Why is it considered a limited approach? It’s not such a bad option to get to 2.5./3 times bodyweight etc for a lightweight/middleweight.
I imagine no one uses it because it is not effective.
And you will have to permit my circular logic, but if it were effective, I imagine we would see SOME people using it somewhere, no?
There is simply no real benefit to training that way vs not.
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Surely you have more energy to devote to the lifts rather than wasting it on smaller assistances exercises ( I am not implying that’s always the case but forearm and bicep exercise and other junk exercises just deplete your energy .
Personally I don’t train the big 3 but neither do I think it is a mistake , as it shows people what they can achieve .It is only when they stall that they should use assistance exercises and seldom junk /bb exercises especially if shorter and stocky.
Can you name any short or stocky lifter that has used this approach successfully?
Honestly, if you are “wasting energy” with assistance work, that trainee is most likely fat rather than stocky. Getting their work capacity up would go far.
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If you dont than why debate it?
So did you use to train them?
Well I am both fat and stocky. I don’t think my work capacity is that bad. Obviously I am not a high level lifter . If I got the fat off it would be close to 3 bw dead. You did say ‘you’.
Curious what is your current deadlift and body weight? Wait you just said you dont train the Big 3
250lb bw 530lb not great I know it is about 2bw . But the fat misrepresents it.
18 stone bw. I do very little assistance work apart from variations of the OL lifts ( mostly clean and snatch pulls). I keep a log here at tnation.
What in the world is this thread about? I’m genuinely confused. Is the topic at hand ‘only using the big 3’, ‘using the big 3 with very limited assistance work’ or ‘focusing on the big 3 but employing a variety of assistance lifts’? I would say that I focus on the big 3 a great deal, and I believe that has built a very strong base for me that has helped me transition to strongman. Focusing on the big 3 makes plenty of sense, and is probably imperative if you compete in powerlifting. But assistance work is obviously critical as well, and your assistance work should make sense for your goals.
Everything I just said seems fairly intuitive. Where is the dissension here?
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That right there!
I think getting the fat off would be a great idea.
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yeah, dude. I know…
I love that somehow in this guy’s world, the fat doesn’t count. I wanna go into a powerlifting meet and claim a different weight class because some of my body is fat, and if I didn’t have it, I’d have better strength to weight ratios.
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How tall are you man?
5 foot five .
It’s true I would be stronger I’ll get down to your weight and show you (circa 90kg). Out of interest what’s your deadlift. I think 600lb and 200lb is achievable this year without steroids, as I am losing leverage
Some people can get big doing bodyweight exercises. Some people can get big doing all kinds of wonky stuff. But I think the “Big 3” have lead to more success for a vast majority of lifters.
this is such a stupid fucking thread.
No one has ever questioned the value of the squat, bench and deadlift.
This is naught but the newest in a long line of retarded threads here.
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How long did it take you to get to 530? Not trying to be rude, but the likelyhood of you dropping 50 pounds while simultaneously adding 70 to your deadlift is really unlikely man. Just focus on getting your weight down and your dead up. Not poundages, but just weight down and lifts up. If I were you, I’d focus more on the weight though. 250 at 5’5" is pretty fucking fat man.
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My best deadlift was like 625 last year. It’s high 500’s right now.
I don’t like being negative generally, but this is dumb.
You’re not going to drop 50 lbs of bodyweight this year, AND add 70 lbs on your deadlift. I hope you do, it just isn’t likely at all.
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