[quote]Patriarch wrote:
mthomps wrote:
. . . so I told her I’d find sources that prove my point…that and because shes had more schooling than me she automaticly thinks shes right.
Anyone that can help me dig up all the stuff is A ok in my book. 
Do a search for some of Alwyn Cosgrove’s stuff (after burner, etc.). Maybe check out his website.
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http://www.figureathlete.com/article/training/step_away_from_the_treadmill&cr=
Partriarch is right on. Here is article from FA with Cosgrove as a contributor. It also lists where it was sourced.
[quote]frederickson wrote:
mthomps wrote:
She’s in med school to be a doctor so I told her I’d find sources that prove my point…that and because shes had more schooling than me she automaticly thinks shes right.
that is what gets me the most… as if they teach you a damn thing about exercise and nutrition in medical school.
i am in a phd program at a medical school with a bunch of phd/md students and md’s on faculty and they are all clueless when it comes to the subject. law students have a bunch of schooling as well, and that is just about as meaningful as medical school when it comes to exercise and nutrition. it is simply not a big part of the curriculum in any allopathic medical school.
i am going to try to dig up some studies for you as people like this chick piss me off. but off the top of my head, i always thought compound exercises like squats, lunges, deadlifts, pullups burned more calories in less time than cardio and built muscle which ultimately would lead to favorable metabolic changes. furthermore, i would think the transient release of testosterone and other hormones with a positive effect is greater in strength training than cardio.[/quote]
Thank you for taking the time to do that. Yeah, after talking to her for a little while it became obvious to me as well. What works for excersise and nutrition goals really aren’t emphasized in undergrad and graduate level programs. This is one of the many reasons I absolutely loathe structured education.
The kicker here is, she can be classified as being fat. She’s always running and using elliptical machines. Her only arguments are that fat people cant and dont know how to lift weights and dont have the info available to know what to do, AND, that cardio burns more calories.
My response to her first statement is that in order to have an above average body (considering that out of shape is the norm nowadays) you need to be somewhat of an above average person and get off your lazy ass and inform yourself. Then correct the physiology of your body to get yourself to the point where you CAN do those lifts such as squats and deadlifts and presses.
I’ve already stated my argument to her second statement, I believe.
[quote]ComixGuy wrote:
Patriarch wrote:
mthomps wrote:
. . . so I told her I’d find sources that prove my point…that and because shes had more schooling than me she automaticly thinks shes right.
Anyone that can help me dig up all the stuff is A ok in my book.
Do a search for some of Alwyn Cosgrove’s stuff (after burner, etc.). Maybe check out his website.
http://www.figureathlete.com/article/training/step_away_from_the_treadmill&cr=
Partriarch is right on. Here is article from FA with Cosgrove as a contributor. It also lists where it was sourced.
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Excellent excellent stuff. Cheers, my good man. I’ll be linking her shortly
Last time I checked, lifting weights got my blood moving and my heart beating faster. So can’t you make the argument that you can become “cardiovascularly fit” via lifting weights?
Don’t tell me that those guys in Strongman competitions don’t have any endurance!
I also want to point out from a physique standpoint, take a look around the gym. Look at the people on the treadmills/cardio equipment. Then look at the people in the weight room. Who looks better most of the time?
[quote]mthomps wrote:
I got into a debate today with a girl about weather or not lifting weights is a better way to get yourself in shape than running on a treadmill. Her arguments were pretty much the standard b.s. you hear when the topic is brought up.
I think I explained my argument pretty well, but I’ve forgotten alot of the details since I first learnt myself. She’s in med school to be a doctor so I told her I’d find sources that prove my point…that and because shes had more schooling than me she automaticly thinks shes right.
Anyone that can help me dig up all the stuff is A ok in my book. :-)[/quote]
I think that you are looking for information on EPOC (Excess post-exercise oxygen consumption). This seems to be the main process that makes weight training a more metabolic process than steady-state cardio.
Here is an article to start your research with.
http://www.T-Nation.com/readArticle.do?id=1526539
Also, you can do a search on EPOC and find more info on it.