Why Obama Won

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]BrianHanson wrote:

Well if you are right (it’s your opinion so feel free) then you needn’t worry about 2016, it is already in the bag for the Dems, if we could run a shitty campaign with a shitty candidate (and all that money) and still win 330+ electoral votes then you are completely fucked from here on out. Enjoy your political irrelevance.[/quote]

As expected, you couldn’t respond to a substantive post without being a twerp, but in any event, wrong as usual. Parties change, and so do party identifications. Independents left Obama and voted for Romney. The GOP already got a majority of their votes - if the GOP can convert the into proud members, or reliable GOP votes, then the turnout is improved.

Further, the Democratic coalition is fragile, and consists of distinct clientele groups whose interests don’t always align. Imagine what happens if, for example, the GOP starts taking a skepticism of free trade agreements of the kind that private unions don’t support under a “pro-America” banner (which is an easy theme for the GOP) and starts making inroads into traditional, socially conservative trade union-type voters. The Reagan Democrats are still out there - that would be a hell of a dent in the Democratic coalition, even if the GOP gets some, not all, of them.

Stuff like that 2016 will be interesting, for those of us that do something other than view politics with big, dumb, unblinking cow eyes, for example, you. These are important concepts and trends, but you don’t know anything about them, because you are a moronic cheerleader who can’t be bothered.

And one other thing - stop trying to talk trash (“enjoy your political irrelevance”, etc.). You’re not good at it, and you look idiotic.

And, point of reference, the GOP isn’t “mine”, and my fate isn’t theirs. I vote Republican, but not exclusively (far from exclusively), and I am not one of them.

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[quote]Mufasa wrote:

The 2014 Mid-Term Elections could be as interesting as the last one(s).[/quote]

Exactly right. Navel-gazing about the presidential election takes a back seat to, now, governing. There is going to be another fiscal cliff showdown, and soon. And Obama may be trapped - there is momentum for the “grand bargain”, which naturally would have to have massive cuts to entitlements, but Obama’s base, who just delivered him a big victory, believes they are owed some defense on entitlements and that Obama shouldn’t cave.

Obama doesn’t have to worry about re-election - will be be the great liberal “stone wall” his base wants on entitlements? Probably? Maybe? If he does, how will that play with the American electorate, who appears to be ready for a real “grand bargain” and who who kept a Republican House in 2012?

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TBolt,

You are clearly hiding from the numbers that matter, I have said countless times that unless the GOP drops their pointless social agenda and becomes a fiscal responsibility party only, they will continue to fade from view nationally. the fact that you are unwilling to accept this doesn’t make it any less true. the Dems ran a flawed and polarizing candidate and the GOP lost, it doesn’t take a brain surgeon (though clearly someone smarter than you) to see which way the wind is blowing, the GOP can’t beat someone that mobilizes voters AGAINST him, what does that say about the platform they are running? Political parties only have power insomuch as people see them as relevant, the GOP has tried to be so far right on SOCIAL issues that it has managed to alienate people that would vote for their ECONOMIC policies, again you are to fucking dumb to follow this because you think most people are just as brain dead and afraid of differences as you are. in reality white voters (the core of the GOP and their fear based platform) have been shrinking 3% or so each presidential election down to between 72-74% this year, while black and latino voters have increased each election, this trend will continue through the next election as well. DO me a favor, don’t change, keep courting your core constituents and watch your votes disappear.

FYI- Romney won the white vote by 30%, the same as Reagan did in 1980 when he whipped Carters ass, but Romney lost, I wonder why.

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[quote]BrianHanson wrote:

You are clearly hiding from the numbers that matter, I have said countless times that unless the GOP drops their pointless social agenda and becomes a fiscal responsibility party only, they will continue to fade from view nationally.[/quote]

That is not a function of numbers, Einstein, that is a prediction on your part based on a policy switch. Romney actually won the majority of young white voters, which based on the “social issues”, he should have lost (because they are young).

The actual “numbers” issue is the number of reliable Democrats who turn out to vote, and the GOP doesn’t have them. Now, how the GOP grows its numbers is exactly what I have been discussing, genius, and what that should tell you is that I am not “hiding from numbers” - I am analyzing and suggesting ways that the GOP grow its numbers. Assuming you can read, that is what I have been writing. Apologies for assuming you can read.

The idea that social issues lost the GOP the election is brainless reductionism - if that were true, then the time between the GOP’s overwhelming House vitory in 2010 and the Obama victory in 2012 saw a massive change in public opinion on social issues. That could be the only explanation, as social issues didn’t prevent the most “conservative” House in a generation from being put into place into 2010, and people would have suddenly changed their minds on the importance of this stuff in two years.

Of course not. Since 2008, the GOP has actually seen increased party identification at various spurts. Just not enough to beat the Democratic party identification.

Get better at this. It would make this more interesting.

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Nevermind not worth it

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Nevermind not worth it

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Nevermind not worth it

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God you have zero tact…

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[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
That is not a function of numbers, Einstein, that is a prediction on your part based on a policy switch. Romney actually won the majority of young white voters…[/quote]

And, white women. This is a matter of minorities, and what the government represents to them. That is, the government has an important roll in promoting fairness and relieving poverty. Fairness in entering employment, college, etc. Fairness in outcome. And then, poverty programs.

So no, ‘fiscal conservatism’ lost this election, if anything did. Libertarian talk about employment laws. About access to college (affirmative action type programs). Libertarian talk about tearing down the nanny state.

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And that’s not a blame minorities post. That’s a time to get to understand their concerns post. Put some things off for the distant future. And try to win them over to your philosophy.

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Nevermind not worth it

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Could you please consider training your yodeling skills on a yodeling website ?

Feel free to take HeadHunter with you.

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[quote]Sloth wrote:

No sir. We all are.
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This is why all the talk of “the GOP is dead” is silly. Fiscal issues will prevail in the end, because if the country is broke and selling Washington State to Canada, who you can marry is irrelevant.

Tea Party political maturity would help though. I really like the ideals, but some of the grass roots are foaming at the mouth and refuse to budge. They need to get along to go along at some things.

The government is designed to force compromise and settling on the best deal for everyone. That means you have to give to get.

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[quote]VTBalla34 wrote:
Nevermind not worth it[/quote]

Didn’t you say you were leaving a couple hours ago?

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Speaking of Tea Party, Allen West fighting the good fight.

He was re-district-ed right out of office…

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:
Speaking of Tea Party, Allen West fighting the good fight.

He was re-district-ed right out of office…

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We lost a good man when he went down. But, I wager he’ll be back.