[quote]JeffR wrote:
Beowolf wrote:
You and HH seem to have differing opinions on this one.
It’s ok to have different opinions.
However, please explain what you are referring to.
Thanks.
JeffR
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Have you blocked his posts? I think HH has been pretty clear in exclaiming that our actions in the Middle East have more to do with oil snatching than with anything else.
[quote]JeffR wrote:
Beowolf,
They have NOT earned the right to speak down to us about foreign or domestic policies.
JeffR
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Just as we have not earned the right to speak down to them about their domestic policies, and yet most of you do it all the time.
[quote]Chushin wrote:
electric_eales wrote:
so you justify doing some bad shit by saying that some other people did some even badder shit before you?
No.
But we DO expect the assholes who did the “badder shit” to show a little humility and to NOT take a self-righteous, pompous, arrogant attitude toward us.[/quote]
That is actually no problem.
Since they are all dead and stuff…
Anything else?
[quote]electric_eales wrote:
so you justify doing some bad shit by saying that some other people did some even badder shit before you?
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Not at all. We just can not see how Europeans can feel like they are somehow above us, hate us, if you will, when they have done much worse.
My ancestors did some really bad stuff, and raped and pillaged their way around most of the globe, I do not condone it, in fact I am very ashamed of it, it has seriously back fired on us now anyway by granting all those former colony’s British passports, now there citizens are now invading us!
But just because I come form a country that has committed atrocities (hey not many people haven’t) does not mean that I cannot be opposed to the current American government, its foreign policies and the war in the ME
I do not feel above Americans i do not feel that I talk down to them, If I have negative opinions about America it is at government level, I do not fell any resentment towards American citizens, I also do not feel above them in any way.
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
My friend lived in Germany for a yea and said all the girls loved him there because he was from the US. My friend is not a liar. [/quote]
Well, women like men…not girly men who run and hide if some Muslim fanatic shakes a fist at him…they actually like men. Its no wonder that those girls liked him; probably the first testosterone they’d experienced in a long while.
[quote]Mishima wrote:
“the europeans” do not dislike “the americans”. most of the people here are opposed to the foreign politics of the US - well, that is something we share with many of you.
we sometimes fail to differ between politics and the actual people living in the US. that is a mistake.
I understand that you can not stand when we talk “down” to you. But I urge you to listen to some of the voices from abroad.
When I read articles like the latest by Naomi Wolf about the US turning into a closed society I am really worried. We have been there. Learn from our bad example. What will happen to the free world when the US is not a free anymore?
as I have said before I don´t think there is a big difference between a common american and the common european. we share a lot of values and live by the same code of honor. [/quote]
THIS is an example of constructive criticism. As an American, I am far likely to respond to a European who posts in this manner.
Thanks, Mishima.
First of all, I hear you Mishima. I can tell you that there are those of us who think we have TOO MANY LAWS.
That will shock some of my friends on this board. However, some of our laws are too restrictive. Some are stupid. Others are ineffectual.
I can say that many of our root problems start with broken homes. Not teaching values.
These values end up on the law books.
They don’t need to be there. It makes us too litigious, jumpy, and restrictive.
However, I caution you, if the Patriot Act is in the forefront of your mind. I do not consider this an example of too much restriction. It is imperfect and needs refining. However, it is necessary. You’ll notice that no European nor American can come up with an alternative that would satisfy our security needs. Further, if we are hit again, you’ll see these same people SCREAMING about our lack of intelligence gathering.
JeffR
[quote]electric_eales wrote:
so you justify doing some bad shit by saying that some other people did some even badder shit before you?
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I’m not justifying ANYTHING. I’m saying that your failure to address your own shortcomings PRIOR to castigating us for THE SAME ISSUES, ends any chance for constructive discourse. It’s insulting in the extreme. Further, it brands you a hypocrite.
JeffR
[quote]Beowolf wrote:
JeffR wrote:
Beowolf wrote:
You and HH seem to have differing opinions on this one.
It’s ok to have different opinions.
However, please explain what you are referring to.
Thanks.
JeffR
Have you blocked his posts? I think HH has been pretty clear in exclaiming that our actions in the Middle East have more to do with oil snatching than with anything else.[/quote]
Beowolf,
I haven’t blocked his posts. I admit to not reading every post. I’m pretty busy.
If H.H. postulates that we are there to “snatch” oil, he isn’t expressing an opinion, he’s expressing a falsehood.
If we were there to take oil, there’d be Green Zones around the oil fields. There would be a glut of oil on the market. OPEC would be screaming to high heaven about the prices falling due to the extra supply.
Even if the Americans were somehow in league with OPEC to keep the prices high (maximize profit), WE WOULD AT LEAST USE IRAQI OIL TO FUND THE RECONSTRUCTION.
I will not downplay the importance of Iraq being a part of rich oil fields. Oil is obviously a factor. It’s the major reason the area is so important.
However, “snatching oil” isn’t even part of the gameplan.
JeffR
[quote]orion wrote:
Chushin wrote:
electric_eales wrote:
so you justify doing some bad shit by saying that some other people did some even badder shit before you?
No.
But we DO expect the assholes who did the “badder shit” to show a little humility and to NOT take a self-righteous, pompous, arrogant attitude toward us.
That is actually no problem.
Since they are all dead and stuff…
Anything else?
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bota,
ss–soren kam
ss–erich steidtmann
That took four seconds,
JeffR
[quote]Chushin wrote:
orion wrote:
Chushin wrote:
electric_eales wrote:
so you justify doing some bad shit by saying that some other people did some even badder shit before you?
No.
But we DO expect the assholes who did the “badder shit” to show a little humility and to NOT take a self-righteous, pompous, arrogant attitude toward us.
That is actually no problem.
Since they are all dead and stuff…
Anything else?
No, they are not “all dead and stuff,” asshole. In fact, thanks to the generation of YOU and YOUR FATHER, the living ones aren’t all even imprisoned. And many died quite comfortable because YOU and YOUR father never had the integrity to see them prosecuted for their crimes.
More importantly, MILLIONS of their victims still live (and suffer).
So don’t act like your hands are “all clean and stuff.”
Oh yeah, you asked if there was anything else: Why don’t you tell me exactly when it is that a nation ceases being responsible for any heinous acts it commits, OK?
Also, I’d like to know what the Great Whorion is personally doing to make the world a better place. You seem chock full of criticisms; are you actually DOING anything? Besides your impressive effort to change the world via posting on a bodybuilding site, that is. [/quote]
OK, if you actually meet an old SS officer talking down to you you have a right to be annoyed.
Then, millions of their victims still live?
Hardly.
I cannot speak for my father but I will definitely not waste my time chasing down senile old farts that are not fit for a trial anyway.
A nation is never responsible for anything, people are. Since I was born 30 years after Auschwitz I feel no responsibility whatsoever.
Finally, I do not need to make the world a better place. Not being part of a society that makes the world living hell for hundreds of thousands of people is actually enought for me.
I do not aspire to be a saint but since you like the Nazis so much I do not want to be a “Mitläufer” either.
[quote]JeffR wrote:
orion wrote:
Chushin wrote:
electric_eales wrote:
so you justify doing some bad shit by saying that some other people did some even badder shit before you?
No.
But we DO expect the assholes who did the “badder shit” to show a little humility and to NOT take a self-righteous, pompous, arrogant attitude toward us.
That is actually no problem.
Since they are all dead and stuff…
Anything else?
bota,
ss–soren kam
ss–erich steidtmann
That took four seconds,
JeffR
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If one of them posted here, he had a point.
Since they don´t he hasn`t.
[quote]orion wrote:
JeffR wrote:
orion wrote:
Chushin wrote:
electric_eales wrote:
so you justify doing some bad shit by saying that some other people did some even badder shit before you?
No.
But we DO expect the assholes who did the “badder shit” to show a little humility and to NOT take a self-righteous, pompous, arrogant attitude toward us.
That is actually no problem.
Since they are all dead and stuff…
Anything else?
bota,
ss–soren kam
ss–erich steidtmann
That took four seconds,
JeffR
If one of them posted here, he had a point.
Since they don´t he hasn`t.
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bota,
The sort of clumsy, amateurish response for which you are noted.
Maybe they do post here. Maybe you are one of them.
If you aren’t, I’ll bet you know some ss members.
Either way, they aren’t dead.
The horror for which your country participated, is fresh enough to be WITHIN LIVING MEMORY.
Oh, there is a large list of holocaust survivors. They aren’t all “dead and stuff.”
By the way, your casual disregard for the horrors your country caused says quite a bit about you.
JeffR
[quote]orion wrote:
OK, if you actually meet an old SS officer talking down to you you have a right to be annoyed.
Then, millions of their victims still live?
Hardly.
I cannot speak for my father but I will definitely not waste my time chasing down senile old farts that are not fit for a trial anyway.
A nation is never responsible for anything, people are. Since I was born 30 years after Auschwitz I feel no responsibility whatsoever.
Finally, I do not need to make the world a better place. Not being part of a society that makes the world living hell for hundreds of thousands of people is actually enought for me.
I do not aspire to be a saint but since you like the Nazis so much I do not want to be a “Mitläufer” either.
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bota,
How convenient for you.
No one is going to listen to an austrian trying to lecture others on human right violations.
Not going to happen.
You might as well shut your hole as even our far-left liberals will tune you out.
Note: It might be a good idea to wait until everyone involved is dead.
Until then, you just look like a callous POS.
JeffR
[quote]JeffR wrote:
bota,
How convenient for you.
No one is going to listen to an austrian trying to lecture others on human right violations.
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But you read it Jeffie…
You read it all…
Every last sentence…
If nobody else does, you do…