[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
Orion, what think you of this post?
[quote]comus3 wrote:
However, the emphasis on losing everything misses the point, for me at least. You have one life to live experiences and acquire things. You can’t take them with you unless you are king tut. I look at it as you take your chances and if you lose it all you pick up and start again. That’s how life is. You open a business, it doesn’t work, go bankrupt, start again. Get a job, lose it, get another one. Marriage fails, lose some stuff, get some more stuff.
On an end note. If you are afraid of trying an institutional relationship with a woman because you fear losing your things or are worried about her potential for sanity, loyalty, friendship or propensity to gain 110 pounds, (I won’t even mention coming to the relationship as a 30 year old virgin) then women, who are in general not stupid and can read people emotionally, will pick up on your fears and world view and will stay away from you. Not necessarily because they wanted your things but because it implies to them that you, at least by current society standards, are dysfunctional and a risky bet. For them your $114,000 a year or medical degree or STEM blah blah just isn’t worth it, marriage or non marriage. (And God help you the woman who is impressed by $114,000 a year)
Then your choice is insane, dysfunctional and duplicitous partner in relationship, marriage or non-marriage, or whacking it to Internet porn. [/quote]
To me it rings completely true. Your thinking is so divergent from mine, however, I’m curious about your reaction. And let me say while I’m at it that I always appreciate your willingness to share your outlook. (Wrong-headed tho it may be!)
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Well, there seem to be two points that were made.
The first one is that “risking everything”, because its worth it, which is something that is only demanded of men because women do not “risk everything”. This seems to me to be a case of overvaluing the almighty vagina.
No.
One sided risk → fuck her!
The second point is that a woman might reject you because you see the world the way it is.
Well, fuck her then too!
The idea that a woman can be supported by the taxpayer (men) and have her choices subsidized (by men) and still demand and demand and have her feelings validated…
In the end Captain 69 has a list of the 20 best escort girls in Europe, TER might have the same for the best in the US.
So much cheaper than a divorce, so much less heartbreak than seeing your kids only every two weeks…
So sorry but women made sure that all the advantages are on their side and there is this small thing I learned in Kindergarden:
If you make sure that you win no matter what, nobody wants to play with you.
We are getting there. [/quote]
I have more energy for this now. Point two is that healthy women will reject men who live in abject fear - of anything, doesn’t have to be divorce. Germ phobia would be a good analogy; sure, there is valid reason to fear deadly germs, they’re certainly out there and real, but trying to avoid risk makes you an OCD glove-wearing whack job. The point is that paranoia or fretfulness indicate dysfunction.
Also, the woman who gives up economic security to rely instead on the good wishes of another is the one who “risks everything.” SHE is the one stuck with the child or children if her former champion chooses to opt out and work only under the table (as many fine specimens do) to avoid paying support for his children out of bitterness to their mother.
Welfare - if this seems like adequate income to you then I question your financials, frankly.
From the Pew Research Center’s article “Breadwinner Moms” (which, btw were 40% of married couples with children in 2011. . .yes, that’s right! FORTY PERCENT of married U.S. couples with children are comprised of a wife who out-earns her husband): Breadwinner Moms | Pew Research Center
Sixty-five percent of married mothers with children work! The percentage of working married mothers rises to 75% once the kids hit age 6. MY GOODNESS, who knew?
And look at the handy graph above!
So you doomsayers are sort of talking out of your asses, huh? Which isn’t to say that bad things CAN’T happen, but they are statistically not the norm. Odds are much stronger that marriage will increase financial security for both partners.
