[quote]Angelbutt wrote:
havoc501 wrote:
i see what your saying but it still stands.if grains are optimal,why can ppl not sustain health by eating them and them only?it can be done on meat.
I never said grains are a wonder food. I’m just pointing out their benefits. I certianly don’t think that people can sustain good health by eating just grains. That is disproven every day in starving countries. However, whole grains are very nutritious, bottom line.
Can people sustain health on only meat? How are you defining health? And is this short-term health or long-term health. A life of only eating meat will surely catch up to you in old age. Meat has very few vitamins beyond the B complex, some trace minerals, no fiber, and saturated fat (excluding fish). That is the perfect setup for chronic disease.
I’ve worked in an assisted living center for the elderly as a dietary aide. I knew what conditions the residents had, and I saw what they ate. In almost every case, the connection was apparent. I’ve also had numerous meat-loving family members (on both sides, blood and through marriage, so genetics is likely not to blame) who have either died at a young age or are currently suffering. Heart disease, diverticulitis, and colon cancer, were the culprits - all diseases associated with high intake of meat, red meat specifically. I like eating meat and enjoy beef once in a while like everybody else, but these experiences speak loudly to me.
i have no numbers but i would bet food allergies are mostly to grains,legumes,and milk foremost with shellfish and eggs to a lesser extent.again this is my opinion,so if you do know of something that contardicts this
please point me in the right direction.i’m looking for answers just like everyone else.
I mentioned in a previous post that 75% of allergies are caused by eggs, peanuts, and milk. The bulk of that I would presume is milk, since a very large proportion of the world is lactose intolerant. Peanuts are actually a legume, so yes, many people are allergic to legumes, specifically peanuts. Other legume allergies are rare, however.
Back to the original question of this thread: Carbs might not be necessary for survival in the short-run. But if you spent your life never eating a carbohydrate, how long of a life do you think you’ll have? Your diet would be void of fiber, vitamins, minerals, and phytochemicals, including antioxidants. Considering this, I think that yes, carbohydrates are essential.
Sustaining life is more than having enough glucose to fuel your brain. It’s about warding off disease and having the right resources in the right amounts for your body to continue to function. Meat can’t do it all, fat can’t do it all, and carbohydrates can’t do it all. They’re all important. They’re all essential.[/quote]
well i want to see studies on disease where there is a seperation.i hear different studies saying meat did this or this,but i’m willing to bet anything the ppl who were being studied were eating grains as well as meat.so how is it determined meat as the culprit?we were told sat. fats found in beef and eggs causes high cholesterol,yet we now know that high fat,high protein diets do exactly the opposite.harvards study on atkins v.s. the ama diet.i want to see trials done where ppl ate meat and veg. and the other group ate grains and veg. and a group that ate both.
and inuits lived healthy lives for a very long time.i’ve hear talk of the health of the polynesians(sp?)went down hill after the americanization to there culture and the introduction of grains.
and are there any vitamins or minerals that are found in grains that can’t be obtained from vegetables and meat?if not,then the grain carbs should be deemed inferior because of their side effects.migraines are now being found to caused by gluten,an off shoot of celiacs disease
.kids with epilpsy who didn’t respond to meds, reduced or stopped their seizures on a ketogenic diet. scores of ppl who on atkins and similar diets feeling relief from arthritis while on a high fat diet.more and more data coming in all the time on the ills of grains.
now back to the subject.jerry branium did an article where he stated that in the absence of carbs and therefore insulin,that igf-1 would shuttle amino acids into the muscle after exercise.
larry scott and alot of old time bbers talk of rheo blairs heavy cream conncoctions and how they grew like babies.
i remember reading something about a certain powerlifting or olympic lifting team that ate a high fat diet.when asked why and if they were worried about the health of the athletes they simply said we are only concerned about results and that the teams lifts did better on a high fat diet.
i don’t know the answer,but i know this nutrition stuff is interesting as hell.
