At a home gym that would be easy to set up but I’m of course talking about a commercial gym where all you’d need would be a towel or length of nylon rope. The problem with rows is would be best if you had a chest support and with pull downs the height has to be right. I’ve done rows using the end of the Land Mine bar and it worked OK but would be a lot better seated with a chest support.
Isn’t this idea similar to the style of training the Roman Gladiators did, or was it Greeks that would use one person as resistance for the other in their training? Point is the idea seemed to be an older one then we might think, but also if it’s the same as the one I’m thinking of, very effective as well.
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Then we have no external load training, or “flex for gains” training:
Arthur Jones wrote:
From Here to Infinity… or very close
The potential benefits of the Duo Squat machine are not limited to the development and muscular strength and size… since this machine also provides the best possible source of cardiovascular benefits. Not “one of the best sources”… THE BEST POSSIBLE SOURCE OF CARDIOVASCULAR BENEFITS. And, probably the safest.
Too strong? An overstatement? Don’t be too quick to judge… literally anything that can be accomplished by any type or amount of running, or any type of stationary bicycle riding, can be accomplished on this machine; all of the benefits, and then some… and none of the problems.
With the use of the akinetic device incorporated into this machine, it is possible to preselect a work-load of almost any desired level, high or low, or in between… then the exercise can be performed at any desired speed of movement, from very slow to the fastest speed of movement that is possible while working against the selected work-load.
Without producing even the slightest amount of kinetic energy, without causing the weights to “float” upwards as a result of kinetic energy produced by fast movement. Without the pounding that unavoidably is involved in any form of running or jogging. Without the sacrifice of the negative part of the work that is involved in any form of isokinetic exercise. While providing exactly the desired range of movement… from a full range of possible movement to a very limited range of movement if this is desired.
The normal “lock out” that occurs at the end of a full movement in this machine can be utilized or avoided, as you choose. If you desire to avoid the locked-out position, for whatever reason, then it is only necessary to adjust the seat slightly and a locked-out finishing position becomes impossible.
With the use of any one of a wide variety of readily available pulse monitoring devices, it becomes easily possible to utilize this machine for cardiovascular improvement while keeping your pulse very, very close to any desired level.
You are using the same muscles in this machine that are involved in either running or bicycle riding, but you are using a far larger part of those muscles because of the much greater range of movement… which means that you will get even better cardiovascular benefits while increasing both your strength and your flexibility at the same time, results that are denied you by running or bicycle riding.
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The akinetic bar is not needed to perform infimetric exercise. A selected weight can remain nearly motionless while performing infimetrics. I can perform infimetrics on my Nautilus multi biceps , multi triceps, and hip & back machine. Nautilus Next Gen chest machine had independent arms also.
No research ever was reported on cardiovascular results from a line of Nautilus infimetric machines. Should there have been?
Arthur Jones never had factual evidence of the CV benefits of Nautilus infimetrics.
What might have been!
Interesting idea. I suppose you would try to optimize the muscle contraction (intensity, duration, and speed) to have more of the characteristics of traditional cardio?
Not sure if it would be any less tedious than traditional cardio…
We had this Stairmaster Crossrobics machine in our weight room for a while.
It worked the same way as using the Duo-Squat in Akinetic mode. It was a killer conditioning machine. We sold it, because no one wanted to use it because it was a real bitch to use even with a moderate weight. 10 or 12 minutes was about all even the best conditioned could stand. Looking back now, we should have used it in an Interval training style. I don’t think it sold very well because it was a lot tougher than using a regular stairmaster.
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While intriguing for cardiovascular fitness, infimetrics need to follow certain guidelines of at least a minimum of 50 percent of the body’s muscle mass be utilized. There would be other cardiovascular training guidelines for success while incorporating infimetrics.
I do not have the same delayed oxygen debt with floating isometrics on the Nautilus multi biceps or multi triceps, as with infimetrics on the Nautilus hip & back . Floating infimetrics on the Nautilus h & b will cause severe delayed oxygen debt, and one can perform isometrics as fast as one can.
An older Nautilus decline press with independent training arms along with the Nautilus pullover with an independent movement arm are other infimetric candidates for training.
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Do you have a link to any articles about the device and methods? Is there any development of a commercial version in the works?
Try searching infimetrics on YouTube. At one time there was a gentleman there who was using his homemade (?) equipment for workouts. Here is a Nautilus machine being used.
That’s Mike Patrella, isn’t it? (the standing guy)
I do not know.
Yes, it is
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Thank You!
The Stairmasters CrossRobics machine is interesting.
However, the logic behind infimetrics is lacking due to : the body is a unit, though it is made up of many parts; and though all its parts are many, they form one unit. Therefore, the nervous system and muscular system are interconnected, Thus, pitting one limb against another violates the principle of the body working as a unit. Not a well thought out paradigm of exercise modality.
However, the CrossRobics machine is intriguing
This machine was Not a true infimetric machine. You were not working one limb against the other. It had a weight stack. By alternately leg pressing the pedals, you kept the weight stack in a “floating” position. You preselected a weight and an amount of time to do the exercise. Lighter for a longer time, or heavier for a shorter time. It never caught on. But, I think it was a very good piece of equipment. Low impact, and used a lot of muscle.
This may be one of the few weight lifting methods that allow true cardio exercise ie. A rapid , rhythmical, contraction of agonist and antagonist muscles comprising at least 50% of those total tissues.
A truly interesting machine
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Here is a gentleman who I came across years ago, he has some infimetric machines.
That sounds really interesting.
Being from the UK , a long time HIT advocate , a former natural competitor and someone with a home gym , this sounds like something which could potentially be of benefit to me , so I am certainly eager to hear more
Regards
Mark Houghton