[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
Let me know when you’re ready to start. [/quote]
We’ve already begun and you have not yet made one compelling argument. Moreover, you’ve not even made one logical point. But the bluster continues.
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And what will your argument be other than to quote scripture?[/quote]
Please Mr. tough guy point out where and when I’ve quoted scripture. At this point I’m still trying to get you to actually make sense.
And while I’m thinking of it keep in mind that when you cut and paste anything I quote do so with date and time included copied from the actual post. Pulling things out of our many exchanges and attributing them to me will not work, as you tried to do on another thread. I know you despise logic but please show some respect for proof.
When you deliver a coherent thought that is not rambling, and when you drop the logical fallacies I will respond to the point. What I’m trying to say is please make sense.
For about the fourth time little one, all we have are our words to communicate. If you cannot make sense with those words then they need to be questioned.
As I’ve repeatedly told you Christianity needs no defense from the likes of you. You’re an angry man who plays the Internet tough guy. When you challenged someone to a fight in the other thread that we are on you showed your true colors. You have nothing, really you don’t.
Then I’m sure you can imagine how God finds your typical behavior.
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WELL ZEB, TO BE ACCURATE, AFTER MUCH NEEDLING FROM YOU, THIS IS THE START OF THE HOSTILITIES, INCLUDING A CLEAR REFERENCE TO TROUBLES WE HAD IN ANOTHER THREAD. ARE YOU PLAYING THE VICTIM HERE? PULLED YOUR PANTIES DOWN AND THEN CRIED RAPE?
REALLY?[/quote]
No actually that was you exploding after me trying to get you to make sense. But then that’s always been your problem. You can see what’s being said to you, but you don’t always acknowledge your part in the process. Just like the many posts that you chose to respond with here, when one would do. And just like the capital letters when lower case letters would have done nicely. But that’s what you do, yet you never see it. Oh and I see you ended with your usual female reference put down. Yeah…these are the things you do.
Anyway, my point is you did in fact attack me it’s all over this thread and others. If you want to play the “you started it” game, let’s begin. I maintain that while I was schooling you in logic you pretty much blew your top, as you continue to do.
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I’m not blowing my top dear Christian.
You engaged in a campaign of “Changing the Subject” - “This tactic is generally used to avoid having to defend a claim. He reduces a thread to a series of personal attacks, thereby avoiding engaging in actual rebuttal. This tactic is diversionary in nature, and is often just obstructive, obtuse, or needling. For example, AEB has often quibbled in other threads about a poor analogy, or the grammar or spelling a person used. This tactic is an attempt to change the subject and make his target the object of ridicule (see number 7, False Consensus).”
You’re more interested in nit picking and needling instead of engaging in a dialogue, even after something ridiculous like grammar, or a poor analogy was clarified. You do it to avoid having to State a Claim, or make a substantive rebuttal. You’re a nit, and you’re a dick.
You have no interest in a dialogue, because you are apparently incapable of holding your end when you face opposition. The common theme with you in other threads (not involving me) is for you to engage in your Internet Guidebook for Fighting (that I have carefully illustrated above) when someone disagrees with or challenges you.
I don’t like you. I shall not apologize for any counter-punch to your ridiculous and endless needling and obstructive posts. You want a reaction, not dialogue.
When you get back on track, you’ll find me on the train. Until then, I’ll gladly sling mud with you Christian.
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
Let me know when you’re ready to start. [/quote]
We’ve already begun and you have not yet made one compelling argument. Moreover, you’ve not even made one logical point. But the bluster continues.
[/quote]
And what will your argument be other than to quote scripture?[/quote]
Please Mr. tough guy point out where and when I’ve quoted scripture. At this point I’m still trying to get you to actually make sense.
And while I’m thinking of it keep in mind that when you cut and paste anything I quote do so with date and time included copied from the actual post. Pulling things out of our many exchanges and attributing them to me will not work, as you tried to do on another thread. I know you despise logic but please show some respect for proof.
When you deliver a coherent thought that is not rambling, and when you drop the logical fallacies I will respond to the point. What I’m trying to say is please make sense.
For about the fourth time little one, all we have are our words to communicate. If you cannot make sense with those words then they need to be questioned.
As I’ve repeatedly told you Christianity needs no defense from the likes of you. You’re an angry man who plays the Internet tough guy. When you challenged someone to a fight in the other thread that we are on you showed your true colors. You have nothing, really you don’t.
Then I’m sure you can imagine how God finds your typical behavior.
[/quote]
WELL ZEB, TO BE ACCURATE, AFTER MUCH NEEDLING FROM YOU, THIS IS THE START OF THE HOSTILITIES, INCLUDING A CLEAR REFERENCE TO TROUBLES WE HAD IN ANOTHER THREAD. ARE YOU PLAYING THE VICTIM HERE? PULLED YOUR PANTIES DOWN AND THEN CRIED RAPE?
REALLY?[/quote]
No actually that was you exploding after me trying to get you to make sense. But then that’s always been your problem. You can see what’s being said to you, but you don’t always acknowledge your part in the process. Just like the many posts that you chose to respond with here, when one would do. And just like the capital letters when lower case letters would have done nicely. But that’s what you do, yet you never see it. Oh and I see you ended with your usual female reference put down. Yeah…these are the things you do.
Anyway, my point is you did in fact attack me it’s all over this thread and others. If you want to play the “you started it” game, let’s begin. I maintain that while I was schooling you in logic you pretty much blew your top, as you continue to do.
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I’m not blowing my top dear Christian.[/quote]
You’re not? Do you always try to dig up 8 year old posts from other people you’ve debated on the Internet? I have to admit I thought that was one (only one) of your less intelligent moves given your posting history. But yeah, you blew your top. And if I play my cards right you’ll blow your top again. Wanna bet?
I engaged in a campaign of trying to get you to make sense. I never once changed the subject. It’s just that you wanted to move forward and I kept correcting your many errors. And this by the way was the beginning of you blowing your top.
That’s what you’d like to believe I’m sure. That way you can keep that false image you have of yourself. But in reality I really did want you to make sense. Try as I might I just couldn’t do it. You were all over the road. Logical fallacies, incorrect analogies. Backing away from things said. It really was your fault. Honestly, if you want to have a discussion we can try again, but I warn you - YOU MUST MAKE SENSE.
And you never attack me right? Noooooo.
Opposition? You? LOL - Tell me how does one get such a distorted view of themselves? Do you ever read any of your posts BEFORE sending them?
First of all I think you have too much time on your hands. Maybe you need a part time job, or another hobby other than making home-made porn, and then teaching others how to do the same. And the few threads that I looked at where you were the star it always seemed to end with you berating a female and then calling someone a white knight for trying to defend said female. And two or three posters always end up ignoring you. I think that’s what you’ve come to expect. You mouth off to people and then they ignore you. Either way many of your threads end badly. Let me know when you want to go back to posting old threads because I have 3 or 4 of yours that really highlight your very, very ugly character traits. Threatening to beat people up, berating women, because they’re women. Bragging about how to pose women in porno movies. Yeah, they’re real beauties, and I found them right away. You must be a gold mine of crap talking. Anyway let me know when you want to start that again.
I can’t imagine that you would like anyone who holds a mirror up to that ugly personality of yours. But that’s okay somehow I’m going to muddle through this life without you on my good buddies list
Actually I didn’t, I really, really wanted you to make sense. But now, yeah I want a reaction and you are giving me some great ones. I want you to promise right now that you will never stop posting back to me as long as I keep answering you. Will you promise?
I laughed out loud with that one. I think at some point in your life your ego was run over by a train. And somehow you get your jollies by playing Internet tough guy. Most people have the good sense to ignore you after a while, but I just have to see how far you’ll go with your insistence on getting the final word. I’ve left plenty of posts not having the final word. In fact, I let you have that on our former thread thinking that it would appease you, but you cannot appease a coward and bully I should have known that huh? And now that I know it means so much to you I assure you that this will NEVER end. I want you to keep entertaining me, can you do that?
Of course you will this is what you do. Everything that you accuse me of you are actually guilty of. And you just can’t believe that someone is giving it back to you. Oh and I hope you are feeling okay you have not threatened to beat me up in 8 or 9 posts. Is this because you are TRYING to act like a normal person so that the others on the thread will continue to engage you thinking that you’re normal and actually not a fraud? Yeah, that’s probably it.
I do love how polite you are to the other posters now that I’ve called you out on it.
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
Let me know when you’re ready to start. [/quote]
We’ve already begun and you have not yet made one compelling argument. Moreover, you’ve not even made one logical point. But the bluster continues.
[/quote]
And what will your argument be other than to quote scripture?[/quote]
Please Mr. tough guy point out where and when I’ve quoted scripture. At this point I’m still trying to get you to actually make sense.
And while I’m thinking of it keep in mind that when you cut and paste anything I quote do so with date and time included copied from the actual post. Pulling things out of our many exchanges and attributing them to me will not work, as you tried to do on another thread. I know you despise logic but please show some respect for proof.
When you deliver a coherent thought that is not rambling, and when you drop the logical fallacies I will respond to the point. What I’m trying to say is please make sense.
For about the fourth time little one, all we have are our words to communicate. If you cannot make sense with those words then they need to be questioned.
As I’ve repeatedly told you Christianity needs no defense from the likes of you. You’re an angry man who plays the Internet tough guy. When you challenged someone to a fight in the other thread that we are on you showed your true colors. You have nothing, really you don’t.
Then I’m sure you can imagine how God finds your typical behavior.
[/quote]
WELL ZEB, TO BE ACCURATE, AFTER MUCH NEEDLING FROM YOU, THIS IS THE START OF THE HOSTILITIES, INCLUDING A CLEAR REFERENCE TO TROUBLES WE HAD IN ANOTHER THREAD. ARE YOU PLAYING THE VICTIM HERE? PULLED YOUR PANTIES DOWN AND THEN CRIED RAPE?
REALLY?[/quote]
No actually that was you exploding after me trying to get you to make sense. But then that’s always been your problem. You can see what’s being said to you, but you don’t always acknowledge your part in the process. Just like the many posts that you chose to respond with here, when one would do. And just like the capital letters when lower case letters would have done nicely. But that’s what you do, yet you never see it. Oh and I see you ended with your usual female reference put down. Yeah…these are the things you do.
Anyway, my point is you did in fact attack me it’s all over this thread and others. If you want to play the “you started it” game, let’s begin. I maintain that while I was schooling you in logic you pretty much blew your top, as you continue to do.
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I’m not blowing my top dear Christian.[/quote]
You’re not? Do you always try to dig up 8 year old posts from other people you’ve debated on the Internet? I have to admit I thought that was one (only one) of your less intelligent moves given your posting history. But yeah, you blew your top. And if I play my cards right you’ll blow your top again. Wanna bet?
I engaged in a campaign of trying to get you to make sense. I never once changed the subject. It’s just that you wanted to move forward and I kept correcting your many errors. And this by the way was the beginning of you blowing your top.
That’s what you’d like to believe I’m sure. That way you can keep that false image you have of yourself. But in reality I really did want you to make sense. Try as I might I just couldn’t do it. You were all over the road. Logical fallacies, incorrect analogies. Backing away from things said. It really was your fault. Honestly, if you want to have a discussion we can try again, but I warn you - YOU MUST MAKE SENSE.
And you never attack me right? Noooooo.
Opposition? You? LOL - Tell me how does one get such a distorted view of themselves? Do you ever read any of your posts BEFORE sending them?
First of all I think you have too much time on your hands. Maybe you need a part time job, or another hobby other than making home-made porn, and then teaching others how to do the same. And the few threads that I looked at where you were the star it always seemed to end with you berating a female and then calling someone a white knight for trying to defend said female. And two or three posters always end up ignoring you. I think that’s what you’ve come to expect. You mouth off to people and then they ignore you. Either way many of your threads end badly. Let me know when you want to go back to posting old threads because I have 3 or 4 of yours that really highlight your very, very ugly character traits. Threatening to beat people up, berating women, because they’re women. Bragging about how to pose women in porno movies. Yeah, they’re real beauties, and I found them right away. You must be a gold mine of crap talking. Anyway let me know when you want to start that again.
I can’t imagine that you would like anyone who holds a mirror up to that ugly personality of yours. But that’s okay somehow I’m going to muddle through this life without you on my good buddies list
Actually I didn’t, I really, really wanted you to make sense. But now, yeah I want a reaction and you are giving me some great ones. I want you to promise right now that you will never stop posting back to me as long as I keep answering you. Will you promise?
I laughed out loud with that one. I think at some point in your life your ego was run over by a train. And somehow you get your jollies by playing Internet tough guy. Most people have the good sense to ignore you after a while, but I just have to see how far you’ll go with your insistence on getting the final word. I’ve left plenty of posts not having the final word. In fact, I let you have that on our former thread thinking that it would appease you, but you cannot appease a coward and bully I should have known that huh? And now that I know it means so much to you I assure you that this will NEVER end. I want you to keep entertaining me, can you do that?
Of course you will this is what you do. Everything that you accuse me of you are actually guilty of. And you just can’t believe that someone is giving it back to you. Oh and I hope you are feeling okay you have not threatened to beat me up in 8 or 9 posts. Is this because you are TRYING to act like a normal person so that the others on the thread will continue to engage you thinking that you’re normal and actually not a fraud? Yeah, that’s probably it.
I do love how polite you are to the other posters now that I’ve called you out on it.
I MADE You do that ole’ buddy ;)[/quote]
Dance Puppet!! Let me know when you make a claim on topic.
Obfuscation.
He rarely engages in the text book example of this because once you disagree with him, he rarely actually attempts to make a cogent point. However, all his other tactics are used in an attempt to obfuscate and avoid meaningful dialogue.
This is really a favorite of his. He’ll build a straw man (more on that later) and cherry pick a quote to feed his straw man. Also, in an attempt to make any reply to him damn near impossible, he will pick apart and respond to discrete sentences, rendering any response on the forum a jumbled confusion and more trouble than it’s worth.
He engages in the sentence by sentence reply not for an attempt at clarity, but to preclude you from rebutting his attacks and tactics. So desperate is his reach in the quoting out of context tactic, that he actually searched for a humorous post of mine from SAMA about making home porn, to make a “point” in this thread.
Ad Hominem. This is a favorite of his. It’s quite transparent and requires no further explanation. He’s employing this now in the Jihad thread. He’s attacking someone’s age and experience instead of addressing their arguments. He has also disdainfully labeled some of you here, “atheist” for no other reason than your views do not comport with his own. Since you do not believe in “God”, you surely cannot have a dialogue about God right?
Character Assassination. A favorite of cowards worldwide. ZEB even tries to bring to bear my “confession” (haha, lol I knew he’s like that) in the SAMA cheating thread to this thread. Hmmm.
Fundamental Attribution Error. This is a favorite of our Good Christian ZEB. ZEB will pull you into the mud with him, start rasslin with ya, and then turn around and yell for everyone to hear how muddy you are, while he himself is still covered in slime.
False Consensus Effect. This is illustrated where he attempts to bolster his attacks with the similar attacks of someone like Cortes. Remember in high school where one girl decided she didn’t like another girl anymore? What did she do? She attempted to enlist her girlfriends to disliking the girl. Once her girlfriends shared their disdain for the target of her hatred, the girl could then proclaim the target of her hatred, “unpopular”. ZEB still remembers his high school days quite well, in spite of his advanced age.
Also called cherry picking, the enumeration of favorable circumstances, or as the philosopher Francis Bacon described it, counting the hits and forgetting the misses. For example, a state boasts of the Presidents it has produced, but is silent about its serial killers.
Non Sequitur.
This is another favorite of our Good Man. I’m surprised I missed it the first time as he has employed it consistently. For example, “Bodyguard wrote a primer (tongue in cheek) about home porn. Bodyguard is addicted to porn.” Or, “Bodyguard wrote a home porn primer on the adult section of an adult web site. Bodyguard is a great example to kids”.
Changing the Subject. This is used simultaneously with the other tactics. It’s the linchpin in his arsenal. Also commonly known as Digression, Red Herring, Misdirection, False Emphasis.
This tactic is generally used to avoid having to defend a claim. He reduces a thread to a series of personal attacks, thereby avoiding engaging in actual rebuttal. This tactic is diversionary in nature, and is often just obstructive, obtuse, or needling. For example, AEB has often quibbled in other threads about a poor analogy, or the grammar or spelling a person used. This tactic is an attempt to change the subject and make his target the object of ridicule (see number 7, False Consensus).
Failure to State:
If you make enough attacks, and ask enough questions, you may never have to actually define your own position on the topic. This is a ZEB keystone.
Let me state it for you slowly for the 2nd time. I’ve. Read. The. Bible. I’ve also read scholarly interpretations of various scriptures.[/quote]
And yet you ask people to state where Jesus Christ has called himself God. Now why would you do that if you read the Bible you know where to look. Oh wait, is it because you are here to demean Christians? Either that or your reading comprehension is so poor that you really don’t know where Christ called himself God. It’s hard to figure. Are you more of an instigator than you are stupid? Or vice versa.
That’s because you’re on your best behavior due to me holding your feet over the fire. And we both know it. If you act like the jerk that you are then you figure that I’ve won. We’ll continue to see your best behavior as long as I am doing this. A few days or a week where I stop you will revert back. A leopard does not change its spots.
[quote]
Delusional. The other posters have been respectful. It’s that simple.[/quote]
Really? What about Cortes post to you, doesn’t sound very “respectful” in fact he pretty much called it as it is and what I’ve been saying. Want to read it again?
In short he’s calling you the scum bag that you are.
Yet, you let it go. Why? Because you’re trying so very hard to behave with everyone in order to prove to me that your a normal person. This is obvious to all of us but you. You think you’re being clever but um…you’re not.
Funny you would mention Charlie Sheen. You have many traits of someone with an addictive habit. As I’ve said alcohol or some other addiction. You’re certainly OCD and addicted to Porn. So who knows? But you’re certainly not what I would call well balanced. There is something wrong for certain.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
No wait, that was YOUR game, you started that nonsense. When I checked around the site for your old posts I hit gold immediately. Everything that I thought about you was instantly verified. Old posts show your true character.
Argument by Selective Observation. Association Fallacy. Non-sequitur.[/quote]
Say what you will it is YOU that constantly berates females. It’s YOU that posts in the sex threads about how to make good porn. It’s YOU that most ignore after 4 or 5 of these back and forth sessions. You’re an Internet bully and it is not a separate issue from this thread. With you and I it IS the issue. And it has been verified. Don’t like what you are? That’s a shame. Your past posting history (which you brought up first) seems to be dogging you.
Oh I don’t know about that. It’s not me threatening to beat people up, abusing women, cheating on my wife, teaching people how to make porno movies. It seems to me that in all your years on T Nation you’ve added NOTHING to this site. Nothing by heartache for your victims. Proud of yourself yet?
5 years old? Sheesh…poor kid. Look just keep the camera and any tapes or DVD’s you’ve made locked in a cabinet somewhere. You don’t want child services to come snooping around. They might get some sort of crazy notion you’re an unfit father. And once they see your posts on T Nation well and some of your homemade work…the games up
YES!! You’ve done it again. You’ve offered to meet someone to beat them up. Hahahahaha…Thanks Man! I think the funniest parts were at the beginning where you accused me of being delusional when YOU ignored another poster ripping you apart. And then again at the end after being accused of being an Internet Tough Guy you actually had the full blown stupidity to challenge me to meet you to fight. WOW, you’ve just proven everything that I’ve accused you of in your final paragraph.
Oh and what is this fascination you have about filming everything? You now want to film us fighting. You give instructions for how to make home porn movies in the sex threads. You know that might be one of the things (other than your cheating) that drove your wife away. Have you spoken to your Psychologist about this filming fetish of yours? I think it would be a good topic next time you see him. You might have a break through moment.
And as I’ve said earlier I would be glad to take this to PM if you like. If not we will continue here so that we don’t effect any active thread. You’re call ITG (Internet Tough Guy).
I honestly skimmed a few sentences and I just can’t read your histrionic, circular rantings anymore. I got your pants all the way down around your ankles and your thumb in your mouth. Anyone can plainly see you’ve not been on topic for quite some time, and you’re doing nothing but walking around with my dick in your mouth.
I’ll just reply by posting ZEB’s Internet Field Guide for Fighting.
Obfuscation.
He rarely engages in the text book example of this because once you disagree with him, he rarely actually attempts to make a cogent point. However, all his other tactics are used in an attempt to obfuscate and avoid meaningful dialogue.
This is really a favorite of his. He’ll build a straw man (more on that later) and cherry pick a quote to feed his straw man. Also, in an attempt to make any reply to him damn near impossible, he will pick apart and respond to discrete sentences, rendering any response on the forum a jumbled confusion and more trouble than it’s worth.
He engages in the sentence by sentence reply not for an attempt at clarity, but to preclude you from rebutting his attacks and tactics. So desperate is his reach in the quoting out of context tactic, that he actually searched for a humorous post of mine from SAMA about making home porn, to make a “point” in this thread.
Ad Hominem. This is a favorite of his. It’s quite transparent and requires no further explanation. He’s employing this now in the Jihad thread. He’s attacking someone’s age and experience instead of addressing their arguments. He has also disdainfully labeled some of you here, “atheist” for no other reason than your views do not comport with his own. Since you do not believe in “God”, you surely cannot have a dialogue about God right?
Character Assassination. A favorite of cowards worldwide. ZEB even tries to bring to bear my “confession” (haha, lol I knew he’s like that) in the SAMA cheating thread to this thread. Hmmm.
Fundamental Attribution Error. This is a favorite of our Good Christian ZEB. ZEB will pull you into the mud with him, start rasslin with ya, and then turn around and yell for everyone to hear how muddy you are, while he himself is still covered in slime.
False Consensus Effect. This is illustrated where he attempts to bolster his attacks with the similar attacks of someone like Cortes. Remember in high school where one girl decided she didn’t like another girl anymore? What did she do? She attempted to enlist her girlfriends to disliking the girl. Once her girlfriends shared their disdain for the target of her hatred, the girl could then proclaim the target of her hatred, “unpopular”. ZEB still remembers his high school days quite well, in spite of his advanced age.
Also called cherry picking, the enumeration of favorable circumstances, or as the philosopher Francis Bacon described it, counting the hits and forgetting the misses. For example, a state boasts of the Presidents it has produced, but is silent about its serial killers.
Non Sequitur.
This is another favorite of our Good Man. I’m surprised I missed it the first time as he has employed it consistently. For example, “Bodyguard wrote a primer (tongue in cheek) about home porn. Bodyguard is addicted to porn.” Or, “Bodyguard wrote a home porn primer on the adult section of an adult web site. Bodyguard is a great example to kids”.
Changing the Subject. This is used simultaneously with the other tactics. It’s the linchpin in his arsenal. Also commonly known as Digression, Red Herring, Misdirection, False Emphasis.
This tactic is generally used to avoid having to defend a claim. He reduces a thread to a series of personal attacks, thereby avoiding engaging in actual rebuttal. This tactic is diversionary in nature, and is often just obstructive, obtuse, or needling. For example, AEB has often quibbled in other threads about a poor analogy, or the grammar or spelling a person used. This tactic is an attempt to change the subject and make his target the object of ridicule (see number 7, False Consensus).
Failure to State:
If you make enough attacks, and ask enough questions, you may never have to actually define your own position on the topic. This is a ZEB keystone.
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
I honestly skimmed a few sentences and I just can’t read your histrionic, circular rantings anymore.[/quote]
That’s funny because I was thinking the same of your prior post (actually many of them). But I trudged on through anyway. I gave you some real gold in the last one you should read it.
Oh no, the latent homosexual tendencies are coming out once again. You have to remember, watching all that porno about 50% of it is naked men. Uh huh. And you’re a self-proclaimed expert at filming porno so I’m starting to put two and two together here.
Okay ITG why don’t you throw me a question and I’ll field it for you. Because at this point “the topic” could mean almost anything.
Sheesh ITG, you really need to work on your metaphor’s. Either that or just come out of the closet.
I’ll ask you a final time - Exactly what would you like to know regarding my position?
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
I honestly skimmed a few sentences and I just can’t read your histrionic, circular rantings anymore.[/quote]
That’s funny because I was thinking the same of your prior post (actually many of them). But I trudged on through anyway. I gave you some real gold in the last one you should read it.
Oh no, the latent homosexual tendencies are coming out once again. You have to remember, watching all that porno about 50% of it is naked men. Uh huh. And you’re a self-proclaimed expert at filming porno so I’m starting to put two and two together here.
Okay ITG why don’t you throw me a question and I’ll field it for you. Because at this point “the topic” could mean almost anything.
Sheesh ITG, you really need to work on your metaphor’s. Either that or just come out of the closet.
I’ll ask you a final time - Exactly what would you like to know regarding my position?[/quote]
It would appear you’re perilously close to using up your alleged half hour allotment on T-Nation.
ZEB’s Guidebook, the DaVinci Code to understanding ZEB’s increasingly bizarre rants.
Obfuscation.
He rarely engages in the text book example of this because once you disagree with him, he rarely actually attempts to make a cogent point. However, all his other tactics are used in an attempt to obfuscate and avoid meaningful dialogue.
This is really a favorite of his. He’ll build a straw man (more on that later) and cherry pick a quote to feed his straw man. Also, in an attempt to make any reply to him damn near impossible, he will pick apart and respond to discrete sentences, rendering any response on the forum a jumbled confusion and more trouble than it’s worth.
He engages in the sentence by sentence reply not for an attempt at clarity, but to preclude you from rebutting his attacks and tactics. So desperate is his reach in the quoting out of context tactic, that he actually searched for a humorous post of mine from SAMA about making home porn, to make a “point” in this thread.
Ad Hominem. This is a favorite of his. It’s quite transparent and requires no further explanation. He’s employing this now in the Jihad thread. He’s attacking someone’s age and experience instead of addressing their arguments. He has also disdainfully labeled some of you here, “atheist” for no other reason than your views do not comport with his own. Since you do not believe in “God”, you surely cannot have a dialogue about God right?
Character Assassination. A favorite of cowards worldwide. ZEB even tries to bring to bear my “confession” (haha, lol I knew he’s like that) in the SAMA cheating thread to this thread. Hmmm.
Fundamental Attribution Error. This is a favorite of our Good Christian ZEB. ZEB will pull you into the mud with him, start rasslin with ya, and then turn around and yell for everyone to hear how muddy you are, while he himself is still covered in slime.
False Consensus Effect. This is illustrated where he attempts to bolster his attacks with the similar attacks of someone like Cortes. Remember in high school where one girl decided she didn’t like another girl anymore? What did she do? She attempted to enlist her girlfriends to disliking the girl. Once her girlfriends shared their disdain for the target of her hatred, the girl could then proclaim the target of her hatred, “unpopular”. ZEB still remembers his high school days quite well, in spite of his advanced age.
Also called cherry picking, the enumeration of favorable circumstances, or as the philosopher Francis Bacon described it, counting the hits and forgetting the misses. For example, a state boasts of the Presidents it has produced, but is silent about its serial killers.
Non Sequitur.
This is another favorite of our Good Man. I’m surprised I missed it the first time as he has employed it consistently. For example, “Bodyguard wrote a primer (tongue in cheek) about home porn. Bodyguard is addicted to porn.” Or, “Bodyguard wrote a home porn primer on the adult section of an adult web site. Bodyguard is a great example to kids”.
Changing the Subject. This is used simultaneously with the other tactics. It’s the linchpin in his arsenal. Also commonly known as Digression, Red Herring, Misdirection, False Emphasis.
This tactic is generally used to avoid having to defend a claim. He reduces a thread to a series of personal attacks, thereby avoiding engaging in actual rebuttal. This tactic is diversionary in nature, and is often just obstructive, obtuse, or needling. For example, AEB has often quibbled in other threads about a poor analogy, or the grammar or spelling a person used. This tactic is an attempt to change the subject and make his target the object of ridicule (see number 7, False Consensus).
Failure to State:
If you make enough attacks, and ask enough questions, you may never have to actually define your own position on the topic. This is a ZEB keystone.
I’ll ask you a final time - Exactly what would you like to know regarding my position?[/quote]
Is it true you were indicted for Bank Fraud and Check Kiting among other things, and that you’re now a “good Christian”?[/quote]
LOL—That’s even dumb coming from you. And by the way what does that have to do with either of the Christian threads? Nothing. So who is deliberately off topic?
I’ll ask you a final time - Exactly what would you like to know regarding my position?[/quote]
Is it true you were indicted for Bank Fraud and Check Kiting among other things, and that you’re now a “good Christian”?[/quote]
LOL—That’s even dumb coming from you. And by the way what does that have to do with either of the Christian threads? Nothing. So who is deliberately off topic?
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I see your spots Leopard. It’s off topic - You mean like everything you raised against me? So is it true that you committed fraud? Perhaps pressured by your wife’s health concerns and a son that was heading to college age? When exactly did you convert to Christianity? Before or after you were caught? Personally, I find those jail house conversions to be the least convincing and it explains much about the “christianity” you have displayed here.
Hey, that’s funny I just used a leopard cannot change his spots on you two or three posts back and here it is again being used against me. Um…good one.
Hey, that’s funny I just used a leopard cannot change his spots on you two or three posts back and here it is again being used against me. Um…good one.
Proverbs 19:9
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I’m mocking you ya dunce felon!
So when did you convert? Before or after you were caught? I’m betting your “conversion” to Christianity was right about the time you were in trouble and realized you weren’t getting out of it. Is that about right? Huh Tiger? I see your stripes Tiger. Happy now?
A false witness will not go unpunished, and he who pours out lies will perish.[/quote] Proverbs 19:9
Absolutely true!
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Peter 1:15-16 “But as He who called you is holy, you also be holy in your conduct, because it is written, Be holy for I am holy.” [/quote]
Excellent scripture. I love Peter as much as any book in the NT because he actually walked with Jesus Christ and saw first hand the pain and sorrow that he had to endure.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
Excellent scripture. I love Peter as much as any book in the NT because he actually walked with Jesus Christ and saw first hand the pain and sorrow that he had to endure.[/quote]
A false witness will not go unpunished, and he who pours out lies will perish.[/quote] Proverbs 19:9
Absolutely true!
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Peter 1:15-16 “But as He who called you is holy, you also be holy in your conduct, because it is written, Be holy for I am holy.” [/quote]
Excellent scripture. I love Peter as much as any book in the NT because he actually walked with Jesus Christ and saw first hand the pain and sorrow that he had to endure.[/quote]
[quote]ZEB wrote:
Excellent scripture. I love Peter as much as any book in the NT because he actually walked with Jesus Christ and saw first hand the pain and sorrow that he had to endure.[/quote]
Meaningless.[/quote]
Meaningless to you because you do not believe. But it means a great deal to me.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
Excellent scripture. I love Peter as much as any book in the NT because he actually walked with Jesus Christ and saw first hand the pain and sorrow that he had to endure.[/quote]
Meaningless.[/quote]
Meaningless to you because you do not believe. But it means a great deal to me.[/quote]
Walk the walk then felon. You still didn’t answer me. Did you find Christ before or after you got in trouble?
[quote]ZEB wrote:
Excellent scripture. I love Peter as much as any book in the NT because he actually walked with Jesus Christ and saw first hand the pain and sorrow that he had to endure.[/quote]
Meaningless.[/quote]
Meaningless to you because you do not believe. But it means a great deal to me.[/quote]
Meaningless because you worship an omnipotent god who decided to send himself down to earth and sacrifice himself to himself. Its a meaningless “sacrifice”. Any “pain and sorrow that he had to endure” means nothing when the only cause of his pain and sorrow was himself.
