Why Do Americans Care So Much About Freedom

I found it fascinating when you wrote about your complex sexuality in another thread and your thought process about it since no one I know dares to talk about shit like this IRL. Not even the flaming homosexuals I know lol.

Different strokes.

I read this forum because I find Western culture fascinating too.

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Has to do with the freedom of consuming a substance that I want to consume and the freedom of paying a woman for sex without legal repercussions.

And the freedom to be facetious.

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Some people are just fucked in the head, really.

I mean, having a drink with a prostitute? That’s just messed up, dude.

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I’d argue you can consume this substance provided it doesn’t endanger others. From what I’ve anecdotally experienced cocaine can turn people into overconfident dickheads. It’s arguably one of the least safe recreational drugs give the effects on cardiac conduction, oxygen demand and output, blood pressure, arterial constriction etc. That being said, realistically speaking acute use (probably) won’t lead to significant consequence provided you don’t have a means to procure more on the night of use (so you don’t end up with an empty bank account lol) and use is highly infrequent.

Even then, like alcohol there are many who cannot use casually and thus the substance destroys their life. Though back to the topic at hand
 freedom

So long as it doesn’t infringe on the freedom/safety of others, knock yourself out.

I was alone, had just consumed an upper and I normally can’t fall asleep easily after sex for some reason lol. It was either that or stay in the hotel room and watch late night reruns of Zatoichi.

Oh, I also watched Midnight Cowboy for the first time on TV in China. So much for “strict censorship”.

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No you didn’t. it was a rare state of cocaine induced psychosis that made you believe China wouldn’t censor a movie about prostitution

Joking

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Lol that was in 2011. I hypothetically hadn’t touched any form of illegal substance including roids for years at that time.

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Would you hypothetically touch steroids again?

and stay away from that devils lettuce young whippersnapper, it’ll make you permanently infertile

The devils lettuce is a euphemism for cannabis

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I hypothetically did for some time in in 2013 or 2014 after starting to workout again. Can’t remember. Previously stopped training in 2005 IIRC. My thought process was simply “I’m experienced in this shit so I’ll get to where I want to be faster and stop”, which I did but only after fucking up my shoulder again. I’m hypothetically off everything atm.

Could opt for trt if you have anabolic steroid mediated subclinical hypogonadism. It’s not impossible given the duration of cumulative exposure you hypothetically have.

Subclinical hypogonadism can elicit adverse effects on glucose metabolism, fat distribution, bone mineral density, muscle mass maintenance as we age etc.

125mg t/wk (or whatever dose you want so long as it isn’t absurd) long term with consistency regarding exercise supercedes one cycle here and there + intermittently working out.

Yeah, it’s an option. But my hormone profile is quite satisfactory right now. It’s why I hypothetically wasn’t afraid to start roids again since I don’t get much adverse side effects from anything other than deca and my HPTA bounces back pretty fast after I stop*.

*It’s not the same for everyone, guys. Better research on the potential risks before doing shit.

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Uh, I could be wrong but I don’t think Caesar or some Egyptian pharaoh confiscated guns.

What about the property rights of a business owner that wishes to allow smoking in their establishment? Surely a health conscious person could choose a competing business. Goverment buildings, yes, they’d fall into the ban smoking for equal treatment under law and general health you refer to.

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Maine has this problem solved. Since you can’t allow smoking in bars and restaurants open to the public, you just need to open up a “club”.

Membership is entirely voluntary and you can smoke all of the cigarettes in there.

The bar I bounced at (where you can’t smoke anything inside, at least not for very long) has a decades-long tradition of letting you smoke all the weed you want, so long as you’re just around the corner from the front door. This libertarian-minded policy long predates the legalization and even decriminalization of marijuana at our state level, which was one of the first to pass this long-standing policy priority of mine. Do you have any idea how much of my weed profits I had to spend to defend myself against immoral accusations of possessing weed by my local government during the 1990’s?

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Property rights are racist.

False. Consumers are unable to choose correctly. Have you learned nothing from the Civil Rights Acts of the 1960s?

You seem to have somehow developed the belief that people can do things on their own. You probably think you would be able to cross a street without a crossing signal, don’t you?

I rest my case.

Racist.

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Well you can theoretically smoke in any bar/club here, just expect to be chucked out lol.

I can’t understand why someone would WANT to smoke cannabis at a bar. Getting a little bit tipsy and engaging in meaningless, purely superficial interactions with randoms for a few hours can be fun. But cannabis? In a public venue like a bar, what’s the allure.

The Netherlands has a similar approach via “coffeeshops”, it doesn’t take away the “organised criminal syndicate” nature away from the cannabis trade (one of my biggest arguments for theoretically legalising and selling top tier, dirt cheap cannabis to consumers who are above the legal age) but it does create a safe haven to avoid arrest for those who wish to partake.

So it WASN’T tomatoes you were growing? Were these profits spent on lawyers or bribes? I have an old friend in the USA who last year had to go to court over possessing a gram of cannabis
 absolutely ridiculous, waste of time, money and resources. To boot the kid is of lower socioeconomic status, he can’t afford to be tied up in the courts.

By all means, go ahead. I have no problem with private businesses allowing smoking on their premises, no one is forced to enter a cigar lounge/club. In Spain (I went to one of these to check it out) they had clubs like this for those who wanted to smoke a joint, you could legally purchase and use there while keeping it out of public eye. @twojarslave I don’t know if you know about this but in Europe they have “hashish” which is the pollen from the mature flower compressed into a block or rolled by hand into a ball. It’s typically smoked in the form of a rolled cigarette and it’s stronger (and was much cheaper) than flower cannabis on a gram per gram basis.

The problem arises from the legitimate prospect you may be supporting terrorism by purchasing hashish, as much of it is grown in the middle east by extremist groups. What’s more a large portion of the compressed pollen in Spain (in Barcelona I think) when analysed was found to be contaminated with faecal matter
 I’ll let you put two and two together lol.

In Australia we have shisha bars, somehow shisha tobacco is exempt from regulatory practices on tobacco because “woke
 culture
”. I actually went to one of these about two months back, it was actually very relaxing.

It should be noted laws like this however aren’t prioritised by me, rather I view them as a general correlation to how “free” a country might be. There are far more pressing societal issues I’d like tackled in Australia prior to politicians focusing on where you can/can’t smoke.

Though it looks as if within Aus/NZ tobacco will be banned/only sold on pharmacies within 5-10 years. It’s an interesting concept, as doing so in my opinion will allow criminal syndicates to almost entirely take control of the market if/when tobacco is more or less banned but one can get some at a pharmacists discretion for like 100$/pack.

Every second/third privately owned tobacco store and independent small chain supermarket sells imported cigarettes under the counter at a fraction of the 40-50$/pack cost here. What’s more “chop chop” (black market rolling tobacco) is also popular here. Chop chop is actually quite dangerous as growing standards by criminal syndicates aren’t up to par. Contamination with mold, large amounts of pesticides etc are the norm and the practice of illicit tobacco grows in Aus is so profitable and rampant the government can’t just “stamp it out”. Import cigarettes = organised crime, chop chop = organised crime


As a result of excessive draconian policy they’ve created a new set of public health hazards, ironic isn’t it? The USA has a (in most states) lower rate of smokers per capita compared to Aus and they don’t have plain packaging, bans in public/everywhere, pricing of 50$/pack.

There are also the kids who go without food as parents spend their income on cigarettes (remember nearly 50$/pack, and aids to quitting are almost just as expensive). These new laws/regulatory practices seem to impact the poorest members of society disproportionately (not a race thing, it’s a class thing).

With the newly near illicit nature of tobacco there’s a chance it’ll incentivize rebellious, edgy kids to take up smoking again as has happened in Aus with vaping. Electronic cigarettes are extremely popular amongst the youth demographic, with just about everyone on my floor owning one (I don’t, fuck that noise).

Why? Because it’s not legal, that’s why!

Freedom of choice coupled with non biased, factual educational campaigns to the public appears to be the best way to reduce public burden as opposed to making something illicit/creating such a taboo around a vice so that an allure develops

The statistics surrounding tobacco when put on paper are terrifying enough to persuade even most modern day teenagers to not pick up the habit.

It’s an old photo but as you ban see in the calisthenics thread I’ve regained some size after inconsistent training in the past year. Thanks for the compliment though.

I guess what I wrote isn’t loaded. However I try to refrain from serious posting these days because I can’t commit to a thread. Therefore if and when someone does take the snarky, wiseass way in discussion, it has to be left open ended, something that is related to what I wrote.

Here’s the post again:

“Talk of possibility of violent retribution goes for insults generally, not just racist insults. Actually much of the snark on this board could have serious consequences in some parts of this world. Some men in their younger years, some whom I know and have since “grown up”, in so-called “Old NYC” would have loved nothing better than to deal with random snide remarks, especially if they were insulted in front of other people, including swarm attacks with their buddies, hitting with no warning whatsoever, and maybe a weapon coming into the works.

I’ll never forget that time when I saw a 6’2” guy, good with his hands, who I went to high school with, after feeling insulted, kept quiet, only to later creep up behind the guy, abruptly scream at the top of his lungs, “You got a —- problem?!” and deliver a haymaker to the back of the head. Having about a dozen of his violently inclined buddies chomping at the bit around didn’t allow much of a defense.

This was pre-Internet forums and social media though.”

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I don’t care why they’re exempt, only that they stay exempt. Hookah is the shit. Everyone should be able to chill with one. I’ll even give the woke-ists credit! Don’t care as long as they can stay around

But it’s also a form of inhalable, combustible tobacco. Whether it’s fun or not
 it’s not good for you

Though I don’t believe hookah bars ought to be banned. The specific demographic attending these bars ARE those looking to smoke, it’s akin to the “private club” mentality. From my standpoint, if you don’t want to be exposed to smoke, then what are you doing at a shisha bar

Again
so?

We do many things because they’re fun not healthy lol

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