[quote]therajraj wrote:
By getting married, men are also forced to muzzle their primal desire of sexual variety.
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No, they are not forced to do anything. Marriage is voluntary in these here United States. [/quote]
What I’m saying is, that’s one of the tradeoffs for men getting married.
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Not to mention when that trade off does exist it is done knowingly by the man. He isn’t “tricked” into muzzling that urge. It’s his choice to make and he makes it. [/quote]
Not sure why you’re using tricked in quotation marks, I never used that in my post.
I’m merely pointing out it’s a sacrifice men make, I never suggested they made it unknowingly… A lot women are completely unaware of how big this sacrifice is for men.
While CA is a spousal support nightmare, it’s certainly not like that everywhere. In Cook County, IL (of which Chicago is part) spousal support is typically 2 years, although it can be extended. For example, a couple owns a business and decides to divorce. The man decides he’d like to keep running the business rather than sell it. The wife might agree and settle for a longer period of spousal support. Then people hear about how he’s paying spousal support for 10 years and complain about how the system is fucking men, when then wasn’t what happened at all.
Additionally, spousal support is tax deductible for the payer and taxable for the receiver. So it may be a good way to transfer assets over time to a low earning spouse while allowing the higher-earning spouse use of those assets. For example, a divorcing couple is sitting on $1MM in cash after everything is split up. The man is in a business where liquidity is paramount. The wife might agree to take very little now in exchange for a prolonged period of spousal support. Not only can the guy keep working, but he gets to deduct the support from his very high income (at very high tax rates) and she gets to pay very little in income tax because she may have little to no income outside of the support she’s receiving.
The moral of all this is, you (the general, “you”) have no idea what the divorce decree looks like. You can’t say that spousal support for 10 years is or is not fair without knowing all the other aspects.
Next, please, please, please stop saying that %50 of all marriages end in divorce. This falsehood started years ago when someone reported that there were 2.4MM marriages that year and 1.2MM divorces, but completely ignored the 54MM existing marriages. [/quote]
I think this post ignores the vindictive nature of many women.
[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
you really are lacking[/quote]
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOOL
Again, take a long look in the mirror. I’m not the one making false rape accusation threads, being disrespectful to my own mother to complete strangers, and acting as an expert on women when I (I’m talking about you here) barely know and have zero respect for the opposite sex.
I used quotation marks for emphasis and nothing else.
While CA is a spousal support nightmare, it’s certainly not like that everywhere. In Cook County, IL (of which Chicago is part) spousal support is typically 2 years, although it can be extended. For example, a couple owns a business and decides to divorce. The man decides he’d like to keep running the business rather than sell it. The wife might agree and settle for a longer period of spousal support. Then people hear about how he’s paying spousal support for 10 years and complain about how the system is fucking men, when then wasn’t what happened at all.
Additionally, spousal support is tax deductible for the payer and taxable for the receiver. So it may be a good way to transfer assets over time to a low earning spouse while allowing the higher-earning spouse use of those assets. For example, a divorcing couple is sitting on $1MM in cash after everything is split up. The man is in a business where liquidity is paramount. The wife might agree to take very little now in exchange for a prolonged period of spousal support. Not only can the guy keep working, but he gets to deduct the support from his very high income (at very high tax rates) and she gets to pay very little in income tax because she may have little to no income outside of the support she’s receiving.
The moral of all this is, you (the general, “you”) have no idea what the divorce decree looks like. You can’t say that spousal support for 10 years is or is not fair without knowing all the other aspects.
Next, please, please, please stop saying that %50 of all marriages end in divorce. This falsehood started years ago when someone reported that there were 2.4MM marriages that year and 1.2MM divorces, but completely ignored the 54MM existing marriages.
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Damn it! Blanket statements are so much fun to use when they fit my argument! You’re killin me Doc!
While CA is a spousal support nightmare, it’s certainly not like that everywhere. In Cook County, IL (of which Chicago is part) spousal support is typically 2 years, although it can be extended. For example, a couple owns a business and decides to divorce. The man decides he’d like to keep running the business rather than sell it. The wife might agree and settle for a longer period of spousal support. Then people hear about how he’s paying spousal support for 10 years and complain about how the system is fucking men, when then wasn’t what happened at all.
Additionally, spousal support is tax deductible for the payer and taxable for the receiver. So it may be a good way to transfer assets over time to a low earning spouse while allowing the higher-earning spouse use of those assets. For example, a divorcing couple is sitting on $1MM in cash after everything is split up. The man is in a business where liquidity is paramount. The wife might agree to take very little now in exchange for a prolonged period of spousal support. Not only can the guy keep working, but he gets to deduct the support from his very high income (at very high tax rates) and she gets to pay very little in income tax because she may have little to no income outside of the support she’s receiving.
The moral of all this is, you (the general, “you”) have no idea what the divorce decree looks like. You can’t say that spousal support for 10 years is or is not fair without knowing all the other aspects.
Next, please, please, please stop saying that %50 of all marriages end in divorce. This falsehood started years ago when someone reported that there were 2.4MM marriages that year and 1.2MM divorces, but completely ignored the 54MM existing marriages. [/quote]
I think this post ignores the vindictive nature of many women. [/quote]
[quote]therajraj wrote:
By getting married, men are also forced to muzzle their primal desire of sexual variety.
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No, they are not forced to do anything. Marriage is voluntary in these here United States. [/quote]
What I’m saying is, that’s one of the tradeoffs for men getting married.
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Not to mention when that trade off does exist it is done knowingly by the man. He isn’t “tricked” into muzzling that urge. It’s his choice to make and he makes it. [/quote]
Not sure why you’re using tricked in quotation marks, I never used that in my post.
I’m merely pointing out it’s a sacrifice men make, I never suggested they made it unknowingly… A lot women are completely unaware of how big this sacrifice is for men.
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Lol, I just put the word in quotes to emphasize it…
You’re post made it sound like it was a sacrifice forced on them, which isn’t true. I am merely point out it’s a sacrifice men make by choice.
Women also sacrifice sex with other men. Women like sex too.
While CA is a spousal support nightmare, it’s certainly not like that everywhere. In Cook County, IL (of which Chicago is part) spousal support is typically 2 years, although it can be extended. For example, a couple owns a business and decides to divorce. The man decides he’d like to keep running the business rather than sell it. The wife might agree and settle for a longer period of spousal support. Then people hear about how he’s paying spousal support for 10 years and complain about how the system is fucking men, when then wasn’t what happened at all.
Additionally, spousal support is tax deductible for the payer and taxable for the receiver. So it may be a good way to transfer assets over time to a low earning spouse while allowing the higher-earning spouse use of those assets. For example, a divorcing couple is sitting on $1MM in cash after everything is split up. The man is in a business where liquidity is paramount. The wife might agree to take very little now in exchange for a prolonged period of spousal support. Not only can the guy keep working, but he gets to deduct the support from his very high income (at very high tax rates) and she gets to pay very little in income tax because she may have little to no income outside of the support she’s receiving.
The moral of all this is, you (the general, “you”) have no idea what the divorce decree looks like. You can’t say that spousal support for 10 years is or is not fair without knowing all the other aspects.
Next, please, please, please stop saying that %50 of all marriages end in divorce. This falsehood started years ago when someone reported that there were 2.4MM marriages that year and 1.2MM divorces, but completely ignored the 54MM existing marriages. [/quote]
I think this post ignores the vindictive nature of many women. [/quote]
It completely does. WTF is wrong with that guy? Idiot. I’ll bet he majored in (B)ull (S)hit.
[quote]OldOgre wrote:
Brief and simplified version of my advice: 1-Be a man. 2-Love your woman. 3-Treat her like a lady. 4-Respect her. 5-Understand and accept that she is too good for you, that you are lucky to have her and that you should do anything that you have to do to make her happy. [/quote]
what if she isn’t a lady and therefore isn’t respectable?[/quote]
Then don’t marry her.
But also, ladies aren’t born, they’re made. Same thing goes for gentlemen. While I think speaking in terms of “ladies and gentlemen” sounds a bit ridiculous, being “civilized” isn’t something that just happens.
Personally, in addition to her parents, I think a man has a certain responsibility to make sure his lady is actually ladylike. And I think the woman has a similar role towards her guy.
If you just let her act out and behave however, you’re just enabling the behavior. It’s not your role to be her father, but it is important she knows what is and isn’t acceptable to you. (Again, this goes both ways.)
[quote]OldOgre wrote:
I have not read all of the posts and I am not interested in the studies and articles posted in the thread. All I know is that this March I will celebrate my 16th anniversary with my gorgeous wife whom I love with all of my heart. I fall more in love with her each and every day. It hasn’t been that difficult. If you do it right from the beginning, it shouldn’t be for you either.
Brief and simplified version of my advice: 1-Be a man. 2-Love your woman. 3-Treat her like a lady. 4-Respect her. 5-Understand and accept that she is too good for you, that you are lucky to have her and that you should do anything that you have to do to make her happy. [/quote]
I was busy compiling my data while you were posting. What a nice thing to read!
May I ask (given your screen name) if this is a second marriage?
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[quote]therajraj wrote:
By getting married, men are also forced to muzzle their primal desire of sexual variety.
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No, they are not forced to do anything. Marriage is voluntary in these here United States. [/quote]
Unless she squats in yoga pants, then your forced to marry.[/quote]
Being a quality cook and into sports can be added to the list.
As i get older, i ask myself “would i want her raising my children” more than “i bet she looks good naked”. Unfortunately most quality women are taken, or they look like bridge trolls and i dont care, or theyre hot but are strippers/crazy.
Personally, in addition to her parents, I think a man has a certain responsibility to make sure his lady is actually ladylike. And I think the woman has a similar role towards her guy.
If you just let her act out and behave however, you’re just enabling the behavior. It’s not your role to be her father, but it is important she knows what is and isn’t acceptable to you. (Again, this goes both ways.)[/quote]
are you suggesting that we shouldn’t treat women like adults?
I would just like to point out that 99% of this thread has nothing to do with the downfalls of getting married. It is almost exclusively talking about the pitfalls of divorce. Carry on.
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
I would just like to point out that 99% of this thread has nothing to do with the downfalls of getting married. It is almost exclusively talking about the pitfalls of divorce. Carry on. [/quote]
The pitfalls can be huge. The benefits can also be huge.
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[quote]therajraj wrote:
By getting married, men are also forced to muzzle their primal desire of sexual variety.
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No, they are not forced to do anything. Marriage is voluntary in these here United States. [/quote]
he said ‘by getting married’… so it’s in the marriage context.
thanks again for your dimwitted contribution lmao[/quote]
Lol, might want to look in the mirror pal. [/quote]
nice comeback, bro.[/quote]
Walkaway and Raj, How are men forced to muzzle their primal desires for sexual variety? By getting married?? Instead of the word “forced” why not use the phrase “decided that developing a meaningful emotional attachment is worth it to them” to muzzle their primal desire to for sexual variety. I still have those urges occasionally, despite my wife being hot as hell, even with random girls I see that when compared would not hold a candle to her looks wise. I am sure my wife has the same urges, although probably not as frequently.
Thing is, I love her, I wanted to be devoted to her, I believe fully and without reservation that she will be fully devoted to me for the rest of our lives. If you cant say that then you should not marry a person. Granted shit happens people cheat, men and women, and sometimes lines get crossed that cant be returned from. But if you live life so afraid of the bad shit that you dodge the possible good, then you aren’t living, you are merely existing and are nothing more than a sad shell of a human being.
