Why Do People Care?

TheBodyGuard · March 4, 2011, 3:52pm

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]smh23 wrote:
Zeb, what would you say is at the heart of your belief? My guess would be faith. You can use logic to defend against certain attacks, but you cannot use it to “prove” that your convictions are true beyond any doubt. In the end, Christianity/Judaism/Islam rely on faith. Do you disagree?[/quote]

I agree with you completely and have said similar things in previous posts. And by the way thank you for making sense. It’s refreshing to communicate with someone who is bright and is able to pen a post in complete sentences without using logical fallacies. Honestly, I don’t know how people teach the retarded, where do they get teir patience?
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And that’s why you’re bowing out. We both know the end game to your game. Obfuscate with personal attacks, and then run. [/quote]

This coming from someone who has threatened to beat people up over the Internet. Did you meet that person whom you disagreed with and beat him up yet? (eye roll).

I tried to have a serious dialogue with you, but between the half-truths and the logical fallacies that you live by it was impossible. Then you were good for a laugh for a while, but like a comedian who has stood on stage a bit too long your act got old. At this point I’m tempted to keep responding, at least to the point where you threaten to beat me up as you have other posters.

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You are pathetic. How long will you use my quip to the smart ass as a crutch not to engage in a serious dialogue. I posed a number of serious questions to you. Either answer them and share your position or STFU. Or are you going to piss and moan for another few pages about me? Reply to the thread, or STFU. Or don’t, and keep being a blithering idiot. Wow us all with your superior logic…or are you afraid you will just bore us with your “faith”?

TheBodyGuard · March 4, 2011, 3:56pm

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

Given the great expanse of the cosmos, what gives us the right to think HE has a plan for US at all? If you construct this great farm, do you have a plan for the ants?[/quote]

You’ve fallen into another of your logical fallacies. That is, since HE has created so much HE does not care about us. Furthermore, your example is inaccurate as we did not create the ants.
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Well, let’s go back to where it all started shall we? Let’s see if we can get your great mind back on track. Or, whether we can get your feeble mind off an admittedly bad analogy and back to the topic that led you astray. You do realize you replied to me with an attack again?

Are you familiar with anthropocentrism? I’m sure you are.

So I reiterate, what evidence do you have (extra-biblical) that if there is a “God”, that He has a “plan” for us or, that he actually specifically created mankind.

Is it not possible God caused the universe to form and that what occurred thereafter including physical laws and biology was by chance? Is it not possible that other universes exist with different physical laws that would not allow any life as you know it (as has been theorized)? And, if such a universe does in fact exist, and God created everything, why would he create a universe incapable of supporting life just like our own? After all, the heavens and the earth were created for mankind right?

Why such a large expanse of universe seemingly filled with “nothing” if not other humans, since humans are so important?

If he has a “plan”, why has he not communicated it to mankind personally, so that there is no mistake, no debate?

When you answer the above, please tell me why God has a plan for us. State your reasons, without relying upon disputed scripture to do so. I am a man that does not believe in your religion. So communicate to me with facts and logic, and leave the scripture behind.

Prove to me that you can express your opinions to another man, whether that man is Muslim, Jew, Atheist, Buhddist, Pagan, Agnostic, et als. In other words, you cannot rely upon scripture, you must express YOUR THOUGHTS instead of attacking the thoughts of another. Can you do that? Let’s see.
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Here you go ZEB, since you have a problem keeping up with threads, quotes, and statements you made in the past (like the other post where you insisted on having your own words quoted BACK to you in some specific manner). If you want to “debate”, you can start by answering the above.

Or, you can be an intellectual coward, relying instead of empty personal attacks and ad hominem. You can also continue to be just a plain coward, because I know of no “man” that continuously comes to the internet to insult another man. Please show us your superior intellect.

ZEB · March 4, 2011, 4:24pm

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]smh23 wrote:
Zeb, what would you say is at the heart of your belief? My guess would be faith. You can use logic to defend against certain attacks, but you cannot use it to “prove” that your convictions are true beyond any doubt. In the end, Christianity/Judaism/Islam rely on faith. Do you disagree?[/quote]

I agree with you completely and have said similar things in previous posts. And by the way thank you for making sense. It’s refreshing to communicate with someone who is bright and is able to pen a post in complete sentences without using logical fallacies. Honestly, I don’t know how people teach the retarded, where do they get teir patience?
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And that’s why you’re bowing out. We both know the end game to your game. Obfuscate with personal attacks, and then run. [/quote]

This coming from someone who has threatened to beat people up over the Internet. Did you meet that person whom you disagreed with and beat him up yet? (eye roll).

I tried to have a serious dialogue with you, but between the half-truths and the logical fallacies that you live by it was impossible. Then you were good for a laugh for a while, but like a comedian who has stood on stage a bit too long your act got old. At this point I’m tempted to keep responding, at least to the point where you threaten to beat me up as you have other posters.

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You are pathetic. How long will you use my quip to the smart ass as a crutch not to engage in a serious dialogue.[/quote]

I just used the word dialogue and what do you know here it is being used by you.

You posted many serious logical fallacies which I rebutted, but here you are still hanging around like so much cow shit in a big open field.

Vintage, thank you.

And an encore.

TheBodyGuard · March 4, 2011, 5:01pm

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

Given the great expanse of the cosmos, what gives us the right to think HE has a plan for US at all? If you construct this great farm, do you have a plan for the ants?[/quote]

You’ve fallen into another of your logical fallacies. That is, since HE has created so much HE does not care about us. Furthermore, your example is inaccurate as we did not create the ants.
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Well, let’s go back to where it all started shall we? Let’s see if we can get your great mind back on track. Or, whether we can get your feeble mind off an admittedly bad analogy and back to the topic that led you astray. You do realize you replied to me with an attack again?

Are you familiar with anthropocentrism? I’m sure you are.

So I reiterate, what evidence do you have (extra-biblical) that if there is a “God”, that He has a “plan” for us or, that he actually specifically created mankind.

Is it not possible God caused the universe to form and that what occurred thereafter including physical laws and biology was by chance? Is it not possible that other universes exist with different physical laws that would not allow any life as you know it (as has been theorized)? And, if such a universe does in fact exist, and God created everything, why would he create a universe incapable of supporting life just like our own? After all, the heavens and the earth were created for mankind right?

Why such a large expanse of universe seemingly filled with “nothing” if not other humans, since humans are so important?

If he has a “plan”, why has he not communicated it to mankind personally, so that there is no mistake, no debate?

When you answer the above, please tell me why God has a plan for us. State your reasons, without relying upon disputed scripture to do so. I am a man that does not believe in your religion. So communicate to me with facts and logic, and leave the scripture behind.

Prove to me that you can express your opinions to another man, whether that man is Muslim, Jew, Atheist, Buhddist, Pagan, Agnostic, et als. In other words, you cannot rely upon scripture, you must express YOUR THOUGHTS instead of attacking the thoughts of another. Can you do that? Let’s see.
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Here you go ZEB, since you have a problem keeping up with threads, quotes, and statements you made in the past (like the other post where you insisted on having your own words quoted BACK to you in some specific manner). If you want to “debate”, you can start by answering the above.

Or, you can be an intellectual coward, relying instead of empty personal attacks and ad hominem. You can also continue to be just a plain coward, because I know of no “man” that continuously comes to the internet to insult another man. Please show us your superior intellect.[/quote]

Here you go again ZEBster. I’m happy to help you get back on track.

TheBodyGuard · March 4, 2011, 5:04pm

I guess you’re doing God’s work here eh? I’m impressed with your christianity. Bravo sir!

TheBodyGuard · March 4, 2011, 5:16pm

I found your avatar.

ZEB · March 4, 2011, 5:35pm

LOL, That’s a good one TBG. You are not only a smart person but funny as well. And everyone in your personal life loves you. You got it going on man.

Be Happy.

Your Friend,

Zeb

TheBodyGuard · March 4, 2011, 6:04pm

[quote]ZEB wrote:

LOL, That’s a good one TBG. You are not only a smart person but funny as well. And everyone in your personal life loves you. You got it going on man.

Be Happy.

Your Friend,

Zeb
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ZEB, thank you. Through your empty and meaningless ridicule, I have seen the way of Christ. I am SAVED!! Hallelujah brother!

Since you’re my favorite special education student (Cortes is suspended), do you want me to quote again my questions to you? Or do you intend to continue to engage in the playground equivalent of “no I’m not, you are”. “Whatever you say bounces off me like rubber and sticks to you” or some such schoolyard wisdom?

Because if you’re not going to address the points raised in the thread, and extinguish them with your mighty sword of logic, then surely you will exit gracefully.

May Allah watch over you. Peace be unto you brother.

Your buddy,

TBG

ZEB · March 4, 2011, 7:41pm

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

LOL, That’s a good one TBG. You are not only a smart person but funny as well. And everyone in your personal life loves you. You got it going on man.

Be Happy.

Your Friend,

Zeb
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Since you’re my favorite special education student (Cortes is suspended),[/quote]

Wow, you did it again. Do you even know that you’re doing it?

God Bless you man.

Take care of that family of yours.

Zeb

forlife · March 4, 2011, 9:24pm

Bodyguard, Zeb has played the same game for years. He’s a known clown on the boards, and isn’t worth your time.

ZEB · March 4, 2011, 10:18pm

[quote]forlife wrote:
Bodyguard, Zeb has played the same game for years. He’s a known clown on the boards, and isn’t worth your time.[/quote]

I want to congratulate you on actually making a post without either attacking God or promoting homosexuality. This is indeed a big step for you forlife.

TheBodyGuard · March 5, 2011, 6:09pm

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

LOL, That’s a good one TBG. You are not only a smart person but funny as well. And everyone in your personal life loves you. You got it going on man.

Be Happy.

Your Friend,

Zeb
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Since you’re my favorite special education student (Cortes is suspended),[/quote]

Wow, you did it again. Do you even know that you’re doing it?

God Bless you man.

Take care of that family of yours.

Zeb[/quote]

I know EXACTLY what I’m doing. Do you? You’re so smart right?

You know, it’s certainly one kind of man that would come to a message board to do no more than purposefully insult another man. And it’s yet another man altogether that would reference another man’s family. You are a heckuva Christian my friend. And you’re not much of a man.

ZEB · March 5, 2011, 7:54pm

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

I know EXACTLY what I’m doing. Do you? You’re so smart right?

You know, it’s certainly one kind of man that would come to a message board to do no more than purposefully insult another man. And it’s yet another man altogether that would reference another man’s family. You are a heckuva Christian my friend. And you’re not much of a man. [/quote]

YES! I knew your OCD would not allow you to let this thread drop and I bet two other posters who PM’d me that you would be back to this very thread. The very thing that keeps you addicted to porn and alcohol also causes you to do this.

Ha…Thanks man.

Now all you have to do is come back just one more time and I’ve won a steak dinner for two! Don’t let me down man I’m counting on you.

TheBodyGuard · March 5, 2011, 9:56pm

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

I know EXACTLY what I’m doing. Do you? You’re so smart right?

You know, it’s certainly one kind of man that would come to a message board to do no more than purposefully insult another man. And it’s yet another man altogether that would reference another man’s family. You are a heckuva Christian my friend. And you’re not much of a man. [/quote]

YES! I knew your OCD would not allow you to let this thread drop and I bet two other posters who PM’d me that you would be back to this very thread. The very thing that keeps you addicted to porn and alcohol also causes you to do this.

Ha…Thanks man.

Now all you have to do is come back just one more time and I’ve won a steak dinner for two! Don’t let me down man I’m counting on you.

:)[/quote]

You really ARE a clown like the other poster said. You find comfort with the only 2 other jerk-offs playing your little game? You’re a pathetic little man. And by your “logic”, since you’re a pillar of logical rational thinking, what is YOUR excuse for returning to the thread? I can, and will, do this for as long as you please. I give no quarter to the attacks of a coward.

ZEB · March 14, 2011, 8:16pm

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

You really ARE a clown like the other poster said. You find comfort with the only 2 other jerk-offs playing your little game? You’re a pathetic little man. And by your “logic”, since you’re a pillar of logical rational thinking, what is YOUR excuse for returning to the thread? I can, and will, do this for as long as you please. I give no quarter to the attacks of a coward.[/quote]

I shouldn’t take this as an attack right? Noooooooo.

TheBodyGuard · March 14, 2011, 9:17pm

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
Let me know when you’re ready to start. [/quote]

We’ve already begun and you have not yet made one compelling argument. Moreover, you’ve not even made one logical point. But the bluster continues.
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And what will your argument be other than to quote scripture?[/quote]

Please Mr. tough guy point out where and when I’ve quoted scripture. At this point I’m still trying to get you to actually make sense.

And while I’m thinking of it keep in mind that when you cut and paste anything I quote do so with date and time included copied from the actual post. Pulling things out of our many exchanges and attributing them to me will not work, as you tried to do on another thread. I know you despise logic but please show some respect for proof.

When you deliver a coherent thought that is not rambling, and when you drop the logical fallacies I will respond to the point. What I’m trying to say is please make sense.

For about the fourth time little one, all we have are our words to communicate. If you cannot make sense with those words then they need to be questioned.

As I’ve repeatedly told you Christianity needs no defense from the likes of you. You’re an angry man who plays the Internet tough guy. When you challenged someone to a fight in the other thread that we are on you showed your true colors. You have nothing, really you don’t.

Then I’m sure you can imagine how God finds your typical behavior.
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WELL ZEB, TO BE ACCURATE, AFTER MUCH NEEDLING FROM YOU, THIS IS THE START OF THE HOSTILITIES, INCLUDING A CLEAR REFERENCE TO TROUBLES WE HAD IN ANOTHER THREAD. ARE YOU PLAYING THE VICTIM HERE? PULLED YOUR PANTIES DOWN AND THEN CRIED RAPE?

REALLY?

TheBodyGuard · March 14, 2011, 9:18pm

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
I see you’re still pulling apart words. Wake me up when you have an actual point. Maybe you can expand on the limited communication abilities of God again. That was a good one. [/quote]

I’ve repeatedly pointed out how ineffectual that you communicate, using logical fallacies. If you can’t stand the factual heat get out of the kitchen.[/quote]

And I’ve repeatedly pointed out how you just attack, building strawmen and using ad hominem. And please reference the “factual heat” you set forth. Last I saw, you just made an attack about my bad analogy for my thoughts about man’s place in the universe. I didn’t see you espouse one single “fact” or utter one passage or “logic”. Let me know when you begin ok?
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That’s because I am done with you, you’re not serious. You’re oafish attempts at debate have left my sides painful from laughter. Put another way I’ve had my laughs at your expense and now I’m moving on.

Try not to take this personally. There will be others you can practice your fractured logic on who won’t even notice. [/quote]

MORE NEEDLING WHEN I ATTEMPTED TO GET YOU BACK ON TRACK

TheBodyGuard · March 14, 2011, 9:20pm

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]smh23 wrote:
Zeb, what would you say is at the heart of your belief? My guess would be faith. You can use logic to defend against certain attacks, but you cannot use it to “prove” that your convictions are true beyond any doubt. In the end, Christianity/Judaism/Islam rely on faith. Do you disagree?[/quote]

I agree with you completely and have said similar things in previous posts. And by the way thank you for making sense. It’s refreshing to communicate with someone who is bright and is able to pen a post in complete sentences without using logical fallacies. Honestly, I don’t know how people teach the retarded, where do they get teir patience?
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And that’s why you’re bowing out. We both know the end game to your game. Obfuscate with personal attacks, and then run. [/quote]

This coming from someone who has threatened to beat people up over the Internet. Did you meet that person whom you disagreed with and beat him up yet? (eye roll).

I tried to have a serious dialogue with you, but between the half-truths and the logical fallacies that you live by it was impossible. Then you were good for a laugh for a while, but like a comedian who has stood on stage a bit too long your act got old. At this point I’m tempted to keep responding, at least to the point where you threaten to beat me up as you have other posters.

[/quote]

MORE NEEDLING.

LEMME GUESS, YOU WERE THE LITTLE PUNK THAT ACTED LIKE A DICK UNTIL HE FINALLY GOT SMACKED UPSIDE THE HEAD, THEN RAN TO THE TEACHER LIKE THE VICTIM.

TheBodyGuard · March 14, 2011, 9:21pm

For anyone paying attention, this is the Comprehensive Field Guide to ZEB’s tactics. Learn them and recognize them.

Here are his tactics:

Obfuscation.

He rarely engages in the text book example of this because once you disagree with him, he rarely actually attempts to make a cogent point. However, all his other tactics are used in an attempt to obfuscate and avoid meaningful dialogue.

http://en.wikipedia.org/...iki/Obfuscation

Quoting out of Context.

This is really a favorite of his. He’ll build a straw man (more on that later) and cherry pick a quote to feed his straw man. Also, in an attempt to make any reply to him damn near impossible, he will pick apart and respond to discrete sentences, rendering any response on the forum a jumbled confusion and more trouble than it’s worth.

He engages in the sentence by sentence reply not for an attempt at clarity, but to preclude you from rebutting his attacks and tactics. So desperate is his reach in the quoting out of context tactic, that he actually searched for a humorous post of mine from SAMA about making home porn, to make a “point” in this thread.

http://en.wikipedia.org/…_out_of_context

Ad Hominem. This is a favorite of his. It’s quite transparent and requires no further explanation. He’s employing this now in the Jihad thread. He’s attacking someone’s age and experience instead of addressing their arguments. He has also disdainfully labeled some of you here, “atheist” for no other reason than your views do not comport with his own. Since you do not believe in “God”, you surely cannot have a dialogue about God right?

http://en.wikipedia.org/...wiki/Ad_hominem

Association Fallacy. He has done this several times in this thread.

http://en.wikipedia.org/...ciation_fallacy

Character Assassination. A favorite of cowards worldwide. ZEB even tries to bring to bear my “confession” (haha, lol I knew he’s like that) in the SAMA cheating thread to this thread. Hmmm.

http://en.wikipedia.org/...r_assassination

Fundamental Attribution Error. This is a favorite of our Good Christian ZEB. ZEB will pull you into the mud with him, start rasslin with ya, and then turn around and yell for everyone to hear how muddy you are, while he himself is still covered in slime.

http://en.wikipedia.org/...tribution_error

False Consensus Effect. This is illustrated where he attempts to bolster his attacks with the similar attacks of someone like Cortes. Remember in high school where one girl decided she didn’t like another girl anymore? What did she do? She attempted to enlist her girlfriends to disliking the girl. Once her girlfriends shared their disdain for the target of her hatred, the girl could then proclaim the target of her hatred, “unpopular”. ZEB still remembers his high school days quite well, in spite of his advanced age.

http://en.wikipedia.org/...onsensus_effect

Straw Man. A favorite of his, requires no real explanation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/.../wiki/Straw_man

LIE. As old as the snake in the garden of eden. Just lie. Quite amazing that the Christian on the site would adopt the ways of the snake.

http://en.wikipedia.org/...sambiguation)

Argument By Selective Observation:

Also called cherry picking, the enumeration of favorable circumstances, or as the philosopher Francis Bacon described it, counting the hits and forgetting the misses. For example, a state boasts of the Presidents it has produced, but is silent about its serial killers.

Non Sequitur.

This is another favorite of our Good Man. I’m surprised I missed it the first time as he has employed it consistently. For example, “Bodyguard wrote a primer (tongue in cheek) about home porn. Bodyguard is addicted to porn.” Or, “Bodyguard wrote a home porn primer on the adult section of an adult web site. Bodyguard is a great example to kids”.

Changing the Subject. This is used simultaneously with the other tactics. It’s the linchpin in his arsenal. Also commonly known as Digression, Red Herring, Misdirection, False Emphasis.

This tactic is generally used to avoid having to defend a claim. He reduces a thread to a series of personal attacks, thereby avoiding engaging in actual rebuttal. This tactic is diversionary in nature, and is often just obstructive, obtuse, or needling. For example, AEB has often quibbled in other threads about a poor analogy, or the grammar or spelling a person used. This tactic is an attempt to change the subject and make his target the object of ridicule (see number 7, False Consensus).

Failure to State:

If you make enough attacks, and ask enough questions, you may never have to actually define your own position on the topic. This is a ZEB keystone.

ZEB · March 14, 2011, 9:30pm