[quote]kaaleppi wrote:
He has faith, still does, nothing to do with christianity.[/quote]
Has a bit to do with Christianity. If he had faith if he put his trust in Christ rather then himself those 80+ people would still be alive and he may have grown to be a productive member of society. That’s just my opinion.
Althought he could truly be mentally disturbed just as easily which is more likely in my opinion.
[quote]CRisCO wrote:
[quote]kaaleppi wrote:
I have accepted him several times, not a bleep, I must be doing something wrong. But that was not the point. Breivik has faith, maybe it withers some day and he kills himself, hopefully so but you have to choose the right faith, don’t you, Hare Krishna for example wont do.[/quote]
I don’t understand what you mean here btw? Are you saying you tried to accept him and he didn’t answer you?[/quote]
Very perceptive of you. That’s how it has always been. No answers, not anything. I still talk to him occasionally though he never answers.
[quote]kaaleppi wrote:
Very perceptive of you. That’s how it has always been. No answers, not anything. I still talk to him occasionally though he never answers.[/quote]
Ever wonder if maybe he isn’t the problem?
Isa 55:8-9
8 For My thoughts are not your thoughts,
Nor are your ways My ways,declares the LORD.
9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth,
So are My ways higher than your ways
Kaal one thing I’ve learned about the lord is that he is a doer not a talker and he pretty clearly calls us a stupid and says hey stop trying to figure it out all the time.
Rest assured the lord hears you brother. He may not answer exactly the way you wish he would but he does in his own way.
I more then anything wish he would just put his hand on my shoulder and reveal the secrets of the universe to me but it’s not going to happen. That’s why when you surrender to him you understand that it most definately is HIS will be done.
[quote]CRisCO wrote:
[quote]kaaleppi wrote:
Very perceptive of you. That’s how it has always been. No answers, not anything. I still talk to him occasionally though he never answers.[/quote]
Ever wonder if maybe he isn’t the problem?
Isa 55:8-9
8 For My thoughts are not your thoughts,
Nor are your ways My ways,declares the LORD.
9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth,
So are My ways higher than your ways
Kaal one thing I’ve learned about the lord is that he is a doer not a talker and he pretty clearly calls us a stupid and says hey stop trying to figure it out all the time.
Rest assured the lord hears you brother. He may not answer exactly the way you wish he would but he does in his own way.
I more then anything wish he would just put his hand on my shoulder and reveal the secrets of the universe to me but it’s not going to happen. That’s why when you surrender to him you understand that it most definately is HIS will be done.[/quote]
If you allow, I’ll be sarcastic just a little more. Gee, I have never thought about that.
Yes, I have thought about that, I have even thought that it is the way it must be for me, who knows. Anyway, I have never received anything that would make me cry out loud that I Belive.
[quote]kaaleppi wrote:
Yes, I have thought about that, I have even thought that it is the way it must be for me, who knows. Anyway, I have never received anything that would make me cry out loud that I Belive.[/quote]
Open the door if you hear a knocking.
[quote]kaaleppi wrote:
[quote]CRisCO wrote:
[quote]kaaleppi wrote:
Very perceptive of you. That’s how it has always been. No answers, not anything. I still talk to him occasionally though he never answers.[/quote]
Ever wonder if maybe he isn’t the problem?
Isa 55:8-9
8 For My thoughts are not your thoughts,
Nor are your ways My ways,declares the LORD.
9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth,
So are My ways higher than your ways
Kaal one thing I’ve learned about the lord is that he is a doer not a talker and he pretty clearly calls us a stupid and says hey stop trying to figure it out all the time.
Rest assured the lord hears you brother. He may not answer exactly the way you wish he would but he does in his own way.
I more then anything wish he would just put his hand on my shoulder and reveal the secrets of the universe to me but it’s not going to happen. That’s why when you surrender to him you understand that it most definately is HIS will be done.[/quote]
If you allow, I’ll be sarcastic just a little more. Gee, I have never thought about that.
Yes, I have thought about that, I have even thought that it is the way it must be for me, who knows. Anyway, I have never received anything that would make me cry out loud that I Belive.[/quote]
Don’t feel too bad, many are called but few are chosen. (Matthew 22:14)
[quote]CRisCO wrote:
[quote]kaaleppi wrote:
Yes, I have thought about that, I have even thought that it is the way it must be for me, who knows. Anyway, I have never received anything that would make me cry out loud that I Belive.[/quote]
Open the door if you hear a knocking.[/quote]
I’ll do that. Right now it seems that I’m accepted just as I am.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]kaaleppi wrote:
[quote]CRisCO wrote:
[quote]kaaleppi wrote:
Very perceptive of you. That’s how it has always been. No answers, not anything. I still talk to him occasionally though he never answers.[/quote]
Ever wonder if maybe he isn’t the problem?
Isa 55:8-9
8 For My thoughts are not your thoughts,
Nor are your ways My ways,declares the LORD.
9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth,
So are My ways higher than your ways
Kaal one thing I’ve learned about the lord is that he is a doer not a talker and he pretty clearly calls us a stupid and says hey stop trying to figure it out all the time.
Rest assured the lord hears you brother. He may not answer exactly the way you wish he would but he does in his own way.
I more then anything wish he would just put his hand on my shoulder and reveal the secrets of the universe to me but it’s not going to happen. That’s why when you surrender to him you understand that it most definately is HIS will be done.[/quote]
If you allow, I’ll be sarcastic just a little more. Gee, I have never thought about that.
Yes, I have thought about that, I have even thought that it is the way it must be for me, who knows. Anyway, I have never received anything that would make me cry out loud that I Belive.[/quote]
Don’t feel too bad, many are called but few are chosen. (Matthew 22:14)[/quote]
If I can just die and thats it I’m okay with it. I don’t want to live forever. It was a horrifying thought as child and it still is.
[quote]kaaleppi wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
Before the Internet (not something TigerTime even remembers) 18 year kids actually had to know what they were talking about BEFORE entering into a face to face debate about such grand topics. So, keep in mind as we move along we all love the Internet and what it’s able to bring into our lives, but there is a downside. Anonymous 18 year old self proclaimed geniuses.
(Now he has to answer this…)
(eye roll)[/quote]
I don’t, I wan’t phonebooths back, and people on the other end of the line and not some crappy voice recognition software that doesn’t work. If I truly want to know about something I still have to read a book, okay, I can order it through the internet, and pay my bills, but that’s it. And I want cars that I can fix myself without software, just by ear, in general I want back the stuff that was worth repairing.
Okay sorry, I’ll continue my grumbling somewhere else.[/quote]
I certainly prefer having a real person on the other end of the line but I certainly prefer an audio book to the book if the audio version exist for it.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]kaaleppi wrote:
If I can just die and thats it I’m okay with it. I don’t want to live forever. It was a horrifying thought as child and it still is.
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If.
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If is an insurance company in Finland, what’s your point? 
I’m hopefull my wish will be fulfilled. Jesus has never threatened me with anything, the only things he has maybe ever said to me is in faint whispers and none of that has anything to do with prolonged life, only people have done that.
[quote]kaaleppi wrote:
…I don’t want to live forever. It was a horrifying thought as child and it still is.[/quote]
Why?
I have heard some arguments that it would be boring but I think that reasoning does not follow for a few reason. If we were made to by God to take enjoyment in having communion and learning about him than it stands to follow that any other pursuit we humans do in a fallen state to fill the void left by not seeking God would ultimately in the end be unsatisfying. In seeking God that void is filled yet there is always more to learn about him.
[quote]JoabSonOfZeruiah wrote:
[quote]kaaleppi wrote:
…I don’t want to live forever. It was a horrifying thought as child and it still is.[/quote]
Why?
I have heard some arguments that it would be boring but I think that reasoning does not follow for a few reason. If we were made to by God to take enjoyment in having communion and learning about him than it stands to follow that any other pursuit we humans do in a fallen state to fill the void left by not seeking God would ultimately in the end be unsatisfying. In seeking God that void is filled yet there is always more to learn about him.[/quote]
Because my mind is not made for eternity and sleep is a bliss. I can’t say neither yes or no to you, my experiences are not enough. I had communion a month ago.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]kaaleppi wrote:
I’m hopefull my wish will be fulfilled. Jesus has never threatened me with anything, the only things he has maybe ever said to me is in faint whispers and none of that has anything to do with prolonged life, only people have done that.
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You’ll have to elaborate.
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Like I said, I have been threatened with hell only by humans. and I count the Bible in the same category, what humans have said. from all the conversations I have had with jesus, or with myself, I can’t really tell, I have never received threats of a prolonged torment.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]kaaleppi wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]kaaleppi wrote:
I’m hopefull my wish will be fulfilled. Jesus has never threatened me with anything, the only things he has maybe ever said to me is in faint whispers and none of that has anything to do with prolonged life, only people have done that.
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You’ll have to elaborate.
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Like I said, I have been threatened with hell only by humans. and I count the Bible in the same category, what humans have said. from all the conversations I have had with jesus, or with myself, I can’t really tell, I have never received threats of a prolonged torment.
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Sorry, what I meant was for you to do is to elaborate on your whispered discussion with Jesus.[/quote]
Oh, I like to talk to him and what I get in return is faint thoughts and feelings, very helpful oftentimes. Too faint to distinquish if it is me myself or someone else who is answering, but from my point of view it doesn’t really matter, either.
This is a good discussion that is going on but it’s really late and I have to go to bed so I can do what I have planned for tomorrow, even though I am ‘free’ at the moment. The early bird and so on, I’m not early, way too late.
[quote]kaaleppi wrote:
Jesus has never threatened me with anything, the only things he has maybe ever said to me is in faint whispers and none of that has anything to do with prolonged life, only people have done that.[/quote]
And just to be clear, Jesus isn’t your landscaper?
Edit: Oh right, Finland, not the US.
[quote]kaaleppi wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]kaaleppi wrote:
[quote]CRisCO wrote:
[quote]kaaleppi wrote:
Very perceptive of you. That’s how it has always been. No answers, not anything. I still talk to him occasionally though he never answers.[/quote]
Ever wonder if maybe he isn’t the problem?
Isa 55:8-9
8 For My thoughts are not your thoughts,
Nor are your ways My ways,declares the LORD.
9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth,
So are My ways higher than your ways
Kaal one thing I’ve learned about the lord is that he is a doer not a talker and he pretty clearly calls us a stupid and says hey stop trying to figure it out all the time.
Rest assured the lord hears you brother. He may not answer exactly the way you wish he would but he does in his own way.
I more then anything wish he would just put his hand on my shoulder and reveal the secrets of the universe to me but it’s not going to happen. That’s why when you surrender to him you understand that it most definately is HIS will be done.[/quote]
If you allow, I’ll be sarcastic just a little more. Gee, I have never thought about that.
Yes, I have thought about that, I have even thought that it is the way it must be for me, who knows. Anyway, I have never received anything that would make me cry out loud that I Belive.[/quote]
Don’t feel too bad, many are called but few are chosen. (Matthew 22:14)[/quote]
If I can just die and thats it I’m okay with it. I don’t want to live forever. It was a horrifying thought as child and it still is.[/quote]
Like I said don’t worry too much about it, it won’t help anyway.
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]TigerTime wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]TigerTime wrote:
Well, google tells me that these laws aren’t decreed obsolete in the bible and you’re cherry picking which verses to follow… but I doubt that’s what you wanted me to find 
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Google nor anyone else told you any such thing, DisingenuousTime. You know it. I know it. Your mom knows it.
The only cherry picker is Tony-the-pseudo-Bible-scholar-Tiger. Your posts and mine reflect that. You have no idea what you’re talking about it; you’re simply arguing because you’re on the internet. You’re throwing stuff up hoping it will stick. You’re certainly more capable talking about medieval Irish history but you’re hopelessly out of your league here.
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http://www.atheistperspective.net/p/bible-verses.html << Oh well, you can’t win em all…
Seriously though, you can find any expressed opinion on Google… It just wasn’t a smart move to try and call me out on something than could be shown to be true simply by using Google to find a site that suggests Christians cherry-pick.
I don’t know why you’re trying to make it out as though I came here to argue with you. YOU responded to ME. I’m not forcing you to respond to my comments and you’re free to not respond to me anytime.
This is a very simple game of logic; God has condemned wearing clothes with mixed fibers, eating shellfish, etc. You say these laws are obsolete so I ask you were in the bible these laws have been decreed as such. If this can’t be done (and I don’t think it can) then I guess these things are still banned as far as God’s concerned. [/quote]
Have you ever read the bible? Or are you criticizing something you’ve never read? I am guessing the latter…I had the feeling this was another set up. Another pseudo genius atheist who thinks he found reason in the unreasonable tenet of atheism.
I’ll give you the one main reason atheism is flawed at it’s very core. It posits that something can come from nothing and the things can happen for no reason what so ever. Now, what makes it even more ridiculous with all this belief and trust in science is that there is not a single solitary mircofragment of evidence to even remotely support such a ridiculous notion.
The difference between you and I is that believe in something that is actually possible and you believe in something that is verifiable impossible…Now that you let the cat out of the bag of your true intentions, let’s see how smart you are:
Prove something can come from nothing, as an atheist you MUST believe this to be true or you are not an atheist. It’s that simple…
I won’t be holding my breath.[/quote]
That’s great and all but… where exactly did I say I was an atheist again?
I won’t be holding my breath.