[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Ladies and Gentlemen: Start Your Engines…
http://www-nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov/pdf/nrd-30/NCSA/Rpts/2005/809_839/pages/table6-2.html
As long as you folks don’t drive near me, go ahead and kill yourselves. Or someone else. Have the thrill of a lifetime![/quote]
Did you even read that chart, moron?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Molotov_Coktease wrote:
I went to a funeral last weekend for a very good friend of mine, he was 39… had a Harley, and dumped it on a freeway offramp. He wasn’t drinking, nor was he an inexperienced rider. He may not have even died if it hadn’t been for roadwork equipment, he did all the right things and got an unlucky break. I’ve been a bit down for it.
Today on my way home from work I just had to pass an accident scene, and see a motorcyclist immobilized in the midst of being resuscitated. Today was a beautiful day, and when the sun shines, the motorcycles flock… and there they go down the middle section, trusting no idiot will make a sudden lane change and snuff their lives in seconds flat. Baffling to me really considering the unpredictable stupidity of people.
No offense, but I can’t stand people who do this. I am hit all day long with people telling me stories of some guy they knew who got in an accident if they ever find out I ride a motorcycle. Not only is it rude and intrusive, but people who do this somehow feel they are the first person to do so.
http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/shared-blogs/ajc/copbriefs/entries/2007.02.16.136641.html
http://bendigo.yourguide.com.au/detail.asp?class=news&subclass=general&story_id=556095&category=general
http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/breaking/2007/0217/breaking10.htm
http://www.nbc5.com/news/11039286/detail.html
http://www.thetimesherald.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070217/OPINION03/702170327/1014/OPINION
http://www.fox28.com/News/index.php?ID=13747
http://www.casperstartribune.net/articles/2007/02/17/ap/sports/college/d8n936do1.txt
http://www.kgw.com/news-local/stories/kgw_021607_news_pregnant_crash_.7e658e1.html
Those are all car wrecks reported over just the last day or the past week. I suggest you bring this up EVERY TIME you talk to someone who drives a car. That would be the only rational thing to do. I didn’t even have to look hard for those.
People who drive cars yet think they are safe…so safe that they can tell people who ride motorcycles how unsafe they are on a regular basis simply because they ride, are idiots, plain and simple.[/quote]
Thank you!
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
I’m glad your dad is okay. Did you ever think that maybe if you’d plowed into some family and killed them, that your dad would have died then as well? It’s illegal to be your own ambulance and endanger others, no matter how much you love your dad.
Your tragedy is not a claim on the rights of others or give you a right to endanger others, plain and simple.
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Of course I considered that I could hit another car and kill innocent people. I consider that every time I drive and avoid such situations as best I can. But, I could also do the same thing if I was driving a maximum of 75 MPH. Are you arguing that from a statistical stand point 80 MPH should be the enforced maximum? For the sake of argument, let’s say maybe 80 MPH = 1 death/day.
What if 70 MPH = 0.8 deaths/day?
What if 60 MPH = 0.6 deaths/day?
What if 0 MPH = 0 deaths/day?
Should 0 MPH be the maximum enforced speed because it causes the fewest deaths?
Why do you delineate 80 MPH as the “safe” speed? People in vehicles traveling will always = some amount of death. This cannot be avoided, but we accept it because of the mobility we are provided from this risk.
So, your argument can only be justified from a statistical point of view. Have you seen any study that would lead one to believe 80 MPH is the magic cut off point? Does 85 MPH = 100000 deaths/day and that’s too much?
This issue is hugely gray. I’d like to see where you are in this cloud.
It’s fun to drive fast, but you’re assuming that everyone else on the road is a good driver who’s doing the right thing. All you need is someone to change lanes without indicating or checking and you’ve got nowhere to go.
I think it’s obvious to everyone that the faster you’re going the bigger the accident is.
As well, the faster you’re going, the lower your reaction time is. If something happens and you just don’t have time to brake or avoid it… bang!
That’s why I drive like someone’s granddad. Honestly, I just want to get there in one piece. Quite often you hear of cars veering off the wrong side of the road and having a head on collision with someone. This scares me as I have too much to live for.
I just try to make it as safe as possible so we can all live. Dying on the roads is a complete waste of life and potential.
Sorry for the rambling post, I’m not saying I’ve never sped but i always do it safely. I’m talking 120 in a 110 zone. Maybe a little bit more in a blue moon. But I don’t do it in traffic and I keep it down on suburban streets as well, when the little kids could be doing whatever it is they might be doing on the road.
Since I am currently studying Transportation Engineering, let me share what I know about the topic:
Arguments advanced in favor of government intervention fall into 2 categories: (1), the welfare argument and (2), the social cost argument. The first advocates action to protect rights and privileges of individuals; the second argues failure to act would be detrimental to society at large.
Arguments advanced against government intervention are mostly variants of the Free-Market argument. It argues a free market is the most efficient way of allocating resources. Government actions coerce individuals and economic entities to act in ways they do not judge to be in their best interest. This is considered coercive as it violates the freedom of choice of individuals.
We’ve already seen all types of arguments. In the end, however, as long as the social cost of allowing engines to reach 100mph remains low, argument type 2 will always win. It’s a free country afterall.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Molotov_Coktease wrote:
I went to a funeral last weekend for a very good friend of mine, he was 39… had a Harley, and dumped it on a freeway offramp. He wasn’t drinking, nor was he an inexperienced rider. He may not have even died if it hadn’t been for roadwork equipment, he did all the right things and got an unlucky break. I’ve been a bit down for it.
Today on my way home from work I just had to pass an accident scene, and see a motorcyclist immobilized in the midst of being resuscitated. Today was a beautiful day, and when the sun shines, the motorcycles flock… and there they go down the middle section, trusting no idiot will make a sudden lane change and snuff their lives in seconds flat. Baffling to me really considering the unpredictable stupidity of people.
No offense, but I can’t stand people who do this. I am hit all day long with people telling me stories of some guy they knew who got in an accident if they ever find out I ride a motorcycle. Not only is it rude and intrusive, but people who do this somehow feel they are the first person to do so.
http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/shared-blogs/ajc/copbriefs/entries/2007.02.16.136641.html
http://bendigo.yourguide.com.au/detail.asp?class=news&subclass=general&story_id=556095&category=general
http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/breaking/2007/0217/breaking10.htm
http://www.nbc5.com/news/11039286/detail.html
http://www.thetimesherald.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070217/OPINION03/702170327/1014/OPINION
http://www.fox28.com/News/index.php?ID=13747
http://www.casperstartribune.net/articles/2007/02/17/ap/sports/college/d8n936do1.txt
http://www.kgw.com/news-local/stories/kgw_021607_news_pregnant_crash_.7e658e1.html
Those are all car wrecks reported over just the last day or the past week. I suggest you bring this up EVERY TIME you talk to someone who drives a car. That would be the only rational thing to do. I didn’t even have to look hard for those.
People who drive cars yet think they are safe…so safe that they can tell people who ride motorcycles how unsafe they are on a regular basis simply because they ride, are idiots, plain and simple.
Thank you![/quote]
No, Thank YOU Zap Branigan for your support of this STRAW MAN argument Prof X concocted of my original post. Like I give a damn if rides his bike into a state of Nirvana and ends up with his brains all over hells half acre Kurt Cobain style, maybe your sycophantic ass will be riding bitch at the time as usual. Do what you want organ donors.
Keep taking my post out of context to suit your own unoriginal means of argument, but it was in favour of the freedom to choose. Ride on.
The speed debate is irrelevant. Most advocating speed regulations are doing so based on their desire to make the roads more “safe.” Let’s use some simple physics here. What will cause more damage if it hits you? A 6800 lb Escalade traveling 65mph or a Nissan 350z traveling 85mph? You guessed it mates, this isn’t about speed, it’s about momentum. That’s what will kill you. Do the math. That car has 60% of the momentum of the Escalade. Not to mention, those traveling at speeds over 80mph are generally much more focused on their driving. Give me a road filled with Z-cars going 85 any day, over one with Escalades at 65mph with people watching DVD’s in the steering wheel or putting on their makeup.
-B-
[quote]Molotov_Coktease wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Molotov_Coktease wrote:
I went to a funeral last weekend for a very good friend of mine, he was 39… had a Harley, and dumped it on a freeway offramp. He wasn’t drinking, nor was he an inexperienced rider. He may not have even died if it hadn’t been for roadwork equipment, he did all the right things and got an unlucky break. I’ve been a bit down for it.
Today on my way home from work I just had to pass an accident scene, and see a motorcyclist immobilized in the midst of being resuscitated. Today was a beautiful day, and when the sun shines, the motorcycles flock… and there they go down the middle section, trusting no idiot will make a sudden lane change and snuff their lives in seconds flat. Baffling to me really considering the unpredictable stupidity of people.
No offense, but I can’t stand people who do this. I am hit all day long with people telling me stories of some guy they knew who got in an accident if they ever find out I ride a motorcycle. Not only is it rude and intrusive, but people who do this somehow feel they are the first person to do so.
http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/shared-blogs/ajc/copbriefs/entries/2007.02.16.136641.html
http://bendigo.yourguide.com.au/detail.asp?class=news&subclass=general&story_id=556095&category=general
http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/breaking/2007/0217/breaking10.htm
http://www.nbc5.com/news/11039286/detail.html
http://www.thetimesherald.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070217/OPINION03/702170327/1014/OPINION
http://www.fox28.com/News/index.php?ID=13747
http://www.casperstartribune.net/articles/2007/02/17/ap/sports/college/d8n936do1.txt
http://www.kgw.com/news-local/stories/kgw_021607_news_pregnant_crash_.7e658e1.html
Those are all car wrecks reported over just the last day or the past week. I suggest you bring this up EVERY TIME you talk to someone who drives a car. That would be the only rational thing to do. I didn’t even have to look hard for those.
People who drive cars yet think they are safe…so safe that they can tell people who ride motorcycles how unsafe they are on a regular basis simply because they ride, are idiots, plain and simple.
Thank you!
No, Thank YOU Zap Branigan for your support of this STRAW MAN argument Prof X concocted of my original post. Like I give a damn if rides his bike into a state of Nirvana and ends up with his brains all over hells half acre Kurt Cobain style, maybe your sycophantic ass will be riding bitch at the time as usual. Do what you want organ donors.
Keep taking my post out of context to suit your own unoriginal means of argument, but it was in favour of the freedom to choose. Ride on.
http://members.shaw.ca/spudnewt/sierranaked.jpg/badluck.swf[/quote]
Wow, such hatred. I do believe this post shows your original was NOT taken out of context because I nailed what you were truly getting at by bringing it up.
i had a 200mile drive last night, on a clear road in good conditions with very light traffic
my car has a top speed of 160mph, tyres are rated to 200mph and suspension and brakes are very well developed.
I can’t see anything wrong in travelling at 90-95 mph average. Technically breaking our speed limit by 20-25mph.
however there are occasions where even the 70mph limit is way too fast, fog/heavy rain too much traffic etc.
a variable speed limit would be best.
the speed limit was set when cars like the Austin mini was the height of sophistication. Now my car at 90 is infinitely safer than a mini at 70.
[quote]Molotov_Coktease wrote:
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No, Thank YOU Zap Branigan for your support of this STRAW MAN argument Prof X concocted of my original post. Like I give a damn if rides his bike into a state of Nirvana and ends up with his brains all over hells half acre Kurt Cobain style, maybe your sycophantic ass will be riding bitch at the time as usual. Do what you want organ donors.
Keep taking my post out of context to suit your own unoriginal means of argument, but it was in favour of the freedom to choose. Ride on.
http://members.shaw.ca/spudnewt/sierranaked.jpg/badluck.swf[/quote]
I really don’t care about the intention of your post. It just read like another nonrider telling tales of danger.
We all know how dangerous it is. Many of us have lost friends to riding and we choose to ride anyway.
We are weary of the topic, especially from nonriders.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Molotov_Coktease wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Molotov_Coktease wrote:
Wow, such hatred. I do believe this post shows your original was NOT taken out of context because I nailed what you were truly getting at by bringing it up.[/quote]
Oh snap bro. You are the modern day Freud. Just as full of shit. You focused on one part of my post where I expressed grief over my good friend dying last week and turned it into your need to rally support for your cause. That is the source of my hatred, sure I’ve got plenty on reserve,…for all those who misconstrue my message. I hit you in the nuts because you deserved it.
[quote]Molotov_Coktease wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Molotov_Coktease wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Molotov_Coktease wrote:
Wow, such hatred. I do believe this post shows your original was NOT taken out of context because I nailed what you were truly getting at by bringing it up.
Oh snap bro. You are the modern day Freud. Just as full of shit. You focused on one part of my post where I expressed grief over my good friend dying last week and turned it into your need to rally support for your cause. That is the source of my hatred, sure I’ve got plenty on reserve,…for all those who misconstrue my message. I hit you in the nuts because you deserved it.
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My nuts hate to inform you of this, but you missed them by a mile. They tell me to tell you to try harder.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
I really don’t care about the intention of your post. It just read like another nonrider telling tales of danger.
We all know how dangerous it is. Many of us have lost friends to riding and we choose to ride anyway.
We are weary of the topic, especially from nonriders.[/quote]
Amen.
Oops, was that support of “straw man”? Why do people who fuck up in debate love that word so much?
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Molotov_Coktease wrote:
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No, Thank YOU Zap Branigan for your support of this STRAW MAN argument Prof X concocted of my original post. Like I give a damn if rides his bike into a state of Nirvana and ends up with his brains all over hells half acre Kurt Cobain style, maybe your sycophantic ass will be riding bitch at the time as usual. Do what you want organ donors.
Keep taking my post out of context to suit your own unoriginal means of argument, but it was in favour of the freedom to choose. Ride on.
http://members.shaw.ca/spudnewt/sierranaked.jpg/badluck.swf
I really don’t care about the intention of your post. It just read like another nonrider telling tales of danger.
We all know how dangerous it is. Many of us have lost friends to riding and we choose to ride anyway.
We are weary of the topic, especially from nonriders.[/quote]
Zap, I have owned and ridden a Harley in my lifetime… don’t presume things, its ignorant. I didn’t even want to address you because I think youre horribly lame, but a non rider I’m not. You didn’t read fuck all from my post, you read what somebody said about it, thats about all, because youre a punk ass sycophant yap dog so shut the fuck up.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
I really don’t care about the intention of your post. It just read like another nonrider telling tales of danger.
We all know how dangerous it is. Many of us have lost friends to riding and we choose to ride anyway.
We are weary of the topic, especially from nonriders.
Amen.
Oops, was that support of “straw man”? Why do people who fuck up in debate love that word so much?[/quote]
Perhaps the underdog uses that in a debate to point out how others can be so offbase and just out to appeal to the masses they know will support their easy and popular notions of unoriginality. You cannot debunk my mind by such tactics of bollocks. You are inferior. Fuck. Off.
my opinion is speed doesn’t kill as much as inattentive driving. i wouldn’t be in favor of more speed regulation. i would be in favor of much better driver education. posessing a license to drive should mean something.
[quote]Molotov_Coktease wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
I really don’t care about the intention of your post. It just read like another nonrider telling tales of danger.
We all know how dangerous it is. Many of us have lost friends to riding and we choose to ride anyway.
We are weary of the topic, especially from nonriders.
Amen.
Oops, was that support of “straw man”? Why do people who fuck up in debate love that word so much?
Perhaps the underdog uses that in a debate to point out how others can be so offbase and just out to appeal to the masses they know will support their easy and popular notions of unoriginality. You cannot debunk my mind by such tactics of bollocks. You are inferior. Fuck. Off.
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Wait…you are the underdog now? I thought that would be the guy riding the motorcycle since popular opinion has deemed them ‘unsafe’. What about this makes you an “underdog”?
My nuts tell me to tell you that they are not inferior and neither is the guy they are attached to.
[quote]Molotov_Coktease wrote:
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, because youre a punk ass sycophant yap dog so shut the fuck up.[/quote]
You know me so well.
Why would a rider say?
[quote]Molotov_Coktease wrote:
Even still, I’m not against motorcycles…I’ve often found myself longing for the freedom they enjoy. …[/quote]
Sounds like the statement of a nonrider.