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[quote]TigerTime wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]TigerTime wrote:

Well, google tells me that these laws aren’t decreed obsolete in the bible and you’re cherry picking which verses to follow… but I doubt that’s what you wanted me to find :wink:

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Google nor anyone else told you any such thing, DisingenuousTime. You know it. I know it. Your mom knows it.

The only cherry picker is Tony-the-pseudo-Bible-scholar-Tiger. Your posts and mine reflect that. You have no idea what you’re talking about it; you’re simply arguing because you’re on the internet. You’re throwing stuff up hoping it will stick. You’re certainly more capable talking about medieval Irish history but you’re hopelessly out of your league here.
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http://www.atheistperspective.net/p/bible-verses.html << Oh well, you can’t win em all…

Seriously though, you can find any expressed opinion on Google… It just wasn’t a smart move to try and call me out on something than could be shown to be true simply by using Google to find a site that suggests Christians cherry-pick.

I don’t know why you’re trying to make it out as though I came here to argue with you. YOU responded to ME. I’m not forcing you to respond to my comments and you’re free to not respond to me anytime.

This is a very simple game of logic; God has condemned wearing clothes with mixed fibers, eating shellfish, etc. You say these laws are obsolete so I ask you were in the bible these laws have been decreed as such. If this can’t be done (and I don’t think it can) then I guess these things are still banned as far as God’s concerned. [/quote]

Have you ever read the bible? Or are you criticizing something you’ve never read? I am guessing the latter…I had the feeling this was another set up. Another pseudo genius atheist who thinks he found reason in the unreasonable tenet of atheism.
I’ll give you the one main reason atheism is flawed at it’s very core. It posits that something can come from nothing and the things can happen for no reason what so ever. Now, what makes it even more ridiculous with all this belief and trust in science is that there is not a single solitary mircofragment of evidence to even remotely support such a ridiculous notion.

The difference between you and I is that believe in something that is actually possible and you believe in something that is verifiable impossible…Now that you let the cat out of the bag of your true intentions, let’s see how smart you are:
Prove something can come from nothing, as an atheist you MUST believe this to be true or you are not an atheist. It’s that simple…

I won’t be holding my breath.

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[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]TigerTime wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]TigerTime wrote:

Well, google tells me that these laws aren’t decreed obsolete in the bible and you’re cherry picking which verses to follow… but I doubt that’s what you wanted me to find :wink:

[/quote]

Google nor anyone else told you any such thing, DisingenuousTime. You know it. I know it. Your mom knows it.

The only cherry picker is Tony-the-pseudo-Bible-scholar-Tiger. Your posts and mine reflect that. You have no idea what you’re talking about it; you’re simply arguing because you’re on the internet. You’re throwing stuff up hoping it will stick. You’re certainly more capable talking about medieval Irish history but you’re hopelessly out of your league here.
[/quote]

http://www.atheistperspective.net/p/bible-verses.html << Oh well, you can’t win em all…

Seriously though, you can find any expressed opinion on Google… It just wasn’t a smart move to try and call me out on something than could be shown to be true simply by using Google to find a site that suggests Christians cherry-pick.

I don’t know why you’re trying to make it out as though I came here to argue with you. YOU responded to ME. I’m not forcing you to respond to my comments and you’re free to not respond to me anytime.

This is a very simple game of logic; God has condemned wearing clothes with mixed fibers, eating shellfish, etc. You say these laws are obsolete so I ask you were in the bible these laws have been decreed as such. If this can’t be done (and I don’t think it can) then I guess these things are still banned as far as God’s concerned. [/quote]

Have you ever read the bible? Or are you criticizing something you’ve never read? I am guessing the latter…I had the feeling this was another set up. Another pseudo genius atheist who thinks he found reason in the unreasonable tenet of atheism.
I’ll give you the one main reason atheism is flawed at it’s very core. It posits that something can come from nothing and the things can happen for no reason what so ever. Now, what makes it even more ridiculous with all this belief and trust in science is that there is not a single solitary mircofragment of evidence to even remotely support such a ridiculous notion.

The difference between you and I is that believe in something that is actually possible and you believe in something that is verifiable impossible…Now that you let the cat out of the bag of your true intentions, let’s see how smart you are:
Prove something can come from nothing, as an atheist you MUST believe this to be true or you are not an atheist. It’s that simple…

I won’t be holding my breath.[/quote]

I believe Hawking proved relatively recently, along with other physicists, that something CAN come from nothing. However, even if it were not true, it does not support the case for Christianity.

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[quote]colt44 wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]TigerTime wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]TigerTime wrote:

Well, google tells me that these laws aren’t decreed obsolete in the bible and you’re cherry picking which verses to follow… but I doubt that’s what you wanted me to find :wink:

[/quote]

Google nor anyone else told you any such thing, DisingenuousTime. You know it. I know it. Your mom knows it.

The only cherry picker is Tony-the-pseudo-Bible-scholar-Tiger. Your posts and mine reflect that. You have no idea what you’re talking about it; you’re simply arguing because you’re on the internet. You’re throwing stuff up hoping it will stick. You’re certainly more capable talking about medieval Irish history but you’re hopelessly out of your league here.
[/quote]

http://www.atheistperspective.net/p/bible-verses.html << Oh well, you can’t win em all…

Seriously though, you can find any expressed opinion on Google… It just wasn’t a smart move to try and call me out on something than could be shown to be true simply by using Google to find a site that suggests Christians cherry-pick.

I don’t know why you’re trying to make it out as though I came here to argue with you. YOU responded to ME. I’m not forcing you to respond to my comments and you’re free to not respond to me anytime.

This is a very simple game of logic; God has condemned wearing clothes with mixed fibers, eating shellfish, etc. You say these laws are obsolete so I ask you were in the bible these laws have been decreed as such. If this can’t be done (and I don’t think it can) then I guess these things are still banned as far as God’s concerned. [/quote]

Have you ever read the bible? Or are you criticizing something you’ve never read? I am guessing the latter…I had the feeling this was another set up. Another pseudo genius atheist who thinks he found reason in the unreasonable tenet of atheism.
I’ll give you the one main reason atheism is flawed at it’s very core. It posits that something can come from nothing and the things can happen for no reason what so ever. Now, what makes it even more ridiculous with all this belief and trust in science is that there is not a single solitary mircofragment of evidence to even remotely support such a ridiculous notion.

The difference between you and I is that believe in something that is actually possible and you believe in something that is verifiable impossible…Now that you let the cat out of the bag of your true intentions, let’s see how smart you are:
Prove something can come from nothing, as an atheist you MUST believe this to be true or you are not an atheist. It’s that simple…

I won’t be holding my breath.[/quote]

I believe Hawking proved relatively recently, along with other physicists, that something CAN come from nothing. However, even if it were not true, it does not support the case for Christianity. [/quote]

Proved? No Hawking posited another theory based on M-Theory that the presence of gravity explains how the universe came to be. He failed to explain how gravity came to be, ooops. You have to realize that in science ‘nothing’ is a void or empty space; in philosophy however, voids, empty spaces, indeed gravity, quantum mechanics, M-Theory, String theory, etc. are all ‘somethings’ hence, not something from nothing. You should have looked at what Hawking was attempting to say before you posted. It’s not what you think.
He theorized a universe created from gravity, not absolute nothingness.

Sting theory and it’s variants have a long way to be ‘proven’. Not that they aren’t interesting, but they are far from facts. There are many gaps yet to be filled.
Also, a competing theory is starting to gain traction called ‘E8’, it’s far simpler than string theory, which is a plus, but it doesn’t state ‘something from nothing’ either.

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[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]TigerTime wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]TigerTime wrote:

Well, google tells me that these laws aren’t decreed obsolete in the bible and you’re cherry picking which verses to follow… but I doubt that’s what you wanted me to find :wink:

[/quote]

Google nor anyone else told you any such thing, DisingenuousTime. You know it. I know it. Your mom knows it.

The only cherry picker is Tony-the-pseudo-Bible-scholar-Tiger. Your posts and mine reflect that. You have no idea what you’re talking about it; you’re simply arguing because you’re on the internet. You’re throwing stuff up hoping it will stick. You’re certainly more capable talking about medieval Irish history but you’re hopelessly out of your league here.
[/quote]

http://www.atheistperspective.net/p/bible-verses.html << Oh well, you can’t win em all…

Seriously though, you can find any expressed opinion on Google… It just wasn’t a smart move to try and call me out on something than could be shown to be true simply by using Google to find a site that suggests Christians cherry-pick.

I don’t know why you’re trying to make it out as though I came here to argue with you. YOU responded to ME. I’m not forcing you to respond to my comments and you’re free to not respond to me anytime.

This is a very simple game of logic; God has condemned wearing clothes with mixed fibers, eating shellfish, etc. You say these laws are obsolete so I ask you were in the bible these laws have been decreed as such. If this can’t be done (and I don’t think it can) then I guess these things are still banned as far as God’s concerned. [/quote]

Have you ever read the bible? Or are you criticizing something you’ve never read? I am guessing the latter…I had the feeling this was another set up. Another pseudo genius atheist who thinks he found reason in the unreasonable tenet of atheism.
I’ll give you the one main reason atheism is flawed at it’s very core. It posits that something can come from nothing and the things can happen for no reason what so ever. Now, what makes it even more ridiculous with all this belief and trust in science is that there is not a single solitary mircofragment of evidence to even remotely support such a ridiculous notion.

The difference between you and I is that believe in something that is actually possible and you believe in something that is verifiable impossible…Now that you let the cat out of the bag of your true intentions, let’s see how smart you are:
Prove something can come from nothing, as an atheist you MUST believe this to be true or you are not an atheist. It’s that simple…

I won’t be holding my breath.[/quote]

You make some good points but how does that flaw not apply to theism. If you believe in a creator god where is the proof that something can exist eternally and without itself being created.

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[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]colt44 wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]TigerTime wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]TigerTime wrote:

Well, google tells me that these laws aren’t decreed obsolete in the bible and you’re cherry picking which verses to follow… but I doubt that’s what you wanted me to find :wink:

[/quote]

Google nor anyone else told you any such thing, DisingenuousTime. You know it. I know it. Your mom knows it.

The only cherry picker is Tony-the-pseudo-Bible-scholar-Tiger. Your posts and mine reflect that. You have no idea what you’re talking about it; you’re simply arguing because you’re on the internet. You’re throwing stuff up hoping it will stick. You’re certainly more capable talking about medieval Irish history but you’re hopelessly out of your league here.
[/quote]

http://www.atheistperspective.net/p/bible-verses.html << Oh well, you can’t win em all…

Seriously though, you can find any expressed opinion on Google… It just wasn’t a smart move to try and call me out on something than could be shown to be true simply by using Google to find a site that suggests Christians cherry-pick.

I don’t know why you’re trying to make it out as though I came here to argue with you. YOU responded to ME. I’m not forcing you to respond to my comments and you’re free to not respond to me anytime.

This is a very simple game of logic; God has condemned wearing clothes with mixed fibers, eating shellfish, etc. You say these laws are obsolete so I ask you were in the bible these laws have been decreed as such. If this can’t be done (and I don’t think it can) then I guess these things are still banned as far as God’s concerned. [/quote]

Have you ever read the bible? Or are you criticizing something you’ve never read? I am guessing the latter…I had the feeling this was another set up. Another pseudo genius atheist who thinks he found reason in the unreasonable tenet of atheism.
I’ll give you the one main reason atheism is flawed at it’s very core. It posits that something can come from nothing and the things can happen for no reason what so ever. Now, what makes it even more ridiculous with all this belief and trust in science is that there is not a single solitary mircofragment of evidence to even remotely support such a ridiculous notion.

The difference between you and I is that believe in something that is actually possible and you believe in something that is verifiable impossible…Now that you let the cat out of the bag of your true intentions, let’s see how smart you are:
Prove something can come from nothing, as an atheist you MUST believe this to be true or you are not an atheist. It’s that simple…

I won’t be holding my breath.[/quote]

I believe Hawking proved relatively recently, along with other physicists, that something CAN come from nothing. However, even if it were not true, it does not support the case for Christianity. [/quote]

Proved? No Hawking posited another theory based on M-Theory that the presence of gravity explains how the universe came to be. He failed to explain how gravity came to be, ooops. You have to realize that in science ‘nothing’ is a void or empty space; in philosophy however, voids, empty spaces, indeed gravity, quantum mechanics, M-Theory, String theory, etc. are all ‘somethings’ hence, not something from nothing. You should have looked at what Hawking was attempting to say before you posted. It’s not what you think.
He theorized a universe created from gravity, not absolute nothingness.

Sting theory and it’s variants have a long way to be ‘proven’. Not that they aren’t interesting, but they are far from facts. There are many gaps yet to be filled.
Also, a competing theory is starting to gain traction called ‘E8’, it’s far simpler than string theory, which is a plus, but it doesn’t state ‘something from nothing’ either.[/quote]

I apologize for my verbeage. You are correct, he did not prove anything, it is simply his theory. However, I tend to trust what Hawking has to say more than people on this board. Although, I think he is incredibly bright, I am not naive enough to think that others in his own profession disagree either. In all, his statement makes sense to me. While I do not know for sure if he is right, you do not know either.

Regradless, as I previously stated, none of this proves the validity of Christianity.

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As Pat knows, I disagree that atheism/agnosticism requires an ex nihilo assumption. I have no desire to renew the debate, but it’s absolutely possible that information and the laws governing that information have always existed, apart from the need for a supernatural deity.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]TigerTime wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]TigerTime wrote:

Well, google tells me that these laws aren’t decreed obsolete in the bible and you’re cherry picking which verses to follow… but I doubt that’s what you wanted me to find :wink:

[/quote]

Google nor anyone else told you any such thing, DisingenuousTime. You know it. I know it. Your mom knows it.

The only cherry picker is Tony-the-pseudo-Bible-scholar-Tiger. Your posts and mine reflect that. You have no idea what you’re talking about it; you’re simply arguing because you’re on the internet. You’re throwing stuff up hoping it will stick. You’re certainly more capable talking about medieval Irish history but you’re hopelessly out of your league here.
[/quote]

http://www.atheistperspective.net/p/bible-verses.html << Oh well, you can’t win em all…

Seriously though, you can find any expressed opinion on Google… It just wasn’t a smart move to try and call me out on something than could be shown to be true simply by using Google to find a site that suggests Christians cherry-pick.

I don’t know why you’re trying to make it out as though I came here to argue with you. YOU responded to ME. I’m not forcing you to respond to my comments and you’re free to not respond to me anytime.

This is a very simple game of logic; God has condemned wearing clothes with mixed fibers, eating shellfish, etc. You say these laws are obsolete so I ask you were in the bible these laws have been decreed as such. If this can’t be done (and I don’t think it can) then I guess these things are still banned as far as God’s concerned. [/quote]

LOL @ sending me to “atheistperspective.net”.

LOL at “simple game of logic.”

LOL at a guy who is so damned Bible illiterate that he must send someone to atheistperspective.net AND believes that civil/sanitation/hygiene/ritualistic symbolism rules given to ancient Hebrews and ONLY to ancient Hebrews apply to you and I today as non-Hebrews/non-Jews and count as “sins” in God’s eyes.

By the way, you ARE correct when you say (some) “Christians cherry pick”. That is another subject. It is NOT relevant to the discussion of shellfish eating and woven fiber apparel.[/quote]

Hey, you doubted that google told me you’re cherry picking. I was just proving you wrong.

You know, you keep saying that these rules no longer apply, but you’re doing everything you can to avoid the fact that these rules are never declared obsolete in the bible. You just made that up so you can feel good about ignoring the rules set down by your own God.

Also, I wasn’t aware that God’s rules only apply if they are given directly to you. I guess that means EVERYTHING in the bible is obsolete…

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Cortes wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]TigerTime wrote:

Heaven, to me, is simply accepting yourself in your entirety. Hell is when you go on splitting yourself, rejecting certain parts for other parts. The most miserable people I know are those who claim to be “religious” for this reason. The most joyous people I know don’t even judge themselves, they simply accept themselves as they are. How can God cast judgment on such a man? How can God allow such a man to be subjugated to eternal torture? I cannot believe in any such God.

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Type these words up and hang on to them. Maybe you can figure out a way to take them with you when you die. If you can’t then make sure you memorize them so you can preach this little sermon to your Creator, Savior and Judge some day when you stand before Him.
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Heh. It is so easy to tell which posters don’t have kids.

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Has kids? TigerTime IS is a kid! He’s an 18 year old Bible expert. Just when I thought it couldn’t get any worse around here with all the 21 year old college experts we’ve actually fallen a level to High School.

He’s still 3 years away from being able to have a legal beer. Just started driving two years ago. And now he knows everything there is to know about the Bible.

(shaking head) What’s next? Debating 8th grade students on the merits of capitalism?

I’ve had enough I’m outta here…
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Nothing you just wrote has any bearing on what one does or does not know about Christianity.

And fyi, the drinking age here is 18 :wink:

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[quote]Cortes wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]TigerTime wrote:

Heaven, to me, is simply accepting yourself in your entirety. Hell is when you go on splitting yourself, rejecting certain parts for other parts. The most miserable people I know are those who claim to be “religious” for this reason. The most joyous people I know don’t even judge themselves, they simply accept themselves as they are. How can God cast judgment on such a man? How can God allow such a man to be subjugated to eternal torture? I cannot believe in any such God.

[/quote]

Type these words up and hang on to them. Maybe you can figure out a way to take them with you when you die. If you can’t then make sure you memorize them so you can preach this little sermon to your Creator, Savior and Judge some day when you stand before Him.
[/quote]

Heh. It is so easy to tell which posters don’t have kids.

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Oh, I see. Having kids suddenly reverses the lack of evidence for your creator and magically will make me accept a God who would allow (relatively) arbitrary finite actions to result in eternal torture… Makes perfect sense.

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[quote]TigerTime wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Cortes wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]TigerTime wrote:

Heaven, to me, is simply accepting yourself in your entirety. Hell is when you go on splitting yourself, rejecting certain parts for other parts. The most miserable people I know are those who claim to be “religious” for this reason. The most joyous people I know don’t even judge themselves, they simply accept themselves as they are. How can God cast judgment on such a man? How can God allow such a man to be subjugated to eternal torture? I cannot believe in any such God.

[/quote]

Type these words up and hang on to them. Maybe you can figure out a way to take them with you when you die. If you can’t then make sure you memorize them so you can preach this little sermon to your Creator, Savior and Judge some day when you stand before Him.
[/quote]

Heh. It is so easy to tell which posters don’t have kids.

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Has kids? TigerTime IS is a kid! He’s an 18 year old Bible expert. Just when I thought it couldn’t get any worse around here with all the 21 year old college experts we’ve actually fallen a level to High School.

He’s still 3 years away from being able to have a legal beer. Just started driving two years ago. And now he knows everything there is to know about the Bible.

(shaking head) What’s next? Debating 8th grade students on the merits of capitalism?

I’ve had enough I’m outta here…
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Nothing you just wrote has any bearing on what one does or does not know about Christianity.

And fyi, the drinking age here is 18 ;)[/quote]

True, I simply wanted to point out to the others who may not be aware that you are just a punk kid. And much of what you say is a joke based on your lack of experience and knowledge of the topic.

Oh no, you now want to answer me don’t you? Yeah…you have to…dam

:frowning:

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[quote]forlife wrote:
As Pat knows, I disagree that atheism/agnosticism requires an ex nihilo assumption. I have no desire to renew the debate, but it’s absolutely possible that information and the laws governing that information have always existed, apart from the need for a supernatural deity.[/quote]

And I have stated many times perpetual existence is irrelevant still doesn’t explain sourcing and origin which time is not necessary.

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Before the Internet (not something TigerTime even remembers) 18 year kids actually had to know what they were talking about BEFORE entering into a face to face debate about such grand topics. So, keep in mind as we move along we all love the Internet and what it’s able to bring into our lives, but there is a downside. Anonymous 18 year old self proclaimed geniuses.

(Now he has to answer this…)

(eye roll)

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[quote]Think tank fish wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]TigerTime wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]TigerTime wrote:

Well, google tells me that these laws aren’t decreed obsolete in the bible and you’re cherry picking which verses to follow… but I doubt that’s what you wanted me to find :wink:

[/quote]

Google nor anyone else told you any such thing, DisingenuousTime. You know it. I know it. Your mom knows it.

The only cherry picker is Tony-the-pseudo-Bible-scholar-Tiger. Your posts and mine reflect that. You have no idea what you’re talking about it; you’re simply arguing because you’re on the internet. You’re throwing stuff up hoping it will stick. You’re certainly more capable talking about medieval Irish history but you’re hopelessly out of your league here.
[/quote]

http://www.atheistperspective.net/p/bible-verses.html << Oh well, you can’t win em all…

Seriously though, you can find any expressed opinion on Google… It just wasn’t a smart move to try and call me out on something than could be shown to be true simply by using Google to find a site that suggests Christians cherry-pick.

I don’t know why you’re trying to make it out as though I came here to argue with you. YOU responded to ME. I’m not forcing you to respond to my comments and you’re free to not respond to me anytime.

This is a very simple game of logic; God has condemned wearing clothes with mixed fibers, eating shellfish, etc. You say these laws are obsolete so I ask you were in the bible these laws have been decreed as such. If this can’t be done (and I don’t think it can) then I guess these things are still banned as far as God’s concerned. [/quote]

Have you ever read the bible? Or are you criticizing something you’ve never read? I am guessing the latter…I had the feeling this was another set up. Another pseudo genius atheist who thinks he found reason in the unreasonable tenet of atheism.
I’ll give you the one main reason atheism is flawed at it’s very core. It posits that something can come from nothing and the things can happen for no reason what so ever. Now, what makes it even more ridiculous with all this belief and trust in science is that there is not a single solitary mircofragment of evidence to even remotely support such a ridiculous notion.

The difference between you and I is that believe in something that is actually possible and you believe in something that is verifiable impossible…Now that you let the cat out of the bag of your true intentions, let’s see how smart you are:
Prove something can come from nothing, as an atheist you MUST believe this to be true or you are not an atheist. It’s that simple…

I won’t be holding my breath.[/quote]

You make some good points but how does that flaw not apply to theism. If you believe in a creator god where is the proof that something can exist eternally and without itself being created.
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That’s not a flaw. The answer is in the premises. For something to be the uncaused-cause, by definition it cannot be caused or it isn’t an uncaused-cause. A prime mover, Uncaused-cause, Necessary Being, etc. cannot be caused or it is not, what it is.

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[quote]colt44 wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]colt44 wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]TigerTime wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]TigerTime wrote:

Well, google tells me that these laws aren’t decreed obsolete in the bible and you’re cherry picking which verses to follow… but I doubt that’s what you wanted me to find :wink:

[/quote]

Google nor anyone else told you any such thing, DisingenuousTime. You know it. I know it. Your mom knows it.

The only cherry picker is Tony-the-pseudo-Bible-scholar-Tiger. Your posts and mine reflect that. You have no idea what you’re talking about it; you’re simply arguing because you’re on the internet. You’re throwing stuff up hoping it will stick. You’re certainly more capable talking about medieval Irish history but you’re hopelessly out of your league here.
[/quote]

http://www.atheistperspective.net/p/bible-verses.html << Oh well, you can’t win em all…

Seriously though, you can find any expressed opinion on Google… It just wasn’t a smart move to try and call me out on something than could be shown to be true simply by using Google to find a site that suggests Christians cherry-pick.

I don’t know why you’re trying to make it out as though I came here to argue with you. YOU responded to ME. I’m not forcing you to respond to my comments and you’re free to not respond to me anytime.

This is a very simple game of logic; God has condemned wearing clothes with mixed fibers, eating shellfish, etc. You say these laws are obsolete so I ask you were in the bible these laws have been decreed as such. If this can’t be done (and I don’t think it can) then I guess these things are still banned as far as God’s concerned. [/quote]

Have you ever read the bible? Or are you criticizing something you’ve never read? I am guessing the latter…I had the feeling this was another set up. Another pseudo genius atheist who thinks he found reason in the unreasonable tenet of atheism.
I’ll give you the one main reason atheism is flawed at it’s very core. It posits that something can come from nothing and the things can happen for no reason what so ever. Now, what makes it even more ridiculous with all this belief and trust in science is that there is not a single solitary mircofragment of evidence to even remotely support such a ridiculous notion.

The difference between you and I is that believe in something that is actually possible and you believe in something that is verifiable impossible…Now that you let the cat out of the bag of your true intentions, let’s see how smart you are:
Prove something can come from nothing, as an atheist you MUST believe this to be true or you are not an atheist. It’s that simple…

I won’t be holding my breath.[/quote]

I believe Hawking proved relatively recently, along with other physicists, that something CAN come from nothing. However, even if it were not true, it does not support the case for Christianity. [/quote]

Proved? No Hawking posited another theory based on M-Theory that the presence of gravity explains how the universe came to be. He failed to explain how gravity came to be, ooops. You have to realize that in science ‘nothing’ is a void or empty space; in philosophy however, voids, empty spaces, indeed gravity, quantum mechanics, M-Theory, String theory, etc. are all ‘somethings’ hence, not something from nothing. You should have looked at what Hawking was attempting to say before you posted. It’s not what you think.
He theorized a universe created from gravity, not absolute nothingness.

Sting theory and it’s variants have a long way to be ‘proven’. Not that they aren’t interesting, but they are far from facts. There are many gaps yet to be filled.
Also, a competing theory is starting to gain traction called ‘E8’, it’s far simpler than string theory, which is a plus, but it doesn’t state ‘something from nothing’ either.[/quote]

I apologize for my verbeage. You are correct, he did not prove anything, it is simply his theory. However, I tend to trust what Hawking has to say more than people on this board. Although, I think he is incredibly bright, I am not naive enough to think that others in his own profession disagree either. In all, his statement makes sense to me. While I do not know for sure if he is right, you do not know either.

Regradless, as I previously stated, none of this proves the validity of Christianity. [/quote]

Well if we were discussing theoretical physics or quantum mechanics, even most scientists couldn’t hold a candle to Hawking. Fortunately, we are only using what his conclusions and statements…

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[quote]TigerTime wrote:

You know, you keep saying that these rules no longer apply, but you’re doing everything you can to avoid the fact that these rules are never declared obsolete in the bible. You just made that up so you can feel good about ignoring the rules set down by your own God.

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Be honest, you’ve never read, let’s say, Acts, Romans, Corinthians, Galatians ( a good one), have you? In fact, this is dealt with, especially when it came to welcoming gentiles to the good news. Sorry man, he’s right. Honestly, you’re unawareness about this disqualifies you as participant in an informed and intelligent conversation about Christianity, believer or not.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:
Before the Internet (not something TigerTime even remembers) 18 year kids actually had to know what they were talking about BEFORE entering into a face to face debate about such grand topics. So, keep in mind as we move along we all love the Internet and what it’s able to bring into our lives, but there is a downside. Anonymous 18 year old self proclaimed geniuses.

(Now he has to answer this…)

(eye roll)[/quote]

Holy crap! He wasn’t even alive when the Berlin wall came down…

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[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:
Before the Internet (not something TigerTime even remembers) 18 year kids actually had to know what they were talking about BEFORE entering into a face to face debate about such grand topics. So, keep in mind as we move along we all love the Internet and what it’s able to bring into our lives, but there is a downside. Anonymous 18 year old self proclaimed geniuses.

(Now he has to answer this…)

(eye roll)[/quote]

Holy crap! He wasn’t even alive when the Berlin wall came down…[/quote]

Exactly! You’re arguing with a kid who was born in 1993! He’s never even voted in a national election. No really, you guys have to stop feeding this child. There are other’s who sing a similar tune who bring a lot more to the table.

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[quote]TigerTime wrote:

[quote]Cortes wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]TigerTime wrote:

Heaven, to me, is simply accepting yourself in your entirety. Hell is when you go on splitting yourself, rejecting certain parts for other parts. The most miserable people I know are those who claim to be “religious” for this reason. The most joyous people I know don’t even judge themselves, they simply accept themselves as they are. How can God cast judgment on such a man? How can God allow such a man to be subjugated to eternal torture? I cannot believe in any such God.

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Type these words up and hang on to them. Maybe you can figure out a way to take them with you when you die. If you can’t then make sure you memorize them so you can preach this little sermon to your Creator, Savior and Judge some day when you stand before Him.
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Heh. It is so easy to tell which posters don’t have kids.

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Oh, I see. Having kids suddenly reverses the lack of evidence for your creator and magically will make me accept a God who would allow (relatively) arbitrary finite actions to result in eternal torture… Makes perfect sense.[/quote]

LOL! You have stepped in to a hornets nest son. You have no idea what we know and don’t know…
You think that ‘nothing’ can make something, and you say we have lack of evidence? Come on smarty pants… Show me that evidence that this is possible. Let’s see if you can do it and remove time from the equation., because you have to, to be right. Like I said before, I won’t hold my breath because you will fail.

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God didn’t mess up creating Satan; it’s all part of His perfect plan. Here’s one way to look at it: God created Satan, who would eventually cause man to fall. in the ultimate demonstration of love and grace, God sent His Son, His only Son, Jesus for the redemption of mankind, defeating evil and death. the result? the ultimate true love story.

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[quote]TigerTime wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Cortes wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]TigerTime wrote:

Heaven, to me, is simply accepting yourself in your entirety. Hell is when you go on splitting yourself, rejecting certain parts for other parts. The most miserable people I know are those who claim to be “religious” for this reason. The most joyous people I know don’t even judge themselves, they simply accept themselves as they are. How can God cast judgment on such a man? How can God allow such a man to be subjugated to eternal torture? I cannot believe in any such God.

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Type these words up and hang on to them. Maybe you can figure out a way to take them with you when you die. If you can’t then make sure you memorize them so you can preach this little sermon to your Creator, Savior and Judge some day when you stand before Him.
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Heh. It is so easy to tell which posters don’t have kids.

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Has kids? TigerTime IS is a kid! He’s an 18 year old Bible expert. Just when I thought it couldn’t get any worse around here with all the 21 year old college experts we’ve actually fallen a level to High School.

He’s still 3 years away from being able to have a legal beer. Just started driving two years ago. And now he knows everything there is to know about the Bible.

(shaking head) What’s next? Debating 8th grade students on the merits of capitalism?

I’ve had enough I’m outta here…
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Nothing you just wrote has any bearing on what one does or does not know about Christianity.

And fyi, the drinking age here is 18 ;)[/quote]

Simple question, have you or have you not read the bible?
Do you even know what the bible actually is? Because atheists always want to make it a science, book or a history book or a math book…That’s like saying a cook book is flawed because it doesn’t tell you have to replace the cam rollers in your car.
Further, your comenting on a book you’ve never read…That’s always smart. ‘Hey I never read ‘Gone with the Wind’, but I know it sucks.’