[quote]pookie wrote:
Plugging you ears and screaming “la-la-la we do good-good-good!” is not a very convincing argument though.
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You’d be surprised. Here in Japan a few years ago there was a TV commercial for a loanshark company’s cash machine. The machine was called Mujin-kun (“Mr. Uninhabited”), and it offered the novel convenience of being able to borrow a few hundred thousand yen from the yakuza loansharks without the shame of somebody (like a loan officer) seeing you or knowing your name.
Anyway, the commercials for this machine featured a bunch of silver-faced alien guys, one of whom invariably runs out of money at the hostess bar, or at karaoke, or at some typically Japanese night spot. He goes to Mujin-kun, and the day is saved. The commercials ended with the tag line, “La-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la Mujin-kun!” sung in a metallic, alien sounding monotone.
This tag line was deemed so effective that it eventually had to be banned by the Japanese FCC because it was unfair to the other loanshark companies. True story.
So who knows? If a Christian organization put out a commercial in Japan with the tag line “La-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la we do good!” there might suddenly be millions of new converts to Christ.
I don’t understand why you can’t be muslim because of specific women’s clothing.
It’s respect for the religion, and people have to respect that.
Islam promotes peace and modesty. I know that there are radical Muslims who commit bad acts, but it is such a small fraction of the people, and it is not relative to the religion as a whole. No religion is perfect, every religion has good and bad.
You should read about Islam and its practices. It is a very good religion. I am Muslim so feel free to ask me any questions if you’d like.
[quote]tmoney1 wrote:
I don’t understand why you can’t be muslim because of specific women’s clothing.
It’s respect for the religion, and people have to respect that.
Islam promotes peace and modesty. I know that there are radical Muslims who commit bad acts, but it is such a small fraction of the people, and it is not relative to the religion as a whole. No religion is perfect, every religion has good and bad.
You should read about Islam and its practices. It is a very good religion. I am Muslim so feel free to ask me any questions if you’d like.[/quote]
“When you find figures, then you can say this as loud and as often as we have patience. Until then it is personal opinion.” Are you suggesting the elimination of all religion or arguing against the hijacking of those people of faith, twisting of ideology and use of the people of faith for another agenda? If it is the later I agree with you. But I don’t think it is all as bad as you make it out to be.
I never claimed they were angels. You are misrepresenting my statements. But I do disagree with the equivalence that you made above.
I never claimed that they were perfect but the good acts that they do does place those acts above those of lesser good or those that are evil. To do unto others as you would have them do unto you does increase the amount of good and it is a philosophy of good. True Christians will try, and struggle, to live up to this Christ-like ideal. I think it is a good ideal.
[quote]pickapeck wrote:
True Christians will try, and struggle, to live up to this Christ-like ideal. I think it is a good ideal.[/quote]
Too bad we don’t know the original ideal. The bible has had many revisions. The Christ like ideal has been skewed to say whatever the various editors have wanted.
Whether to “improve” upon the original words or to use it for their own gain. Church hierarchy anyone?
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
pookie wrote:
Plugging you ears and screaming “la-la-la we do good-good-good!” is not a very convincing argument though.
You’d be surprised. Here in Japan a few years ago there was a TV commercial for a loanshark company’s cash machine. The machine was called Mujin-kun (“Mr. Uninhabited”), and it offered the novel convenience of being able to borrow a few hundred thousand yen from the yakuza loansharks without the shame of somebody (like a loan officer) seeing you or knowing your name.
Anyway, the commercials for this machine featured a bunch of silver-faced alien guys, one of whom invariably runs out of money at the hostess bar, or at karaoke, or at some typically Japanese night spot. He goes to Mujin-kun, and the day is saved. The commercials ended with the tag line, “La-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la Mujin-kun!” sung in a metallic, alien sounding monotone.
This tag line was deemed so effective that it eventually had to be banned by the Japanese FCC because it was unfair to the other loanshark companies. True story.
So who knows? If a Christian organization put out a commercial in Japan with the tag line “La-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la we do good!” there might suddenly be millions of new converts to Christ.[/quote]
That’s hilarious. I wish I could rep you!! Great story.
Quoting myself more completely [quote] To do unto others as you would have them do unto you does increase the amount of good and it is a philosophy of good. True Christians will try, and struggle, to live up to this Christ-like ideal. I think it is a good ideal.[/quote]
The Golden Rule is a pretty good rule in any version in the Gospels, Matthew 7:12, Luke 6:31, Luke 10:25. You are implying that the Golden Rule, Do unto others… was somehow corrupted. You are so anti-Christian it is disturbing.
[quote]skor wrote:
tmoney1 wrote:
I don’t understand why you can’t be muslim because of specific women’s clothing.
It’s respect for the religion, and people have to respect that.
Islam promotes peace and modesty. I know that there are radical Muslims who commit bad acts, but it is such a small fraction of the people, and it is not relative to the religion as a whole. No religion is perfect, every religion has good and bad.
You should read about Islam and its practices. It is a very good religion. I am Muslim so feel free to ask me any questions if you’d like.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
pookie wrote:
lixy wrote:
The human body, for example, is an amazing machine that is pretty close to perfection.
Close to perfection? I think any numbers of engineer could design much better body if they had the chance.
Have you seen what engineers come up with? Nothing that compares to a well formed female human body! [/quote]
I don’t know what pookie was on when he said that any number of engineers could design something better than the human body. He might have been thinking about the Shakespearian monkeys. Thanks for backing me up on that one.
You mean that women should go around naked? I see four problems with that.
It’ll dramatically increase the rape figures.
Ever seen a fat chick naked? Not everybody takes good care of their bodies.
It will alienated men even more than they already are.
Ultimately, after a few months of constantly being stiffed up, men will adapt to the condition by decreasing output of Testosterone.
[quote]tmoney1 wrote:
I don’t understand why you can’t be muslim because of specific women’s clothing.[/quote]
I think everytime they see these kind of clothing, they assume that men imposed it on the women. It should be noted that most Muslim women in Afghanistan or Saudi Arabia are a infinitely tiny portion of the Muslim community and that most women cover up out of choice.
I have one. Seeing that you’re in the US and all the antagonism I see towards Islam comes from north Americans, how do you explain the absence of peaceful Muslims on US mainstream media?
[quote]lixy wrote:
I have one. Seeing that you’re in the US and all the antagonism I see towards Islam comes from north Americans, how do you explain the absence of peaceful Muslims on US mainstream media? [/quote]
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
lixy wrote:
I have one. Seeing that you’re in the US and all the antagonism I see towards Islam comes from north Americans, how do you explain the absence of peaceful Muslims on US mainstream media?
[quote]brucevangeorge wrote:
Varqanir wrote:
Lixy, isn’t there an Arabic proverb that goes something like “a beautiful woman is proof of the existence of God”?
What about pretty men? Like metrosexuals, drag queens and such?[/quote]
There is indeed a proverb that in essence states what Varqanir said.
Women have an equivalent for handsome men. However, Arab women in general are more drawn to the virile rugged type than the effiminates that seem so common nowadays.
[quote]pickapeck wrote:
Now you have brought up birth control and accused me of avoiding that issue. Do you realize that is the first time the words “birth control” have entered into our discussion?[/quote]
No, it’s the second time. I mentioned it the first time I brought up Africa. You replied to the paragraph, but skipped the issue. Go to page 4 and search for “This is a very cynical view.” which is where you reply to (well, ignore) my first mention of Africa and birth control.
My basic point here is that Christians do not, as far as I can tell, do more good works than other non-religious organizations. Hence, defending religion on that basis is unfounded.
The second part of my point is that because the Church and the various sects have rigid views on some topics (birth control being one of them for the Catholic Church) some decisions are informed by dogma instead of compassion, understanding and knowledge; and that leads to conclusion and positions that increase misery and suffering for many people.
The pedophile issues does not really interest me. I commented on it after you brought it up. I still find the lack of outrage from most Catholics rather troubling.
[quote]lixy wrote:
I don’t know what pookie was on when he said that any number of engineers could design something better than the human body. He might have been thinking about the Shakespearian monkeys. Thanks for backing me up on that one.[/quote]
I think Zap’s point was to make a joke, more than to back you up.
If you think the human body is perfect, I guess that’ll wrap things up. There’s not much more we can discuss if we’re that far apart on the conclusion we reach from looking at the “design” of the human body.
Not much point in discussing an intangible, invisible god if we can’t agree on human bodies to start with.