Why Do You Hate the US Military?

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Obama: Same as Bush?

“Any doubt that the Military Industrial Complex is as strong as ever should be removed after examining Obama?s 2010 budget just put forth. It calls for 26% more in spending on Defense than President Bush spent in 2006. The Soviet Union collapsed in 1989, leaving the United States as the only remaining superpower on earth. Since 1990, the United States has depleted the U.S. Treasury of $7 trillion for spending on Defense. With no military on earth capable of challenging us why would there be a need to spend this much on the military? Over this same time frame the U.S. spent $360 billion on science, space & technology and $52 billion on energy, a mere 6% of the spending on killing machines. Military expenditures benefit humanity in no way. If these trillions had been invested by the private sector or devoted to energy and scientific research, our economy might not be a hollowed out shell dependent on China and oil exporting countries. Nationalists argue that the Defense industry employs millions and benefits the country. These companies employ brilliant engineers and scientists who spend their days developing things that kill people more efficiently. If they had been employed developing electric cars, solar power, wind power, nuclear power, an efficient electric grid, infrastructure upgrades, or finding a cure for Alzheimer?s, would the United States be better off today?”

http://theburningplatform.com/economy/war-pigs---cost-of-a-global-empire-1

We know its going to be a ‘National Socialist’ type world, heavy on the Socialism with powerful militaries to back it up. Its going to happen whether anyone here likes it or not. May as well join up NOW, you young gents, and be part of those who rule.

OK, so let me get this straight- when Clinton dropped the military budget, he was a douchebag and destroyed the military. When W. got us into two wars and increased military spending heavily, he was a saint sent to destroy islam. Now that Obama is raising the budget (which I don’t really know because I don’t trust your bullshit website, but let’s just say it’s half-true) he’s a national socialist bent on world domination.

Moron.

Join the army? Nah Headhunter, I think I’ve got a nasty case of asthma flaring up. They still let you out for that, don’t they?[/quote]

You’re in strong denial about becoming a conservative. See? I knew once you got out into the real world that you lose the Lib stuff.

Obama is spending just as much as Georgie boy. Live with it.

You better hope you have asthma — the Dems are going to bring back the draft, in the form of house bill HR 1388. Maybe they’ll put you to work in the ‘mass publishing business’, you know, putting ads under windshield wipers.

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[quote]lixy wrote:
GDI Inc wrote:
I have no respect for the republican party at this point. Fact is, on 911 we were attacked by Saudi Arabia. Not only were most off the attackers Saudi’s, there state sponsored religion preaches jihad on America and funded the attack.

Saudi Arabia is definitely more to blame for Al-Qaeda and similar groups than Afghanistan. They have been flooding the world with Wahabism for decades (thanks to oil money).

And seriously, if the republican party got a pass on national security until 9-12-01, how in the hell do they criticize Obama now?

Well…he did vote for the extension of the “PATRIOT” act.[/quote]

Hmmm…Obama doesn’t seem in a hurry to get rid of the Patriot Act.

Obama spends more than Bush ever did, surges more troops to a foreign land, and seems quite content with the Patriot Act. Shall we call this Bush’s ‘3rd term’?

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[quote]orion wrote:
Growing_Boy wrote:
I will always support brave souls doing the dirty work of a politician bent on impressing daddy.

So when someone in power decides to kill a few thousand people and he has trained killers at his command to carry out his wishes you support them?

Would you also support the Manson family?

And to those who say they got the short end of the stick, well no, they grabbed it and they are fully responsible for that decision.

If you decide to kill someone you never met, because someone else tells you to, hiding behind a flag and a uniform will not do, because both are essentially nothing but glorified pieces of cloth.
theres a couple of things here, 1. we don’t kill anything! we engage and destroy anything foregin and domestic. if you would get your pussy ass out of the news papers and into a uniform you would know that. the mansons come on is that how you compare the military. so the military is a cult now? wow thats what you think of our military these days. see now it’s people like you that gets shit mixed up in the media. believe what you hear and not what you expierence. if you have weapons that could cause any threat to the us shit well then come on in to our country we’ll except you.so thats also another thing that your saying. thats one of the purposes of having a military. so shit like that doesn’t happen. dumb ass.
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[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Hmmm…Obama doesn’t seem in a hurry to get rid of the Patriot Act.[/quote]

Nope. Governments seldom give away their newly acquired powers.

I would wait for him to invade a country before calling it that.

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[quote]Gkhan wrote:
lixy wrote:
Take China for instance. Many people are bashing it for Tibet, Or Russia for last year’s beef with Georgia. And rightly so. Well, what the US has done in Iraq is not even on the same level because there was no possible justification for an invasion. The US and Iraq are so far apart, it’s not even remotely comparable. If China had 700 military bases overseas, invading and bombing people on the other side of the globe willy-nilly, you can bet your ass that I’ll be on them like hair on soap. But they’re not (yet?).

Bottomline, the case can be (and is) made that the US uses terrorism. It may not be as bad as Al-Qaeda or the Contras, but it’s terrorism nonetheless.

As far as spheres of interest go, is the US in Afghanistan’s sphere of interest? They attacked us.

You feel that Russia sticks to it’s sphere of interest? Is Russia or America closer to South and Central America?

Is China close to Canada or Nigeria or Sudan?

Is Argentina in Lebanon’s sphere of interest, or at least Hezbollah’s or Iran’s.

If not for Russia, where would all these terrorists get weapons? Show me some terrorists using American manufactured weapons and I’ll believe you. I’ve yet to see one pic.
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OG 2001 Terrorist. CIA was unable to buy back all the stingers Wilson sent to them during the 80s. Not only did the mujadeeeen turn their backs on us (and vice versa) but they sold a bunch on the black market to people who probably aren’t our allies.

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I will never hate the military of any country they just do what they are told.

But the thing I dislike about the USA and there use of the military is how thin you guys are spread. You have troops all over the world and you feel it’s your god given right to fix other countries. Troops on deployment get paid more so thats more money from the budget that is given to defense when there is no need for it.

When you have the highest homeless rate in the western world your crime rate is a disgrace and your gun policy is well i wont get started there i know its a touchy subject, you guys must really enjoy high school shootings. Spending so much money on defense I have no Idea how your country stands for it.

Rome fell from spreading itself to thin and I think the usa will as well.

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[quote]jzzz wrote:
I will never hate the military of any country they just do what they are told.

But the thing I dislike about the USA and there use of the military is how thin you guys are spread. You have troops all over the world and you feel it’s your god given right to fix other countries. Troops on deployment get paid more so thats more money from the budget that is given to defense when there is no need for it.

When you have the highest homeless rate in the western world your crime rate is a disgrace and your gun policy is well i wont get started there i know its a touchy subject, you guys must really enjoy high school shootings. Spending so much money on defense I have no Idea how your country stands for it.

Rome fell from spreading itself to thin and I think the usa will as well.[/quote]

Gun control does not fit into that little rant at all. Anywhere. It doesn’t cost us billions from the budget and is a granted right in the Constitution. So switch your focus amigo.

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There is so much revisionist history going on. Clinton cut the military budget with the support of most of the republican party. The idea was we had would win the wars and NATO would be on board for the occupation. The US military was not built to be an occupying force, this is why so many went for so long without body armor or vehicles up to IEDs. Hell, the Brits required better equipped vehicles to patrol Northern Ireland then the US provided our soldiers in Iraq…which is more dangerous, Belfast or Baghdad?

The troops really were thrown under the bus by Bush. I knew a 45 year old guy in the reserves, owned a body shop, 2 kids, and he got pulled back twice. The fine print on that recall stuff screwed alot of people real bad. I currently live near a base and I see guys with amputations and it just burns my ass. This war was all about oil, not terrorism.

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[quote]PB-Crawl wrote:
Gkhan wrote:
lixy wrote:
Take China for instance. Many people are bashing it for Tibet, Or Russia for last year’s beef with Georgia. And rightly so. Well, what the US has done in Iraq is not even on the same level because there was no possible justification for an invasion. The US and Iraq are so far apart, it’s not even remotely comparable. If China had 700 military bases overseas, invading and bombing people on the other side of the globe willy-nilly, you can bet your ass that I’ll be on them like hair on soap. But they’re not (yet?).

Bottomline, the case can be (and is) made that the US uses terrorism. It may not be as bad as Al-Qaeda or the Contras, but it’s terrorism nonetheless.

As far as spheres of interest go, is the US in Afghanistan’s sphere of interest? They attacked us.

You feel that Russia sticks to it’s sphere of interest? Is Russia or America closer to South and Central America?

Is China close to Canada or Nigeria or Sudan?

Is Argentina in Lebanon’s sphere of interest, or at least Hezbollah’s or Iran’s.

If not for Russia, where would all these terrorists get weapons? Show me some terrorists using American manufactured weapons and I’ll believe you. I’ve yet to see one pic.

OG 2001 Terrorist. CIA was unable to buy back all the stingers Wilson sent to them during the 80s. Not only did the mujadeeeen turn their backs on us (and vice versa) but they sold a bunch on the black market to people who probably aren’t our allies.[/quote]

Why did’nt they just order a massive factory recall?

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[quote]PB-Crawl wrote:
OG 2001 Terrorist. CIA was unable to buy back all the stingers Wilson sent to them during the 80s. Not only did the mujadeeeen turn their backs on us (and vice versa) but they sold a bunch on the black market to people who probably aren’t our allies.[/quote]

Good call.

Hindsight is 20/20. I suppose we should have let the Russians devistate the Afghan rebels from the air. Way things turned out, it seems like it would have been a good plan. . . . only not in 1984.

The majority of the terrorist’s weapons are clearly Russian made.

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The post still stands i just didnt know how your funding works as I am not from the usa.

But with all the money you country spends on on defence could be used to clean up the streets or do you like the fact that you have a massive crime rate and homeless rate?

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[quote]jzzz wrote:
The post still stands i just didnt know how your funding works as I am not from the usa.

But with all the money you country spends on on defence could be used to clean up the streets or do you like the fact that you have a massive crime rate and homeless rate?[/quote]

If our country didn’t spend so much money on defense, yours wouldn’t be allowed to govern itself.

Remember that.

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

If our country didn’t spend so much money on defense, yours wouldn’t be allowed to govern itself.

Remember that. [/quote]

And don’t you forget we have had many killed in every major conflict in our quest to govern ourself’s as well.

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[quote]aussie486 wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:

If our country didn’t spend so much money on defense, yours wouldn’t be allowed to govern itself.

Remember that.

And don’t you forget we have had many killed in every major conflict in our quest to govern ourself’s as well.

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I’m not saying they didn’t.

But Americans have died by the hundreds of thousands to keep yours, and many other countries, free from oppression.

Our fathers and grandfathers have died on beaches and in forests all over the earth to give you the right of self-determination. So watch who’s defense budget you insult, because yours obviously ain’t quite big enough.

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[quote]SkinAndBones wrote:
What is the overall opion from the general public about today’s armed forces??[/quote]

It’s not really the military (or the individuals) I “hate”. It’s the people who get to wield its power…

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“If you cant stand behind our troops, try standing in front of them”

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[quote]aussie486 wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:

If our country didn’t spend so much money on defense, yours wouldn’t be allowed to govern itself.

Remember that.

And don’t you forget we have had many killed in every major conflict in our quest to govern ourself’s as well.

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+1. I’ve been a big fan of the Aussie military. You guys have been a very squared away group.

mike

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[quote]jzzz wrote:
I will never hate the military of any country they just do what they are told.[/quote]

Yeah, that didn’t work at Nuremburg.[quote]

But the thing I dislike about the USA and there use of the military is how thin you guys are spread. You have troops all over the world and you feel it’s your god given right to fix other countries. Troops on deployment get paid more so thats more money from the budget that is given to defense when there is no need for it.[/quote]

No, it isn’t our right to fix other countries, rather as the biggest kid on the block we have a duty to stop atrocities. And we aren’t even close to stretched too thin.[quote]

When you have the highest homeless rate in the western world your crime rate is a disgrace and your gun policy is well i wont get started there i know its a touchy subject, you guys must really enjoy high school shootings. Spending so much money on defense I have no Idea how your country stands for it.[/quote]

You know, all the Aussies I’ve met in person have been great folks, but with a few exceptions the Aussies on T-mag are pathetic. This is the shit I was talking about with the thread about the queen. I’m sure you’ll be sufficiently flamed for this level of arrogance, so I won’t hit the point by point.[quote]

Rome fell from spreading itself to thin and I think the usa will as well.[/quote]

Well I take great comfort then in knowing that when America goes down we needn’t fear Australian “help”.

mike

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[quote]Growing_Boy wrote:
I will always support brave souls doing the dirty work of a politician bent on impressing daddy. [/quote]

^

All soldiers get my respect. Regardless of if they are “right” or “wrong”.
Politicians on the other hand…

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
jzzz wrote:
The post still stands i just didnt know how your funding works as I am not from the usa.

But with all the money you country spends on on defence could be used to clean up the streets or do you like the fact that you have a massive crime rate and homeless rate?

If our country didn’t spend so much money on defense, yours wouldn’t be allowed to govern itself.

Remember that. [/quote]

This is bullshit and you know it.