Get the glands removed, then go on without having to worry.
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I hardly have enough to warrant surgery. Itās a non issue.
I had the glands removed by one of the top surgeons at the time who came up with the procedure of going through the armpit and gyno still returned (much less than previously) on one side years later. Itās not easy for them to excise 100% of the gland.
Being on around 200mg for years has not had any impact on my pre-existing gyno. Iāve gotten to the point I donāt care about it. The only people that really notice it is me and girls love my chest so fuck it.
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I had mine done in Canadia 
I swung it so it wasnt done by a Gen Surg but by a Plastic One and had it covered by my health benefits, so the surgeon flat out said he does not like to remove 100% of the gland for aesthetic reason so I think about 10-15% was left in thereā¦but I feel it in the weirdest of timesā¦after a poor sleep, avocados, spinach, beer, whiskeyā¦so anything that has phytoestrogens or anything that tanks my test and elevates e. I def wanna keep it simple if i do my cycle just start with test e and not do any AI as i feel like ive done enough research that makes me a believer that a healthy dose of e is essential while on cycle and run a SERM for pct. keep my test e at about 300/wk splitting it into 2 pinsā¦i think the only thing that scares me most is the unknown lol of how my tittays will react and just body in general. im 33 225 5ā10 about 14%bf ā¦i do shift work so to the OPā¦my test goes up and down as does my immune system as does my e im sure solely based on even the quality of sleep i getā¦
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This is for short term cycles if you are bringing up PCTā¦ Correct? Your not on TRT, right?
correct 12 weeks max im thinking ā¦no TRT
You might get more advice in the pharma sectionā¦ Considering they will discuss pct there and here that is preety much irrelevant.
sometimes the problem is only training volume, lack of rest days and too much strengh work ( nervous system is down ).
You simply donāt have a clue as to the importance of estrogen management, as you say things such as this. At the end of the day, most men do best with E2 between 20-30pg/ml. It depends on the personās estrogen/androgen receptor sensitivity as well. Gyno DOES happen if E2 goes too high regardless of the Testosterone level. Libido and erections need E2 at a HEALTHY 20-30pg/ml range. Yes, perhaps you can function well at higher levels, but most men do not. Iād bet your estrogen/androgen receptors are actually inferior relatively speaking to other men. Iām not trying to be rude, but many men are reading your opinion that letting E2 run high is no cause for concern is reckless. So, you can run high amounts of Test and also let your E2 get high without incident because your receptors may not respond like most men do. Meaning you probably canāt build as much muscle without a much higher Test. dosage compared to a normal androgen responsive male. It depends on how you look at it. This could be advantageous in that you can have very high test AND E2 levels without side effects like gyno, but it also means you need to take much higher test. dosages to build the same as another person would. End rant.
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Most men do best at 20-30.
Jesus.
And you say I have no understanding?
You are lost my friend. Lost. Watch the interviews Iāve done with physicians. Every single one of them explains why you donāt block or manage estrogen.
And he says IāM lost. Sheesh.
I just re-read your post. Everything you said there is the opposite of reality. There is literally nothing that you have provided that is factual. Nothing. Zero. Nada.
I can send you over 1000 guys that will demolish everything you have said here.
Come and join my FB group with over 2000 members. Post that in the group and watch what happens. It would be hilarious.
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Well, you can come to my house after Iāve taken proviron for a week and check my dick yourself. Why would I make this up?.
Every single vitamin d supplement has done the same. Again why would I make this up?
I brought it up because I couldnāt believe proviron would have that effect on me, or anyone for that matter.
Whatās with the accusations? You keep accusing me of lying which I am absolutely not.
Here we gooooooo
@equel let me know about the carbs when you have a chanceā¦ Just to rule it out. Iāve seen this a few times only after Eric taught me about it.
Hormones and vitamins effect us all the same way. We are all humans. The only difference is rate of metabolism. So please explain how proviron caused your gyno to flare up and how vit d tanked your libido. There is no possible explanation. Its made up hocus pocus. Unless you are an alien?
They donāt affect us all the same way. Just as food doesnāt affect us all the same way. This is generally understood by everyone.
I have no explanation about the Proviron. Thatās why I mentioned and stated, āI have no explanationā. I have multiple posts about the vitamin D experience and even mention it in two videos Iāve done followed by āI have no explanationā which is funny because Iām measurably deficient in Vitamin D.
This isnāt made up. I have no reason to lie. If you want to continue to troll this forum youāre really going to start pissing a lot of people off. Can you piss off already and go troll another forum instead?
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Everyone, if this GSX troll continues to run rampant with his nonsense and accusations of flat out lying, Iām not sticking around. Itās one thing to disagree and debate. Itās another thing to be accused of lying and making shit up. Iām not here to pull false information out of my ass. Iām here to help. I donāt need to be doing this if my time would be better spent or appreciated elsewhere.
Trt Phoenix also told me with CERTAINTY that 200mg test is a full on cycle for the vast majority of men
Donāt leave though, if you leaveā¦ the troll got the best of youā¦ and you give out good adviceā¦ you donāt spew broscience/disproven ideology
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@dbossa no one is listening to either of those guys. When they post it makes you look smarter. They are stuck in 1991 TRT world. They constantly post shit that the whole forum knows is not true and they arenāt aware enough to realize it.
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But this isnāt true at allā¦ if it were the case, how come some can handle deca, tren etc whilst others become jealous, paranoid, limp dicked zombies
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Alrightā¦ find me ONE piece of literature that confirms thisā¦ JUST ONE STUDY or citationā¦ no???
Okay, aside from the risk of increase triglyceridesā¦ tell me the inherent risks from walking around with marginally elevated E2 when in conjunction with elevated androgen concentrations. Check this out
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/1557988314539000
If the optimal E2 range is 20-30pg/mlā¦ which it isnāt, thatās bullshitā¦ why would this study conclude sexual dysfunction was more prevelant in cohorts with E2 below 42pg/ml?
Back up youāre statements or prepare to be called out
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