…And don’t let any light in.
Bigotry is apparently good (according to you) when it is against religious people especially Christians. You’re a hateful and very weird person. As for me I pointed out that a lifestyle that causes pain, sickness and death should not be glamorized by the media. That’s where my opinion ends on gays. Don’t like it? LOL I won’t lose any sleep over it punk.
You follow me around this site like a puppy after his master. You have the makings of another Mark David Chapman (google him). Thank God for anonymity or you would show up at my door step. I really wonder what sort of background creepy people like you have.
Posting even 100,000 times isn’t necessarily stalking anyone, but I wouldn’t expect that you would realize this. As I told you it’s called entertainment. Those posts have accumulated over a 10 year period. If you keep posting at the rate you are going and stay on for ten years you will have me beat. But I would appreciate it if all of those posts were not to me.
I know who you are and I’m woefully unimpressed I’ve seen it in some other young brainless males who inhabit this place. You are no different. You offer nothing special. You have no insights that need to be posted and reposted. You are just a piss poor product of whomever raised you. No conscience, no morals and a very creepy stalker mentality. My gosh what went wrong with you? Now run along you have many more of my past posts to read and comment on. You sick little bastard.
Tirb I don’t really want to get in a religious debate. Neither of us are changing each others minds. I view the past 500 years in the world as seeing almost never ending wars because of organized religion and you view it as the path to eternal life. You view God as all knowing, all powerful, and all good. I view him as nonexistent and religion as created by man to control and profit off others. Again, we aren’t going to come to a consensus or even close so agree to disagree.
My original point was Zeb has a problem with religious bigotry, but not bigotry when it comes to gays or racism or anything else. He thinks gays cost taxpayers money and I point out so does religion, big time. All I was doing was pointing out his numerous inconsistencies.
[quote]H factor wrote:
My original point was Zeb has a problem with religious bigotry, but not bigotry when it comes to gays or racism or anything else. He thinks gays cost taxpayers money and I point out so does religion, big time. All I was doing was pointing out his numerous inconsistencies. [/quote]
Racism? When or where did I ever talk about racism in any context? As a creepy little stalker person you should know the answer to this immediately.
As for bigotry toward gays I have none. I employ gay folks (and black folks and all kinds of people because they’re good hard working people) and have given to many charity’s that help those with AIDS. Now what have you done for anyone other than yourself? I could tell you much more but you’re actually not worthy. Further, I don’t think it is a lifestyle to be glamorized by the media. And the average person (that would be you dunder head) has no idea of the pain that many gay people have both physically and mentally, and it has nothing to do with not being accepted by society (see Netherlands for details). Gay folks lead in the rate of STD’s and many other disease’s and emotional ill’s as well. They have a very difficult life. Someday when you grow up you’ll understand—maybe.
