Why Is Denial of Racism a Right Wing Issue In the West?

Well, as I’ve said several times, the West has been thoroughly wimped down. Many men in the complain about problems they created from mass simping.

For a long time the West had enforced sexual regulation, didn’t coddle criminals, and had capital and corporal punishment (including flogging, the stocks, tarring and feathering, scold’s bridle, etc.), both of which horrify many today.

England made liberal use of the death penalty, used it for adultery, and allowed revenge killing for male homewreckers.

Though I’m not a typical conservative, several years ago I proposed criminalization of adulterers and aliens of affection (though not execution) and some thought this was horrible. One guy, though a nice guy, even said that was terrifying, and he was serious.

I also believe there should be penalties for production of pornography.

Of course my views are unpopular but I accept that.

Polygamy causes serious social problems. One of the reasons there are so many disgruntled men in the US today is because of a goofy, quasi-polygamy (not a serious form of it) and rotating polyandry.

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This needed to be stated. Sad but true.

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This is true but Islamofascism is not the answer. It’s a perverse expression of masculinity that creates its own type of cowardly men. The liberal use of violence and oppression against the weak and the helpless is not manly.

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Extreme measures for extreme times

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Liberal “men” are weak angry and spiteful… its their revenge

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I think they’re the product of mothers who raised them to be that way out of revenge.

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Lol islamofascism. What a neocon idiot phrase. And coming from a guy who literally supports fascism and fascisf italy. Shouldnt you love islam? Hitler and Evola, Gentile the guy who created the fazcist ideology kept talking about how based and right wing it was.

Theres a reason judaism allows jews to pray in a mosque but forbids them to pray in a church. Christianity is polytheistic, its the worship of man as God.It says God could die.

Jews are still religious (actual jews not apostates) precisely because they reject polytheism and all of the western degeneracy stems from worship of other than God.

Weve seen the west returning to its roots, greeks, romans, european glory of the past came from people who worshipped idols, practised boy love, engages in homosexuality and polyamory. Open gender bending and prostitution.

Christianity was presented as monotheism but at itz core its pagan. As christianity died off that facade of monotheism started to peel away and Europe is heading back to its classical moral values.

Now we unironically have people like the ones in this thread who think individualism, free trade, tolerance of gays adulterers and democracy are “conservative values” lol.

The Taliban are more conservative than gay tights supporting, tranny affirming, filandering conman donald trump could ever pretend to be.

But yhey love trump and hate the taliban for being too mean to adulterers and homosexuals. At this point cobservatives are abouf as right wing as protosocialists from yhe frsnch revolution.

The fact you think lifting more weight than someone else makes you more of a man is rather silly.

I wouldn’t say I’m more of a man than you because I would make you go to sleep or that Marine is more of a man because he would beat you into a coma.

I think you just proved it for him.

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Hitler did.

One more subject you are ignorant about.

Vs worshipping a rock.

Apparently, you’ve not been to the Middle East.

Again, see above. What’s the expression you’ll hear in the ME? Boys are for pleasure, women are for children?

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No it doesn’t. This is the Islamic interpretation of Christianity as Islam tries to position itself as the “true” religion.

Jews don’t pray in Christian churches because they don’t accept Jesus as the 2nd coming, which they’re still anticipating.

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I don’t think @marine77 ever meant ‘physically’ weak. I believe it was a state of mind he was referring to. Regardless, blanket derogatory statements are not productive to the conversation. Respect to your parents BTW for their hard work ethic. I wish that attitude was still prevalent.

I agree with you that it isn’t polytheistic, or at least not in the way grool describes (the three can be thought of as one).

I think there are at least a few biblical scholars out there that label the old testament as Henotheism. Henotheism would be the worship of one god while acknowledging others exist. The old testament does seem to acknowledge other gods such as Baal (among others). Even the first commandment seems to indicate that there are other gods “thou shall have no other gods before me”. There is a lot in the OT saying that these other gods are lesser and not to be worshiped (Psalms has lots of examples). Not much saying outright that these gods don’t exist.

It’s my understanding that when using the original language “gods” translates to idols more so than actual entities, and certain nuances are lost in translation considering, but I’m definitely not a Bible scholar.

My take is all Mesopotamian religions are offshoots of Zoroastrianism and the Sumerians anyways, with adaptations made to fit each unique but not so unique culture. And Christianity is Judaism, but accepts Christ as the second coming.

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I think it was Paul, I believe, who first put forward the notion that Jesus was the divine son of God and not a man. Prior to that, Jesus was not considered the literal son of God. But this is a subject which has nothing to do with Grool standing by while his wife gets assaulted by David Duke.

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And eating shellfish.

I think this is a popular understanding. One I had. TBH, I am not sure what is the answer. I was more so just pointing out that I don’t believe there is a consensus on the matter. The experts disagree with each other.

Sure. And pork. The new law overriding the old law.

Yeah, there will never be a consensus. I do think if one cared enough, it would be important to read the text in question with a thorough translation explanation along the way though. I’m willing to bet it would eliminate many points of contention, one way or the other.

I just wish we could find the “magic” and “magi” the Bible also talks about. I would love to learn some real spells.

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Jews dont pray in churches because christianity is a pagan religion according to judaism where as Islam is a monotheistic one. This is basic jewish belief it takes 2 minutes to find on any jewish jurisprudential site.

Always fubny seeing anyi muslim pro jewish “conservatives” find out what jews think of them v muslims lol.

Is a Jew Permitted to Enter a Mosque or Church in a Case of Great Need?
Question: May a Jew enter a mosque or church when there is a need to do so or to visit there as a tourist attraction?

Answer: The great Rambam in his commentary on the Mishnah Masechet Avodah Zarah (Chapter One) deduces from the words of the Mishnah there regarding an actual house of idol worship “that we are almost forbidden to look at it, let alone enter it.” The words of the Rambam are quoted as Halacha by the Shach (Yoreh De’ah, Chapter 149) as well as the other Acharonim (ibid). The Tosafot in Masechet Avodah Zarah (17b) deduce from the Gemara (ibid.) that one must distance himself even from the entrance of a house of idol worship as much as possible. Similarly, Maran Ha’Shulchan Aruch in Yoreh De’ah (Chapter 150, Section 1) rules that there is a Mitzvah to distance one’s self four Amot (approximately 6.5 feet) from a path of idol worship. Thus, if one is walking close to a house of idol worship, such as a church, one should distance himself at least four Amot from the entrance to this place, for it is well-known that Christian churches are considered houses of idol worship as they believe in another deity besides for Hashem. If so, it is certainly forbidden to actually enter their churches, for they are actual houses of idol worship.

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Is a Jew Permitted to Enter a Mosque or Church in a Case of Great Need?
Question: May a Jew enter a mosque or church when there is a need to do so or to visit there as a tourist attraction?

Answer: The great Rambam in his commentary on the Mishnah Masechet Avodah Zarah (Chapter One) deduces from the words of the Mishnah there regarding an actual house of idol worship “that we are almost forbidden to look at it, let alone enter it.” The words of the Rambam are quoted as Halacha by the Shach (Yoreh De’ah, Chapter 149) as well as the other Acharonim (ibid). The Tosafot in Masechet Avodah Zarah (17b) deduce from the Gemara (ibid.) that one must distance himself even from the entrance of a house of idol worship as much as possible. Similarly, Maran Ha’Shulchan Aruch in Yoreh De’ah (Chapter 150, Section 1) rules that there is a Mitzvah to distance one’s self four Amot (approximately 6.5 feet) from a path of idol worship. Thus, if one is walking close to a house of idol worship, such as a church, one should distance himself at least four Amot from the entrance to this place, for it is well-known that Christian churches are considered houses of idol worship as they believe in another deity besides for Hashem. If so, it is certainly forbidden to actually enter their churches, for they are actual houses of idol worship.

The Evil Spirit Found in Houses of Idol Worship
Besides for the halachic prohibition to enter a church, Hagaon Harav Chaim Palagi writes in his Responsa Chaim Be’Yad (Chapter 26) that when one enters a church, a spirit of heresy immediately cleaves to him; even if it does not cause one to sin, nevertheless, one impurifies himself just by entering such a place. This is especially true when the one who enters this place is a member of the holy Jewish nation to whom the forces of impurity cling strongly. One who enters a house of idol worship requires repentance and atonement for one’s sin.

Based on this, it is clear that it is forbidden to enter a Christian church, for a church is a house of idol worship, as we have explained.

The Practice of Maran Harav zt”l While Serving as a Rabbi in Egypt
While Maran Rabbeinu Ovadia Yosef zt”l served as a Rabbi and Av Bet Din (head of the rabbinical court) in Egypt in the year 5708 (1948), he also served as Assistant Chief Rabbi of Egypt. The post of Chief Rabbi was held by a man by the name of Chaim Nachum Afandi who was close to the king of Egypt, a member of the Egyptian parliament in Cairo, and a member of the Academy of the Arabic Language, and was thus chosen for this position. During this period, a certain well-respected Christian diplomat passed away in Egypt and the government invited the country’s Chief Rabbi to represent the Chief Rabbinate and participate in the funeral services. Since the Chief Rabbi was in a weakened state, he requested that Maran zt”l attend the funeral in his place. When Maran zt”l heard that it was customary for all to file into the church where the deceased lay and listen to Christian prayers and the like, he notified the Chief Rabbi that under no circumstances would he agree to enter the church. The Chief Rabbi exerted much pressure on Maran zt”l to agree to go, for if no representative of the Chief Rabbinate would be present, this might cause a serious diplomatic incident to ensue. Nevertheless, Maran zt”l disagreed with his stance and claimed that, on the contrary, the participation of a rabbi at such an event is an unparalleled desecration of Hashem’s name and a disgrace of the Jewish religion in the eyes of the non-Jewish nations. He thus remained steadfast in his convictions and no representative of the Chief Rabbinate attended the funeral. Note: No fall-out ever resulted.

Installing Air Conditioners in a Church
Similarly, several years before his passing, we had asked Maran zt”l about an individual whose profession was installing air conditioning units who had just signed a large contract to install hundreds of air conditioners. Included in the deal was installing air conditioners in a church. He inquired whether he may continue his work or must he cancel the deal and as a result, incur a hefty financial loss as he would need to pay for penalties sustained. Maran zt”l answered that he may continue with his work on the condition that he himself would not enter the church; rather, his non-Jewish workers would have to install the air conditioners there. Maran zt”l added that he himself should not instruct the non-Jews to enter the church; rather, he should tell another non-Jew to hire him some non-Jewish workers and install the air conditioners. (He continues to provide copious sources for his view as is the practice of Maran zt”l. Unfortunately, we cannot discuss these reasons at length.)

Entering a Muslim Mosque
Regarding entering a mosque, the Rambam explains in one of his responses that Ishmaelites are not considered idol-worshippers since they believe in Hashem and there is no denial of Hashem in their religion or anything else that should cause them to be considered idol-worshippers. We are therefore lenient and sell our lands in Israel to Muslims during the Shemitta (Sabbatical) year based on the “Heter Mechira” process although it is forbidden to sell land in Eretz Yisrael to an idol-worshipper; this is because Muslims are not considered idol-worshippers. Based on this, mosques are not considered actual houses of idol worship and one may enter them according to the letter of the law.

Summary: It is absolutely forbidden to enter a house of idol worship. Included in this prohibition is entering a Christian church or other kinds of houses of idol worship in the Far East. Nevertheless, there is no halachic prohibition to enter an Muslim mosque; this is especially true when this is being done in order to pray there, such as at the graves of our forefathers in the Machpela Cave in Hebron.