Why Drive > 80mph?

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Molotov_Coktease wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:

I really don’t care about the intention of your post. It just read like another nonrider telling tales of danger.

We all know how dangerous it is. Many of us have lost friends to riding and we choose to ride anyway.

We are weary of the topic, especially from nonriders.

Amen.

Oops, was that support of “straw man”? Why do people who fuck up in debate love that word so much?

Perhaps the underdog uses that in a debate to point out how others can be so offbase and just out to appeal to the masses they know will support their easy and popular notions of unoriginality. You cannot debunk my mind by such tactics of bollocks. You are inferior. Fuck. Off.

Wait…you are the underdog now? I thought that would be the guy riding the motorcycle since popular opinion has deemed them ‘unsafe’. What about this makes you an “underdog”?

My nuts tell me to tell you that they are not inferior and neither is the guy they are attached to.[/quote]

I am the underdog in this forum, where you have chosen to exploit me yes. You choose to play the discriminated against now… not surprising really. Almost natural feeling perhaps. As for your nuts…well…I hope they shrivel up. Not worth listening to thats for sure.

Cheers

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Molotov_Coktease wrote:
…

, because youre a punk ass sycophant yap dog so shut the fuck up.

You know me so well.

Why would a rider say?

Molotov_Coktease wrote:

Even still, I’m not against motorcycles…I’ve often found myself longing for the freedom they enjoy. …

Sounds like the statement of a nonrider.[/quote]

Finally you read my post. Well done Zap bonehead Branigan. Do I have to say every event in my life here … honestly? Screw that…I found myself longing for it, and did just that for months…with boyfriends who rode and did the same. Who cares. Its all down to me to reconcile in my mind things that occur isnt it. Not down to you to be a judgemental dick.

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[quote]Molotov_Coktease wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Molotov_Coktease wrote:
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, because youre a punk ass sycophant yap dog so shut the fuck up.

You know me so well.

Why would a rider say?

Molotov_Coktease wrote:

Even still, I’m not against motorcycles…I’ve often found myself longing for the freedom they enjoy. …

Sounds like the statement of a nonrider.

Finally you read my post. Well done Zap bonehead Branigan. Do I have to say every event in my life here … honestly? Screw that…I found myself longing for it, and did just that for months…with boyfriends who rode and did the same. Who cares. Its all down to me to reconcile in my mind things that occur isnt it. Not down to you to be a judgemental dick.[/quote]

Dear “underdog”, you wrote this earlier:

Then you wrote this:

That sure is a strange thing for a RIDER to write down. But hey, you did write this:

So maybe you were just being “dishonest”.

No one is being a judgemental dick here but you and your apparent hatred of my nuts…and let me tell you, they are not pleased with your performance here!

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[quote]Molotov_Coktease wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Molotov_Coktease wrote:
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, because youre a punk ass sycophant yap dog so shut the fuck up.

You know me so well.

Why would a rider say?

Molotov_Coktease wrote:

Even still, I’m not against motorcycles…I’ve often found myself longing for the freedom they enjoy. …

Sounds like the statement of a nonrider.

Finally you read my post. Well done Zap bonehead Branigan. Do I have to say every event in my life here … honestly? Screw that…I found myself longing for it, and did just that for months…with boyfriends who rode and did the same. Who cares. Its all down to me to reconcile in my mind things that occur isnt it. Not down to you to be a judgemental dick.[/quote]

You write a post that indicates you are a nonrider.

I call you a nonrider.

You get offended and claim you have riden.

I point out in your post why it looks like you are a nonrider and you get your panties in a twist.

My dick judges you as pathetic.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Molotov_Coktease wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Molotov_Coktease wrote:
…

, because youre a punk ass sycophant yap dog so shut the fuck up.

You know me so well.

Why would a rider say?

Molotov_Coktease wrote:

Even still, I’m not against motorcycles…I’ve often found myself longing for the freedom they enjoy. …

Sounds like the statement of a nonrider.

Finally you read my post. Well done Zap bonehead Branigan. Do I have to say every event in my life here … honestly? Screw that…I found myself longing for it, and did just that for months…with boyfriends who rode and did the same. Who cares. Its all down to me to reconcile in my mind things that occur isnt it. Not down to you to be a judgemental dick.

Dear “underdog”, you wrote this earlier:
Zap, I have owned and ridden a Harley in my lifetime… don’t presume things, its ignorant.

Then you wrote this:
Even still, I’m not against motorcycles…I’ve often found myself longing for the freedom they enjoy

That sure is a strange thing for a RIDER to write down. But hey, you did write this:
Do I have to say every event in my life here … honestly?

So maybe you were just being “dishonest”.

No one is being a judgemental dick here but you and your apparent hatred of my nuts…and let me tell you, they are not pleased with your performance here![/quote]

Prof X. My friends ride Harleys, which might explain my presence at last weeks sad production. I have ridden Harleys. That was never the point. I’m grappling with it in my mind now…so its really fucking offensive for you to come at me the way you did.

I love motorcycles… I am trying to find a way in my mind and heart to meet them together. If you dont understand that, then YOU arent a rider. so Fuck you and your hostility, I never was like that to begin with. Im most of the time misunderstood though, so I am used to this treatment and will lash out accordingly.

Im going to his birthday party this weekend that he wasnt fortunate enough to be there for. Just give a person a break okay.

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This is what happens when you regulate the speed of a vehicle to 80mph or less:

http://www.boreme.com/boreme/funny-2007/traffic-in-iraq-p1.php?vid=9799

IS THAT WHAT YOU WANT!?

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[quote]Molotov_Coktease wrote:
Zap, I have owned and ridden a Harley in my lifetime… don’t presume things, its ignorant. I didn’t even want to address you because I think youre horribly lame, but a non rider I’m not. You didn’t read fuck all from my post, you read what somebody said about it, thats about all, because youre a punk ass sycophant yap dog so shut the fuck up.[/quote]

A sportbike is different than your (apparently nonexistent) Harley. I’ve ridden Harleys (and I haven’t liked one of them), I own a K1200S. While I personally rarely drive it at night and hate driving it on the highway, I don’t intend to stop driving it. Of course, my prejudices against driving it are related to the fact that I live in South Florida, which is congested and full of terrible drivers. I track it, mostly.

It’s pretty god damn obvious if you get into an accident on a motorcycle you should expect to be at risk of greater injuries in every aspect.

Speed rarely plays a role for experienced riders in losing control and ending up a fatality, though. It’s mostly accidents at speeds above 40 where people around the rider are driving incompletely. So, I really have no idea why you’d bring it up in this thread if your friend was one.

While I generally wouldn’t respond to your post, because I thought the exchange a few pages back ended normally, the fact that you’ve had some fucking explosion of bitch behavior on the last page that’s beyond the measuring range of the Richter scale sure does a good job of drawing attention to your mental instability. And if there’s one thing I love doing, it’s communicating with the delusional.

Your friend died. Sorry. I don’t really care if your friend died, I care even less about you than your corpse buddy, but death is a painful experience and it’s not fun when you’re going through it. That said, it’s becoming obvious that you are against riding, and you’re not rider. You’re obviously not a motorcycle owner, and you seem to long for certain aspects of it while decrying others.

If you need a rush without fear of dying horribly like every other rider apparently does, may I suggest an abusive relationship? You could still die, obviously, but getting hit in the face is much better than being cut in half once you get catapulted off your bike by a Ford Explorer, yeah? You can even wear a Harley t-shirt, so you’ll feel like you’re getting the full experience.

In the mean time, I’ll give you a little pro-tip and tell you that you should probably cease and desist with the whole talking about topics you have little experience with thing. People doing that tend to look like douchebags, and I’m sure image is incredibly important to you.

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[quote]Dweezil wrote:
A sportbike is different than your (apparently nonexistent) Harley. I’ve ridden Harleys (and I haven’t liked one of them), I own a K1200S. While I personally rarely drive it at night and hate driving it on the highway, I don’t intend to stop driving it. Of course, my prejudices against driving it are related to the fact that I live in South Florida, which is congested and full of terrible drivers. I track it, mostly.[/quote]

[quote]Molotov_Coktease wrote:
I don’t think cars should be made with an 80mph limit. Just the same as I don’t believe everybody should stop riding a motorcycle.

Wake up and pay attention. Accidents happen, and sometimes even among the most alert and astute, you meet your end. No reason to strangle freedom. [/quote]

That is and was my stance on the issue, before it was mutilated, and perceived just how somebody wanted to perceive it.

Yes, that is quite obvious… but no need to go into meltdown everytime the topic is broached. Especially when the intent was only to recognise those aspects but ultimately deduce that despite those risks, freedom of choice weighs in more heavily. Somehow though, that was swept under the carpet, because of some peoples need to appear persecuted.

Spare me the message board psycho analysis. I realised my point was mistook… I rationally explained, only to have it quoted for what it was not…again. That lit my fuse. I am not interested in your assessment of my stability, if you find me particularly venomous, I can be. This is the internet, get over it.

Seriously, if that is what you want to believe, go ahead. Be my guest. I don’t have shit to prove, and the thing that kills me is…if I was against motorcycles, I’d have absolutely no fucking qualms about taking that stance from the get go. That is not my opinion, and I don’t take kindly to having an opinion that is not my own given to me.

Why, are you game for me bashing in your skull? If not, I’ll have to decline.

I don’t dress in Harley gear.

Look, my ex boyfriend had a Harley. I rode with him. Doesn’t make me an expert but it certainly doesn’t disqualify me from having any kind of input, I will mention what I please and in whatever way I deem fit. The douchebags will take it as they do.

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[quote]Molotov_Coktease wrote:
That is and was my stance on the issue, before it was mutilated, and perceived just how somebody wanted to perceive it.[/quote]

Between your explosion about it, and this

It’s clear that you’re not trying to rectify conflicting emotions, but you’re trying to rectify your stance against motorcycles to make yourself seem relevant in this conversation.

People are afraid of motorcycles, but anyone who’s got a pulse would enjoy the freedom of riding for the first few minutes.

I wouldn’t say you’ve never ridden a motorcycle. But it’s blatant that you’ve never owned one, had to deal with the upkeep of one or rode as a daily driver for any period of time.

If by analysis you mean you acted like a crazy bitch and I noticed it because I’m fucking literate, then yes, it’s an analysis. It wasn’t much other than reading and comprehending, though.

Zap agreed with Professor X that he was sick of people telling him how dangerous motorcycles are. For someone who mentioned Professor X being “totally offensive”, you sure became vitriolic quick for something that was only a misunderstanding.

To quote yourself

I’ve seen it before. It’s the equivalent of someone commenting on black culture, but then saying they have a black friend. Or a debate in college where the participant is completely disassociated from what he’s speaking about, but he pretends to have an association to seem more concrete.

Again, I don’t think you’ve never been on a motorcycle, but I highly doubt you’ve ever owned one. Even if what you said was taken out of context, your whole conflicting emotion response was enough to recognize that you don’t own a motorcycle.

Feisty.

[quote]Look, my ex boyfriend had a Harley. I rode with him. Doesn’t make me an expert but it certainly doesn’t disqualify me from having any kind of input, I will mention what I please and in whatever way I deem fit. The douchebags will take it as they do.
[/quote]

You’ve never owned a motorcycle (now I know, which I guess makes the earlier part of this post less presumptuous). You’ve never performed maintenance on a motorcycle. You rode with him, which implies that the majority of the time (if not all the time) you were not riding it yourself. You can come back and act like an expert when you’ve lived having a motorcycle and riding it on a regular basis.

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You know, this website sure does attract a lot of wacked-out-of-their-mind, retarded chicks. I can think of close to ten just off the top of my head.

Yes, Molotov, you’re one of them, but I’m not worried. Soon you’ll be gone and some other crazy bitch will take your place.

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[quote]Dweezil wrote:
You’ve never owned a motorcycle (now I know, which I guess makes the earlier part of this post less presumptuous). You’ve never performed maintenance on a motorcycle. You rode with him, which implies that the majority of the time (if not all the time) you were not riding it yourself. You can come back and act like an expert when you’ve lived having a motorcycle and riding it on a regular basis.[/quote]

Well I’d consider it part ownership since I was the one helping to pay for said upkeep. Lived with him, rode with him. That is the extent. Fully. What next, my opinion is only valid when I can break a hog down and reassemble it while you hold a stop watch to my ear?

I don’t want on your little experts panel, oh ye persecuted motorcyclists of T Nation…I have my opinion, I’m entitled to express it, you can twist it to meet which end you desire, it is not Anti-motorcycle, so you can shove your validation stamp up your back pipe.

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[quote]Bujo wrote:
Mr. Moose wrote:

That makes perfect sense!! You’ve the past 12 years driven a truck that max out at 85 and because of that you have the skills to drive at 140??

Yeah, right.

The 81 Chevy was my daily driver for the past 12 years. In that time I have played around in a host of motor-sports from drag racing to autocross. I am a certified instructor for Driver’s Ed., Defensive Driving, and Smith Driving System. I also maintain my Commercial Drivers Liscense. Every couple of years I enroll in one of the Skip Barber Driving/Racing Schools. In fact I’m hoping to take the 2-day High Performance Driving Class this spring or summer.

My Chevy has always been my “old reliable”, but I have bought, sold and traded a dozen cars in the last 8 years. Ranging from a 55 Dodge pickup to a 78 Corvette. Add to that the company provided fleet vehicles, the odd rental car, and just about every type of car Chrysler has produced since 1995. I think of myself as a rather accomplished and experienced driver.

And Finally I Practice. In high school my friends and I were notorious for tearing around Lakeline Mall at 2am. We taught ourselves J-turns, powerslides and such in the parking lots and the surrounding loops. Back then it was the mall and the roads without all the extra development it has today. I still enjoy cruising the backroads of Blanco and Llano counties with my grandpa. In fact we make a day of it everytime my dad or I bring home anything interesting.

If that isnt enough of a resume for you, then sod off.[/quote]

Now THAT put things in a different perspective.

I hope you can see my point though, driving a slow car for a dussin years would qualify you as a driver with skills to handle a way faster car.

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[quote]Dweezil wrote:
Molotov_Coktease wrote:
Zap, I have owned and ridden a Harley in my lifetime… don’t presume things, its ignorant. I didn’t even want to address you because I think youre horribly lame, but a non rider I’m not. You didn’t read fuck all from my post, you read what somebody said about it, thats about all, because youre a punk ass sycophant yap dog so shut the fuck up.

A sportbike is different than your (apparently nonexistent) Harley. I’ve ridden Harleys (and I haven’t liked one of them), I own a K1200S. While I personally rarely drive it at night and hate driving it on the highway, I don’t intend to stop driving it. Of course, my prejudices against driving it are related to the fact that I live in South Florida, which is congested and full of terrible drivers. I track it, mostly.

It’s pretty god damn obvious if you get into an accident on a motorcycle you should expect to be at risk of greater injuries in every aspect.

Speed rarely plays a role for experienced riders in losing control and ending up a fatality, though. It’s mostly accidents at speeds above 40 where people around the rider are driving incompletely. So, I really have no idea why you’d bring it up in this thread if your friend was one.

While I generally wouldn’t respond to your post, because I thought the exchange a few pages back ended normally, the fact that you’ve had some fucking explosion of bitch behavior on the last page that’s beyond the measuring range of the Richter scale sure does a good job of drawing attention to your mental instability. And if there’s one thing I love doing, it’s communicating with the delusional.

Your friend died. Sorry. I don’t really care if your friend died, I care even less about you than your corpse buddy, but death is a painful experience and it’s not fun when you’re going through it. That said, it’s becoming obvious that you are against riding, and you’re not rider. You’re obviously not a motorcycle owner, and you seem to long for certain aspects of it while decrying others.

If you need a rush without fear of dying horribly like every other rider apparently does, may I suggest an abusive relationship? You could still die, obviously, but getting hit in the face is much better than being cut in half once you get catapulted off your bike by a Ford Explorer, yeah? You can even wear a Harley t-shirt, so you’ll feel like you’re getting the full experience.

In the mean time, I’ll give you a little pro-tip and tell you that you should probably cease and desist with the whole talking about topics you have little experience with thing. People doing that tend to look like douchebags, and I’m sure image is incredibly important to you. [/quote]

Remind me not get get on your bad side.

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Actually speed limits were introduced in the 70’s as a result of high oil costs.

Governments realised they could save billions of currency in fuel import duties by making everyone drive at the most fuel efficient speed at the top end.

Speed to any engineer and he’ll tell you about flow dynamics.

If you look at the states when they moved their limits from the 50’s upwards the rate of accidents in the 80th percentile was no different.

official stopping distances in the highway code in the UK are also based on a morris minor. (1970’s, drum brakes etc)

get a life speed does not kill - driving irresponsibly does - and I agree there are times that speeding excessively is irresponsible. But on a 4 lane highway with no traffic I would drive as fast as possible under my cars limits if I could.

I hereby now dismount my high horse.

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[quote]bluebear wrote:

Speed to any engineer and he’ll tell you about flow dynamics.
[/quote]

Or, I could just call an engineer and ask. I’ll save more gas that way. :wink:

(I know you meant “speak”, but I just had to be a smart-ass about it)

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[quote]Molotov_Coktease wrote:
Well I’d consider it part ownership since I was the one helping to pay for said upkeep.[/quote]

Paying for upkeep != performing upkeep. A car is not a motorcycle. Experienced riders (which I’d not really claim to be, I’ve only been riding regularly for a few years) have a mental checklist that they go through before they get on a bike for any elongated period of time.

When you’re an owner it’s different. Especially with a lot of sport bikes. It’s not a car. You have vital mechanical parts openly exposed.

Lived with him, rode with him.

Have you ever ridden a motorcycle by yourself?

I’m assuming the answer is no. You like the feel, you don’t seem to like the responsibility. That’s why your opinion is worthless, because you’ve never actually had control of a motorcycle before. You’ve never driven a motorcycle on a crowded street, and you don’t know what it’s like to regularly drive a motorcycle knowing that you have to be extremely vigilant.

[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Remind me not get get on your bad side.[/quote]

You’re like the third person on this forum that’s said this to me in the last month. What the hell?

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[quote]bluebear wrote:
Actually speed limits were introduced in the 70’s as a result of high oil costs.[/quote]

This isn’t correct. In response to the oil crisis, if I recall correctly, they set a maximum speed limit to 55. And I think it was pretty much ignored by everybody. It was repealed in the 90s. The rest of your post was spot on, though.

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[quote]Dweezil wrote:
Molotov_Coktease wrote:
Well I’d consider it part ownership since I was the one helping to pay for said upkeep.

Paying for upkeep != performing upkeep. A car is not a motorcycle. Experienced riders (which I’d not really claim to be, I’ve only been riding regularly for a few years) have a mental checklist that they go through before they get on a bike for any elongated period of time.

When you’re an owner it’s different. Especially with a lot of sport bikes. It’s not a car. You have vital mechanical parts openly exposed.

Lived with him, rode with him. That is the extent. Fully. What next, my opinion is only valid when I can break a hog down and reassemble it while you hold a stop watch to my ear?

Lived with him, rode with him.

Have you ever ridden a motorcycle by yourself?

I’m assuming the answer is no. You like the feel, you don’t seem to like the responsibility. That’s why your opinion is worthless, because you’ve never actually had control of a motorcycle before. You’ve never driven a motorcycle on a crowded street, and you don’t know what it’s like to regularly drive a motorcycle knowing that you have to be extremely vigilant.
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I’m not quite sure why you think I have to be Bud Ekins to engage in a discussion and mention motorcycles. I thought I made myself quite clear, in the portion of my post you deliberately left out:

“I don’t want on your little experts panel, oh ye persecuted motorcyclists of T Nation…I have my opinion, I’m entitled to express it, you can twist it to meet which end you desire, it is not Anti-motorcycle, so you can shove your validation stamp up your back pipe.”

Maybe now it will sink in.

Can you say ‘dead horse’ Dweezil ?

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[quote]Molotov_Coktease wrote:
I’m not quite sure why you think I have to be Bud Ekins to engage in a discussion and mention motorcycles. I thought I made myself quite clear, in the portion of my post you deliberately left out:

“I don’t want on your little experts panel, oh ye persecuted motorcyclists of T Nation…I have my opinion, I’m entitled to express it, you can twist it to meet which end you desire, it is not Anti-motorcycle, so you can shove your validation stamp up your back pipe.”

Maybe now it will sink in.

Can you say ‘dead horse’ Dweezil ?[/quote]

Because I give a flying fuck what you want me to do. You’ve never even driven a fucking motorcycle on your own.

If just wanting something made you understand it or have it I’d be a billionaire brain surgeon with a 3 foot long dick and the ability to fly. You don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about, and all that’s been happening throughout this thread is a further deconstruction of your position and constant indication that you have little experience on the subject.

It’s starting to become the equivalent of an internet warrior talking about advanced programs and cutting down to 4% bodyfat when he’s 320 pounds with a neckbeard that size of Salzburg, Austria who couldn’t deadlift the bar. Just because you’ve stood next to Arnold doesn’t mean you’re him, and just because you’ve been on a motorcycle for ten minutes with someone else driving doesn’t mean you understand owning or riding a motorcycle regularly.

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In answer to the title of this thread, the answer is simple.

If you don’t go faster than 80, you’ll never get to 140