[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
You can’t even understand this…wow. It’s a simple courtesy that I’m paying to DD. He, like everyone else, should be made aware that you are a total fraud. [/quote]
You’re a chorus of one ZEB. And a broken record of strawmen and ad hominems. You’re brilliant! But What Would Jesus Do?[/quote]
Says the king of strawmen and logical fallacies.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
Oh, so your claim is that you are evaluating religion by examining the fruit of the tree, but are acknowledging that without the religion the same things could by all means have still happened?
How can war be the fruit of religion when you aren’t claiming that religion has had an impact on the occurrence of war?
And currently most of the main religions (official doctrine) are peaceful.[/quote]
You STILL didn’t answer the questions posed to you. Do that.
I am not acknowledging the “same things” could still have happened. For instance, looking at AC’s list of atrocities (have you?), they were expressly done in the name of religion, under the cloak of religion. Review them, and comment. Stop talking AROUND it.
Without religion, there would still be war. Admitted. But not the point.
You are badly misconstruing judging a tree by its fruit. Badly. It has nothing to do with any other wars. Let’s look at what was done in the name of someone’s God and judge accordingly.
Official doctrine? Well, again, just for example, using AC’s list of atrocities, which doctrine was in play at that point? [/quote]
I don’t understand how it is the fruit of religion if without religion the same things would have happened. In my mind it is clear that if adding or removing religion from the scenario doesn’t affect the result, religion is not an influence on war. If what I’m claiming is correct, then literally and scientifically, religion has no place in the evaluation of war. So, yes, other wars are entirely relevant and to the point.
What I’m talking about is literally DOE (design of experiments). IÃ???Ã??Ã?¢??m scientifically evaluating religion as a variable in war. And scientifically religion seems to be an extraneous variable. But to do that you need things like controls where religion is known to not be part of the conflict, which is why I introduced them.
Second, you are the one making the claims about the influence of religion. You need to tell me what doctrine are causing all these bad things.[/quote]
I just replied to the class clown as I would reply to the above. Please review it and comment. If man wages evil because he is claiming to follow divine instruction or doctrine, then the examination of that doctrine is fair game. If man goes into war at the instruction of his government, we do not examine the nature of the soldier, but of the policy making of the government that ordered him to war. It’s a simple relationship.
Now, again, review the atrocities and let’s examine the docrtrines behind them. Fruit of the tree, not of man.
You can’t have a man do something in the name of ideology and then claim man is at fault unless of course man corrupted the ideology. Is that the defense? That in each instance listed by AC, that man corrupted the divine instruction or doctrine? If that’s your position, state how and give supporting reference. [/quote]
“If man wages evil because he is claiming to follow divine instruction or doctrine…”
Bold mine. This is where I think we are having the break in communication. I’m contending that claiming to do something for religion and actually doing it for religion are two different things.
I think man does things he wants to and uses a variety of excuses including religion. The excuse is not the cause.
If I go kill someone then claim I was motivated by atheism, is that a negative reflection on atheism, or am I just a bad person?[/quote]
And, if you do indeed kill someone due to an atheist doctrine, the examination of atheism is fair. Why can’t you get this distinction? If the murderer corrupted an atheist doctrine in said murder, then examination of the man is fair.
See the distinction?
Why so much trouble here avoiding the examination of religious doctrine? If it is indeed "pure’ and “good” it will be res ipsa loquitur.
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
But What Would Jesus Do?[/quote]
Help you with your OCD and porn and alcohol addictions?
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
You can’t even understand this…wow. It’s a simple courtesy that I’m paying to DD. He, like everyone else, should be made aware that you are a total fraud. [/quote]
You’re a chorus of one ZEB. And a broken record of strawmen and ad hominems. You’re brilliant! But What Would Jesus Do?[/quote]
Says the king of strawmen and logical fallacies.
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Another spitball? ZEB you’re going to get detention ya lil runt.
WWJD? Would He sit in the back of the class like a little fucktard, or would He teach us? Teach brother. Burn the strawmen, and fellate (ooops, I was distracted by your true nature), rebut the logical fallacies.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
But What Would Jesus Do?[/quote]
Help you with your OCD and porn and alcohol addictions?
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Projecting again ZEB?
At least two people here are having a discussion. And you’re here again, polluting a thread with your nonsensical attacks. Again, what man follows another man around the internet for this purpose? Ya lil jerk off. Now run along and argue with your fat wife ya unhappy bastard.
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
You’re a pathetic little man. I feel sorry for you. And I’m not joking.[/quote]
What you’ve done here is something that your Psychologist would call projecting. Ask him about it on your next visit. And no charge man.
You are right (a first I believe) there is no scientific means to judge it. And you can’t play basketball with a hockey puck (at least not very well). Science is about science and faith is about faith. When idiots like you show up on the board pushing Christians to “prove” the
existence of God you are trying to measure something that is immeasurable. And the funniest part is that you are trying to do it with your little brain. And I mean that in a broad sense as well as you specifically having a little brain.
And finally, that’s why I’ve said from the beginning that spiritual matters are about faith. As the Bible says it is impossible to please God without faith.
You’re doing it again. You are spewing back lines that I’ve used on you. No really how dumb is that? You are the king man. Thank you…lol I’m practically falling off my chair laughing at you. Oh man…keep it up. 
Not true genius (I’ll be watching if you call me genius in return:) if man writes and then follows said “evil” doctrine. So once again man being inherently evil will find ways to do evil. And he will do it in the name of God, or in the name of his motorcycle group. It doesn’t matter.
Grrrr…but who wrote the doctrine genius? And most importantly who is interpreting said doctrine? LMAO oops you didn’t think that far ahead did you? Oh that’s a shame huh?..you have to learn to think ahead. Wait…you have to learn to just think.
That doesn’t really matter because man will use whatever means possible to do evil. Be it through mans misinterpretation of scriptures, or through his own ideology. DUHHHHH do you follow yet? You are cracking me up with this blather.
I’m going to once again guess that he’d help you with your OCD, porno addiction and alcoholism. If you ask me again I’ll probably say something similar as I really think he would help you if you would cry out to him instead of trying to do it yourself. We both know that you’ve made a mess of your life so far. So why not give it a try things can only get better from here for you if you try.
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
I just replied to the class clown [/quote]
Says the man who cannot understand the concept that an imperfect sinful man can pollute each and every doctrine shown him. Do you realize how many posts that it has taken me to get you to understand just this one little thing? Not agree with it, just UNDERSTAND IT. You are a very strange mix of hubris and ignorance. A very bad combination indeed.
Now boys, why don’y you just run along and get your homework done before dinner…
[quote]forbes wrote:
The problem I have with ignorant atheists is that they’re…ignorant.[/quote]
Now how can anyone be ignorant who cuts and pastes his answers, steals lines from the person he’s debating with and uses as his primary means of attack logical fallacies? Come on now forbes you’re being overly harsh.
Well, that’s exactly what I’ve being try to explain to stupid for a few pages now. Let’s hope that it sinks in his helmet head so that I don’t have to repeat myself endlessly. Granted he does strike a comical cord with me but yeah he’s getting just a tad overbearing.
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
You can’t even understand this…wow. It’s a simple courtesy that I’m paying to DD. He, like everyone else, should be made aware that you are a total fraud. [/quote]
You’re a chorus of one ZEB. And a broken record of strawmen and ad hominems. You’re brilliant! But What Would Jesus Do?[/quote]
Says the king of strawmen and logical fallacies.
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Another spitball? ZEB you’re going to get detention ya lil runt.[/quote]
I’m trying to remember when I used the term “spitball” or was that a word you took from another poster? No wait…I forgot you don’t use other peoples words on purpose. You read them and then when you type you think of them again all by yourself. Yeah.
Once again I think that he would help you with your OCD, porno and alcohol addictions. He is God he can do all things why don’t you ask for help?
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
Projecting again ZEB?[/quote]
You did it again!! WOW…I just accused you of projecting and HERE IT IS thrown back at me. Do you ever ever have an original thought? LMAO…I have to share your idiocy with my wife she too will get a kick out of your shear ignorance. LOL…You are the gift that just keeps giving.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
You’re a pathetic little man. I feel sorry for you. And I’m not joking.[/quote]
What you’ve done here is something that your Psychologist would call projecting. Ask him about it on your next visit. And no charge man.
You are right (a first I believe) there is no scientific means to judge it. And you can’t play basketball with a hockey puck (at least not very well). Science is about science and faith is about faith. When idiots like you show up on the board pushing Christians to “prove” the
existence of God you are trying to measure something that is immeasurable. And the funniest part is that you are trying to do it with your little brain. And I mean that in a broad sense as well as you specifically having a little brain.
And finally, that’s why I’ve said from the beginning that spiritual matters are about faith. As the Bible says it is impossible to please God without faith.
You’re doing it again. You are spewing back lines that I’ve used on you. No really how dumb is that? You are the king man. Thank you…lol I’m practically falling off my chair laughing at you. Oh man…keep it up.
Not true genius (I’ll be watching if you call me genius in return:) if man writes and then follows said “evil” doctrine. So once again man being inherently evil will find ways to do evil. And he will do it in the name of God, or in the name of his motorcycle group. It doesn’t matter.
Grrrr…but who wrote the doctrine genius? And most importantly who is interpreting said doctrine? LMAO oops you didn’t think that far ahead did you? Oh that’s a shame huh?..you have to learn to think ahead. Wait…you have to learn to just think.
That doesn’t really matter because man will use whatever means possible to do evil. Be it through mans misinterpretation of scriptures, or through his own ideology. DUHHHHH do you follow yet? You are cracking me up with this blather.
I’m going to once again guess that he’d help you with your OCD, porno addiction and alcoholism. If you ask me again I’ll probably say something similar as I really think he would help you if you would cry out to him instead of trying to do it yourself. We both know that you’ve made a mess of your life so far. So why not give it a try things can only get better from here for you if you try.
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ZEB you’re pathetic.
Are you admitting that scripture is written by man and is fallible?
Seems you’re late on the projecting comment. You’re not as smart as you think.
I understand faith. Even though I have never met you, I am complete faith that you are a gaping, chafed, infected asshole.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
I just replied to the class clown [/quote]
Says the man who cannot understand the concept that an imperfect sinful man can pollute each and every doctrine shown him. Do you realize how many posts that it has taken me to get you to understand just this one little thing? Not agree with it, just UNDERSTAND IT. You are a very strange mix of hubris and ignorance. A very bad combination indeed.
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My God, pun intended, you’re a broken record. Are YOU drinking? You thought the first time you used “a strange mix of hubris and ignorance” it was so good you’d use it again? Let me guess, you just learned how to use “hubris” in a sentence recently?
So are you saying that scripture is polluted?
What about the infallibility of the Pope? Are you up to the task of defending certain Papal careers?
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]forbes wrote:
The problem I have with ignorant atheists is that they’re…ignorant.[/quote]
Now how can anyone be ignorant who cuts and pastes his answers, steals lines from the person he’s debating with and uses as his primary means of attack logical fallacies? Come on now forbes you’re being overly harsh.
Well, that’s exactly what I’ve being try to explain to stupid for a few pages now. Let’s hope that it sinks in his helmet head so that I don’t have to repeat myself endlessly. Granted he does strike a comical cord with me but yeah he’s getting just a tad overbearing.
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It’s so lonely being you isn’t it? Trying to enlist Forbes now? DD wouldn’t sign up for your special ed class and now you’re trying to get Forbes? You’re an army of one lil man. Stand on your own two feet ya lil mental midget. Any retard can see thru your cheap attempts to inhibit any discourse that does not agree with your small minded dogma with your ceaseless and cowardly personal attacks. If you were standing in front of me now, I’d slap you like the mouthy bitch that you are and send you on your way.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
You can’t even understand this…wow. It’s a simple courtesy that I’m paying to DD. He, like everyone else, should be made aware that you are a total fraud. [/quote]
You’re a chorus of one ZEB. And a broken record of strawmen and ad hominems. You’re brilliant! But What Would Jesus Do?[/quote]
Says the king of strawmen and logical fallacies.
[/quote]
Another spitball? ZEB you’re going to get detention ya lil runt.[/quote]
I’m trying to remember when I used the term “spitball” or was that a word you took from another poster? No wait…I forgot you don’t use other peoples words on purpose. You read them and then when you type you think of them again all by yourself. Yeah.
Once again I think that he would help you with your OCD, porno and alcohol addictions. He is God he can do all things why don’t you ask for help?
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I just asked him, with open heart, to shut your little cunt mouth. And here you are, the energizer bunny of cowardice and intellectual dishonesty. The master of obfuscation by personal attack and bullshit. Are things that bad at home? Is your wife so emasculating that you come here to pick “fights”? Isn’t it time for you to wash the dishes?
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
I just replied to the class clown [/quote]
Says the man who cannot understand the concept that an imperfect sinful man can pollute each and every doctrine shown him. Do you realize how many posts that it has taken me to get you to understand just this one little thing? Not agree with it, just UNDERSTAND IT. You are a very strange mix of hubris and ignorance. A very bad combination indeed.
[/quote]
My God, pun intended, you’re a broken record. Are YOU drinking? You thought the first time you used “a strange mix of hubris and ignorance” it was so good you’d use it again? Let me guess, you just learned how to use “hubris” in a sentence recently?
So are you saying that scripture is polluted?
What about the infallibility of the Pope? Are you up to the task of defending certain Papal careers? [/quote]
Scripture doesn’t teach about the papacy (man made tradition does though). Anyways, I am not attacking Catholic beliefs and am not trying to start an argument (so forgive me please BC and Pat), but I do not believe in the Vicar of Christ, and therefore papal infallibility. Neither does ZEB.
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
You’re a pathetic little man. I feel sorry for you. And I’m not joking.[/quote]
What you’ve done here is something that your Psychologist would call projecting. Ask him about it on your next visit. And no charge man.
You are right (a first I believe) there is no scientific means to judge it. And you can’t play basketball with a hockey puck (at least not very well). Science is about science and faith is about faith. When idiots like you show up on the board pushing Christians to “prove” the
existence of God you are trying to measure something that is immeasurable. And the funniest part is that you are trying to do it with your little brain. And I mean that in a broad sense as well as you specifically having a little brain.
And finally, that’s why I’ve said from the beginning that spiritual matters are about faith. As the Bible says it is impossible to please God without faith.
You’re doing it again. You are spewing back lines that I’ve used on you. No really how dumb is that? You are the king man. Thank you…lol I’m practically falling off my chair laughing at you. Oh man…keep it up.
Not true genius (I’ll be watching if you call me genius in return:) if man writes and then follows said “evil” doctrine. So once again man being inherently evil will find ways to do evil. And he will do it in the name of God, or in the name of his motorcycle group. It doesn’t matter.
Grrrr…but who wrote the doctrine genius? And most importantly who is interpreting said doctrine? LMAO oops you didn’t think that far ahead did you? Oh that’s a shame huh?..you have to learn to think ahead. Wait…you have to learn to just think.
That doesn’t really matter because man will use whatever means possible to do evil. Be it through mans misinterpretation of scriptures, or through his own ideology. DUHHHHH do you follow yet? You are cracking me up with this blather.
I’m going to once again guess that he’d help you with your OCD, porno addiction and alcoholism. If you ask me again I’ll probably say something similar as I really think he would help you if you would cry out to him instead of trying to do it yourself. We both know that you’ve made a mess of your life so far. So why not give it a try things can only get better from here for you if you try.
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ZEB you’re pathetic.
Are you admitting that scripture is written by man and is fallible? [/quote]
Oh my gosh please tell me you’re kidding. No really. Do I have to actually say it again? OMG.
I will but…I just can’t get over your blind stupidity.
Here we go for something like the 8th time you very, very stupid man.
MAN is inherently evil. This really doesn’t have anything to do with anything else. I know you want to attack Christianity but this has to do with man, nothing else. MAN!! Do you get it? MAN IS INHERENTLY EVIL. Therefore, when he reads scripture, a history book, a comic book whatever, he, as in MAN errs.
Now before you do anything else, tell me you understand this. You don’t have to agree but at least understand it. No one can be this stupid. Really.
No, I nailed it. I said it to you two posts later you said it back to me. You repeat what other people say. Cortes also accused you of this on another thread. It’s what you do. I think it’s what all dumb people do who are at a loss for words.
Ha ha…I know the truth is really hard to swallow sometimes. But you’ve been pretending too long around here and it’s about time someone called you on it. We had a meeting and I volunteered. So you are either going to have to put up with having your inane posts exposed or stop posting. And knowing that you are OCD we both know that you won’t stop posting so here we are and here we will be for a very long time to come.
Having fun yet? I am.
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
I just replied to the class clown [/quote]
Says the man who cannot understand the concept that an imperfect sinful man can pollute each and every doctrine shown him. Do you realize how many posts that it has taken me to get you to understand just this one little thing? Not agree with it, just UNDERSTAND IT. You are a very strange mix of hubris and ignorance. A very bad combination indeed.
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So are you saying that scripture is polluted?[/quote]
Hahahahaha…LMAO you’re kidding me, come on (looks for a hidden camera). At this point a 5 year old would understand a simple sentence, that is man is inherently evil but not you. WOW-----WOW!
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
If you were standing in front of me now, I’d slap you like the mouthy bitch that you are and send you on your way.[/quote]
YES! You did it.
You threatened to beat me up. Just like in that other thread you were on where you wanted to meet yet another person who thought you were a fraud. It went something like this (not verbatim):
“I live in Jersey, you live in Jersey? We can meet. I don’t pretend to know how to box but I’ve had my share of fights. You want to try me?”
LOL you are priceless man! You are the very definition of message board warrior. You are it. I don’t know how you sink any lower. I am just enjoying the heck right out of this whole confrontation.
Say more dumb stuff the night is till young.
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
You can’t even understand this…wow. It’s a simple courtesy that I’m paying to DD. He, like everyone else, should be made aware that you are a total fraud. [/quote]
You’re a chorus of one ZEB. And a broken record of strawmen and ad hominems. You’re brilliant! But What Would Jesus Do?[/quote]
Says the king of strawmen and logical fallacies.
[/quote]
Another spitball? ZEB you’re going to get detention ya lil runt.[/quote]
I’m trying to remember when I used the term “spitball” or was that a word you took from another poster? No wait…I forgot you don’t use other peoples words on purpose. You read them and then when you type you think of them again all by yourself. Yeah.
Once again I think that he would help you with your OCD, porno and alcohol addictions. He is God he can do all things why don’t you ask for help?
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I just asked him, with open heart, to shut your little cunt mouth. And here you are, the energizer bunny of cowardice[/quote]
Hey you brought a new word into play that someone else has not yet used. Cowardice. Very good, now tell me how it applies to me. Make sure that when you explain that you use complete sentences and you actually make sense. Now do it right because if you fail I won’t go easy on you.