[quote]testolius wrote:
Have been running 125mg sust e3d…
Have just learned that I will travelling out of the US for about 6 wks beginning in about 4-6 wks. Obviously, carrying gear will be a problem, so I need to go off pretty quick.
Can I just stop ‘cold turkey’ and allow for the naturally long half-life of sust to provide the taper? …or should I switch to increasingly diminishing doses of test-p?[/quote]
Test I was running 125mg EOD (I would recommend switching to EOD if you can)and I have decided to come off, also due to travelling, although on paper you cannot really do a taper with sustanon I tried anyway and it worked well for me.
I have run 6 cycles previous and this was the easiest time I have had coming off.
My protocol to come off was to inject 1/4 ml EOD (60mg) and when I stopped I started a novladex PCT after just one week at 40mg a day, I also injected 150mg HCG E3D for 2 weeks. I have lost a little mass since coming off maybe some was water weight too.
But my libido has not been effected in fact it is improved and I have not lost any motivation.
I have 2 more weeks till I travel and I will go down to 20mg novladex for the last week and I should be drug free for my travels.
[quote] JJ wrote:
EE… i am afraid that your current libido etc has no bearing on how well you will/wont recover.
MOST guys still have libido on Tamox ('specially if used HCG) but often its when that stops after a 20mg a day dose then the libido crashes…
All’s i am saying is - it isnt proof that your taper/pct has worked fella.
JJ[/quote]
Ok mate cheers for that, this is the best I have felt during PCT period though so I am hoping for the best.
The HCG definatley has helped, first time I have tried it.
After 4 weeks of tamoxPCT would you not expect me to have some amount of natural test back?
I hope I will be fine after the tamox as I don’t want to feel shitty on holiday, although it may be a blessing in disguise, some of these cheeky greek birds give me the right horn on the beach, not really helpful sat next to the father in law!
haha
You may… you may be really sorted mate… i dunno. I am just saying that the nolvadex (and hcg) does get the testes/HPTA working, but they can stop on cessasion of the drugs.
I have used nolvadex in a 40/40/20/20/20 cycle and the week i stopped, libido dropped. For a long time too…
HCG is great - i am actually looking into another type of test taper with HCG at the moment, and it is looking promising too… but i need to research it more and see if i can adapt it at all/need to adapt it at all.
Also, the good thing about going on holiday when you are - the sun, sand, sea should help to keep your ‘spirits’ up a little.
I would be seriously tempted to take something with me, at least nolvadex - i took nolvadex to portugal with me before.
You unlikely to get done with anything with 30x20mg tamox - even research chems man… and cialis. proviron… all those make for an ok time on hols
[quote] JJ wrote:
You may… you may be really sorted mate… i dunno. I am just saying that the nolvadex (and hcg) does get the testes/HPTA working, but they can stop on cessasion of the drugs.
I have used nolvadex in a 40/40/20/20/20 cycle and the week i stopped, libido dropped. For a long time too…
HCG is great - i am actually looking into another type of test taper with HCG at the moment, and it is looking promising too… but i need to research it more and see if i can adapt it at all/need to adapt it at all.
Also, the good thing about going on holiday when you are - the sun, sand, sea should help to keep your ‘spirits’ up a little. I would be seriously tempted to take something with me, at least nolvadex - i took nolvadex to portugal with me before.
You unlikely to get done with anything with 30x20mg tamox - even research chems man… and cialis. proviron… all those make for an ok time on hols
J[/quote]
Thanks J, I will certainley do that just in case, I will be taking some metformin anyway.
I have invested in some mountainering gear and I plan to leave the family at the beach and do a fair bit of climbing/hiking, so hopefully that will boost me too.
No worries Max, I get the same thing with my sust. Sometimes worse then others but usually pretty damn sore. (no swelling or redness either by the way)
[quote]BMC85 wrote:
No worries Max, I get the same thing with my sust. Sometimes worse then others but usually pretty damn sore. (no swelling or redness either by the way)
bmc[/quote]
It’s been four days though now and it still hurts like a motherfucker. I injected in my glute yeterday and it’s not nearly as sore.
Chill out mate… i have been limping the past 4 days due to a thigh shot. It took a day of training from me, and i STILL have to tackle stairs one at a time. I looked like i shat my pants yesterday walking about town.
Couple days before that i looked like nothing short of a leper.
I filtered the gear and baked it - so we’ll see, good job i have a back up.
How often you injecting? If 3x pw or so… stick to glutes maybe?
[quote] Brook wrote:
Chill out mate… i have been limping the past 4 days due to a thigh shot. It took a day of training from me, and i STILL have to tackle stairs one at a time. I looked like i shat my pants yesterday walking about town.
Couple days before that i looked like nothing short of a leper.
I filtered the gear and baked it - so we’ll see, good job i have a back up.
How often you injecting? If 3x pw or so… stick to glutes maybe?[/quote]
You’re starting to scare me, JJ. And I have seen a lot of others dread about thigh shots. I actually thought that thigh injections would be my favorites. Are they really that bad that you will be limping around and it will affect your workouts? I hope that this isn’t the case for me.
[quote] Brook wrote:
Chill out mate… i have been limping the past 4 days due to a thigh shot. It took a day of training from me, and i STILL have to tackle stairs one at a time. I looked like i shat my pants yesterday walking about town.
Couple days before that i looked like nothing short of a leper.
I filtered the gear and baked it - so we’ll see, good job i have a back up.
How often you injecting? If 3x pw or so… stick to glutes maybe?[/quote]
I’m injecting every 3 days. Definitely sticking to glutes from now on.
The true half life of sust has to be the half life of the longest ester doesnt it? Although there are several ‘drop-off points’ between injection and the total life of the drug(s).
But if you are referring to simply - how long will it last - then it is the half life of decanoate, the longest ester in sust. Although, at the half life of the Deca ester, there will be a higher blood concentration of test because there should still be someisocaproate, some phenylpropionate and probably the propionate still, at that time.
