So wait, I ask my question again. Anyone in here 5’6 200lbs+ at 10% BF thats natural? Otherwise everyone 5’6 falls short of expectations given in this thread.
[quote]Invictica wrote:
So wait, I ask my question again. Anyone in here 5’6 200lbs+ at 10% BF thats natural? Otherwise everyone 5’6 falls short of expectations given in this thread. [/quote]
Where did this come from?
Anyways, wannabebig. You said you’re doing 4 lifts a day only 2 days a week. I’d say thats your problem right there. I do 5 different exercises per MUSCLE GROUP, devoting an entire day to just 1 group, (the exception being I do bi’s/tri’s together). You really need to up your volume, frequency, and intensity.
If I had the same workout program as you I’d probably be in the same boat. I don’t know what kind of dumb fuck trainers you are working with but they obviously don’t have a clue.
[quote]Trogdor wrote:
Honestly this thread is pointless, and the advice given about as meaningless. Many of you assume that if someone can not bench 300+ or squat 400+ than they should just eat more and talk less; your logic here doesn’t make much, if any, sense. While the articles on this site are quite informative, personal experience as well as shared experiences of others have no substitute.
I’ve been training seriously for four years, and I cannot even touch a 300lb bench (but honestly I couldn’t give two shits about bench training), nor can I deadlift 400lbs (which is by far my favorite lift); the answer to these problems, however, is not “just fucking eat”; neither is my lack of dedication to blame. I train 4-8 times per week (depending on the current program) intensely, using only free weights and 90% compound lifts; this however, does not mean I train wisely. Why have I made such little progress? I honestly believe I just haven’t figured out how I best respond. Eating more has not worked for me and working harder is not an option. I am not complaining about my genetic potential, my lack of growth, lack of supplement funds, lack of anything…
I don’t give a shit about how long this takes, it’s now my lifestyle and I believe, with patience, I will eventually understand myself that much better. However, if I so choose to ask a question of those more experienced than I, I would appreciate a response with due thought and consideration. I respect all your efforts and successes, but you can take your condescending attitudes and shove them up your collective ass.[/quote]
I praise you.
This thread is 5 years old??? Awesome! lol
I read the first few pages…
I’m one of those former… ‘I’m a hardgainer’ types… cuz I read all about the characteristics etc… of that type… but you know what… it honestly does not mean shit… I went from 123lbs to 171 (today)… @ 5’11… So ya… I’m still not huge… and KNOW that I HAVE to eat more… and you know what… it’s fuckin’ hard… but you know what else… fuckin’ SUCK it UP! I don’t want to eat this many calories…
It sucks… I don’t want to POUND a fuckin’ shake when I’m done training legs… (with weak ass weight compared to you freaks… lol) I’m shaking… and still full from my LAST meal… it sucks… but I just SUCK it the FUCK UP… for REAL! I’m gettin’ the hang of it… I used all the excuses… I’ve tried jumping on the juice etc… etc… I’ve been as ‘heavy’ as 185 @ lean… but I couldn’t eat the required… actually hang on… I didn’t have the discipline to eat the required amount of food to keep that weight on… I would train foolishly… I made mistakes… I’ve done stupid things… but now I’ve learned…
…and am still learning…
I haven’t posted much on here… and to be honest… I’m too god damned busy ready all the articles… OVER and OVER again! (I LOVE Thibs shit… Really funny… and he has an AWESOME physique… He also lives 2 hours away… Berardi’s stuff is mental too… Ummm… Actually Defranco’s stuff is ALSO awesome… 
Actually it ALL is…) I’ve been in this game for a LONG ASS time on and off… and have FINALLY just started to figure it out…
I also was always interested in powerlifting/strongman stuff… but figured I’m not genetically suited for it… and you know what else… I’m probably not! lol… but that doesn’t matter to me… I’m gunna keep reading, and do my best… for ME… and what I can achieve…
Just eat up… train heavy, and be consistent… you’re better to get an ok workout in all the time, then a perfect one in here and there…
My 2 Cents… for what it’s worth…
And thanks a lot to you guys… Trolls, Skinny dudes, and huge vets included…
[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
Invictica wrote:
So wait, I ask my question again. Anyone in here 5’6 200lbs+ at 10% BF thats natural? Otherwise everyone 5’6 falls short of expectations given in this thread.
Where did this come from?
Anyways, wannabebig. You said you’re doing 4 lifts a day only 2 days a week. I’d say thats your problem right there. I do 5 different exercises per MUSCLE GROUP, devoting an entire day to just 1 group, (the exception being I do bi’s/tri’s together). You really need to up your volume, frequency, and intensity.
If I had the same workout program as you I’d probably be in the same boat. I don’t know what kind of dumb fuck trainers you are working with but they obviously don’t have a clue.[/quote]
After having no sucess with higher volume, I’ve been cutting it down, so that’s the reason why I was on this routin - you call my trainers “dumb fuckers” but isn’t it logical to cut the volume if I’m not getting anywhere with higher volume? How does that make them “dumb fuckers” exactly?
Initially I was gaining strength on this routine albeit lost strength, then I started going backwards pretty fast - I dropped 17lbs on deads from one week to the next two and I lost 8 reps on chins - I think that’s an indication that my body can’t cope with training to failure?? a lot of hardgainers have frail CNS apprantly, so if that is the case, the training to failure a lot is probably the wrong thing to do.
So I’m not sure what to do or try next - low volume, high intensity doesn’t seem to work, and neither does higher volume without training to failure.
You said I need to up my volume, frequency and intensity - well you can scrub “intensity” off that list, I know that It’ll not work, going from experience, high intensity just sends me backwards even on low volume.
- ironaddict says hardgainers shouldn’t train to failure, so I trained for a long time without training to failure and although I didn’t regress like I did when trained to failure, I didn’t progress either.
He also says that hardgainers usually can’t use a lot of volume - low volume without training to failure are his methods when it comes to training hardgainers, and he’s trained many hardgainers.
I then read articles stating that hardgainers should use low volume + high intensity on other websites… but that probably applies to people who arent genuine hardgainers… I dunno…
I was thinking about trying one of chad’s routines to see how I get on… any suggestions?
[quote]wannbeBIG wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
wannbeBIG wrote:
Rippemanewone wrote:
you think 112lbs is good genetics? dude i weighed less then most fuckin girls do when i was 17 lol… I dont see that as good genetics whatsoever…
“you think 112lbs is good genetics?”
whether you weighed 112lbs or 175lbs is irrelevant - the fact that you gained 70lbs in 2 years is what’s re;evant here. You gained 70lbs in 2 years of lifting weights and you think you have bad genetics?
what does everyone else think? does he have had genetics?
if you had weighed 112lbs and gained 5-10lbs in 2 years, I’d think the opposite of that.
I weigh almost the same as you when I was 20 years old, I was round about 112-119lbs.
I probably have a LBW of 110lbs and that’s after 10 years of training (and you think your genetics are bad? lol)
It is not uncommon to gain a lot of weight (a lot of it muscle) if you start out seriously underweight. You can gain a lot of moderate-rep strength fairly fast (if you have your head on straight and diet+routine are up for the task), especially as a younger guy of 18-28 (or so)…
That has little to do with “good genetics”, it’s a matter of getting those exercise poundages up for 5+ reps.
If you use some routine which hinders your strength gains or you don’t eat enough, especially protein, then you will not make that kind of progress.
A guy who starts out at 190 pounds at, say, 5’10 won’t manage to add as much muscle in his first years as a guy of the same height who started at 120 or what-have-you…
I don’t want to insult you, but after 10 years of training it doesn’t seem that you really did things right… Most of us originally skinny guys have terribly fast metabolisms, and guess what, they’ll get even faster once you start eating 6-8 times a day and consume 2 grams of protein per lb of bodyweight… But what can you do ?
Want to tell us some of your numbers (not 1rm, what you do for 6-10 now vs what you did when you started out… What does your routine and diet look like?) etc, maybe we’ll be able to help you out.
I know that initial gains are nearly always the best and they slow down after the first couple of years of training, but even still, 70lbs of what looks like LBW in 2 years indicates that his genetics are far from shit… just because he was 112lbs doesn’t mean he has shit genetics.
Everything within his genetic make-up is allowing him gain muscle at a decent rate therefore his genetics seem pretty good for this game and besides, my argument with him is that just because he weighed 112lbs doesn’t mean he’s got shit genetics.
Now about me for a moment - Don’t worry about insulting me, to the people who don’t know me, the people reading the posts by someone who’s spent years training with no success, if I wasn’t me and I was reading those posts I’d think WTF? he must be a real dumb f**ker, or a troll and I probably wouldn’t believe a word he said.
Thing is, I’ve worked with 2 bodybuilding nutrionists, 2 online trainers and a personal trainer who’s actually watched me train over the period of 4 months… so if I’m doing something wrong, then I don’t know what it is and neither do they.
My lifts look like this:
bench 55kg - 10 reps
dead 100kgs - 8 reps
squat 55kg - 20 reps
Those numbers arent far off what I started with, though with bench press it was more like 35kg-40kg, but out of all the lifts, that was the most difficult, but once I got used to the movement and the lift became steady I was able to add weight to the bar.
I was doing a two day a week routine with 4 lifts each day, taking 1 work set to failure and occassionally using drop sets, negatives but ended up going backwards (losing strength) after initially regaining some lost strength.
It just seems that I’m at the point where no matter what I do I’ll not be able to add weight to the bar until I’ve got some more mass behind me which will allow me to lift more… but I need to get stronger to add muscle…sigh
I’ve been pressing 55kg for god knows how long now and no matter what I do, I just can’t get past that point - I just get fat without getting stronger.
[/quote]
Well, I was trying to say that it doesn’t tell us much about his genetics… Yeah, they’re not shit, but probably just plain average and he did things right.
The initial gains are the fastest because you usually gain strength the fastest during your early years… Later on that all slows down drastically…
Your numbers not going up, hmm.
So in essence, while eating 2 grams of protein per lb of bodyweight and enough fat/carbs as well as sleeping enough you still bench 20Kg8, 30Kg8, 45Kg*8, 55Kg for 8 or howevermany you can get on monday, then the next monday cannot manage 57.5 or 60 Kg for 6-8 on your top-set?
Seriously?
If I were living in the same country as you I’d pay you a visit and monitor your training and eating for a week or two, but I guess we don’t have that option…
Ever got your bloodwork/t-levels done?
I was stuck on the same lifts as you (except for a little less in the bench) for months and months, wannbeBIG.
The solution for me was to take a week off, then start lifting at lower weights and making progress at every_damn_training. I also ate a shitload more than I had ever done. Even though I’m a little chubby (and always have been), I started eating lots more and saw mostly lean gains.
Some days I had to slow down my eating just a little to prevent myself from throwing up and wasting precious calories, but then it’s back to my fish & beef and start eating again.
Results? Deadlift up 85lbs in 1,5-2 months. Earlier I used 12 months to get 20lbs more in the deadlift. Squats and bench had nice progress too.
The last few weeks I’ve slowed down my eating to maintenance-level (because of a lot of exams I got to prepare for, which needs 100% of my focus). Guess what happened? Lifts not going up as fast any more. Gonna start eating big and lifting big again in the christmas, and DAMN I’m looking forward to it.
[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
wannbeBIG wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
wannbeBIG wrote:
Rippemanewone wrote:
you think 112lbs is good genetics? dude i weighed less then most fuckin girls do when i was 17 lol… I dont see that as good genetics whatsoever…
“you think 112lbs is good genetics?”
whether you weighed 112lbs or 175lbs is irrelevant - the fact that you gained 70lbs in 2 years is what’s re;evant here. You gained 70lbs in 2 years of lifting weights and you think you have bad genetics?
what does everyone else think? does he have had genetics?
if you had weighed 112lbs and gained 5-10lbs in 2 years, I’d think the opposite of that.
I weigh almost the same as you when I was 20 years old, I was round about 112-119lbs.
I probably have a LBW of 110lbs and that’s after 10 years of training (and you think your genetics are bad? lol)
It is not uncommon to gain a lot of weight (a lot of it muscle) if you start out seriously underweight. You can gain a lot of moderate-rep strength fairly fast (if you have your head on straight and diet+routine are up for the task), especially as a younger guy of 18-28 (or so)…
That has little to do with “good genetics”, it’s a matter of getting those exercise poundages up for 5+ reps.
If you use some routine which hinders your strength gains or you don’t eat enough, especially protein, then you will not make that kind of progress.
A guy who starts out at 190 pounds at, say, 5’10 won’t manage to add as much muscle in his first years as a guy of the same height who started at 120 or what-have-you…
I don’t want to insult you, but after 10 years of training it doesn’t seem that you really did things right… Most of us originally skinny guys have terribly fast metabolisms, and guess what, they’ll get even faster once you start eating 6-8 times a day and consume 2 grams of protein per lb of bodyweight… But what can you do ?
Want to tell us some of your numbers (not 1rm, what you do for 6-10 now vs what you did when you started out… What does your routine and diet look like?) etc, maybe we’ll be able to help you out.
I know that initial gains are nearly always the best and they slow down after the first couple of years of training, but even still, 70lbs of what looks like LBW in 2 years indicates that his genetics are far from shit… just because he was 112lbs doesn’t mean he has shit genetics.
Everything within his genetic make-up is allowing him gain muscle at a decent rate therefore his genetics seem pretty good for this game and besides, my argument with him is that just because he weighed 112lbs doesn’t mean he’s got shit genetics.
Now about me for a moment - Don’t worry about insulting me, to the people who don’t know me, the people reading the posts by someone who’s spent years training with no success, if I wasn’t me and I was reading those posts I’d think WTF? he must be a real dumb f**ker, or a troll and I probably wouldn’t believe a word he said.
Thing is, I’ve worked with 2 bodybuilding nutrionists, 2 online trainers and a personal trainer who’s actually watched me train over the period of 4 months… so if I’m doing something wrong, then I don’t know what it is and neither do they.
My lifts look like this:
bench 55kg - 10 reps
dead 100kgs - 8 reps
squat 55kg - 20 reps
Those numbers arent far off what I started with, though with bench press it was more like 35kg-40kg, but out of all the lifts, that was the most difficult, but once I got used to the movement and the lift became steady I was able to add weight to the bar.
I was doing a two day a week routine with 4 lifts each day, taking 1 work set to failure and occassionally using drop sets, negatives but ended up going backwards (losing strength) after initially regaining some lost strength.
It just seems that I’m at the point where no matter what I do I’ll not be able to add weight to the bar until I’ve got some more mass behind me which will allow me to lift more… but I need to get stronger to add muscle…sigh
I’ve been pressing 55kg for god knows how long now and no matter what I do, I just can’t get past that point - I just get fat without getting stronger.
Well, I was trying to say that it doesn’t tell us much about his genetics… Yeah, they’re not shit, but probably just plain average and he did things right.
The initial gains are the fastest because you usually gain strength the fastest during your early years… Later on that all slows down drastically…
Your numbers not going up, hmm.
So in essence, while eating 2 grams of protein per lb of bodyweight and enough fat/carbs as well as sleeping enough you still bench 20Kg8, 30Kg8, 45Kg*8, 55Kg for 8 or howevermany you can get on monday, then the next monday cannot manage 57.5 or 60 Kg for 6-8 on your top-set?
Seriously?
If I were living in the same country as you I’d pay you a visit and monitor your training and eating for a week or two, but I guess we don’t have that option…
Ever got your bloodwork/t-levels done? [/quote]
I do not get why you are wasting your time with this. Have you read this thread all of the way through?
Some people you can save. Some you can’t. This one, you can’t.
Where is he from ? If your from England i know alot of people scattered all over the place who might be near you.
And Carnage regards to your patience and dilegence
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Some people you can save. Some you can’t. This one, you can’t. [/quote]
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
wannbeBIG wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
wannbeBIG wrote:
Rippemanewone wrote:
you think 112lbs is good genetics? dude i weighed less then most fuckin girls do when i was 17 lol… I dont see that as good genetics whatsoever…
“you think 112lbs is good genetics?”
whether you weighed 112lbs or 175lbs is irrelevant - the fact that you gained 70lbs in 2 years is what’s re;evant here. You gained 70lbs in 2 years of lifting weights and you think you have bad genetics?
what does everyone else think? does he have had genetics?
if you had weighed 112lbs and gained 5-10lbs in 2 years, I’d think the opposite of that.
I weigh almost the same as you when I was 20 years old, I was round about 112-119lbs.
I probably have a LBW of 110lbs and that’s after 10 years of training (and you think your genetics are bad? lol)
It is not uncommon to gain a lot of weight (a lot of it muscle) if you start out seriously underweight. You can gain a lot of moderate-rep strength fairly fast (if you have your head on straight and diet+routine are up for the task), especially as a younger guy of 18-28 (or so)…
That has little to do with “good genetics”, it’s a matter of getting those exercise poundages up for 5+ reps.
If you use some routine which hinders your strength gains or you don’t eat enough, especially protein, then you will not make that kind of progress.
A guy who starts out at 190 pounds at, say, 5’10 won’t manage to add as much muscle in his first years as a guy of the same height who started at 120 or what-have-you…
I don’t want to insult you, but after 10 years of training it doesn’t seem that you really did things right… Most of us originally skinny guys have terribly fast metabolisms, and guess what, they’ll get even faster once you start eating 6-8 times a day and consume 2 grams of protein per lb of bodyweight… But what can you do ?
Want to tell us some of your numbers (not 1rm, what you do for 6-10 now vs what you did when you started out… What does your routine and diet look like?) etc, maybe we’ll be able to help you out.
I know that initial gains are nearly always the best and they slow down after the first couple of years of training, but even still, 70lbs of what looks like LBW in 2 years indicates that his genetics are far from shit… just because he was 112lbs doesn’t mean he has shit genetics.
Everything within his genetic make-up is allowing him gain muscle at a decent rate therefore his genetics seem pretty good for this game and besides, my argument with him is that just because he weighed 112lbs doesn’t mean he’s got shit genetics.
Now about me for a moment - Don’t worry about insulting me, to the people who don’t know me, the people reading the posts by someone who’s spent years training with no success, if I wasn’t me and I was reading those posts I’d think WTF? he must be a real dumb f**ker, or a troll and I probably wouldn’t believe a word he said.
Thing is, I’ve worked with 2 bodybuilding nutrionists, 2 online trainers and a personal trainer who’s actually watched me train over the period of 4 months… so if I’m doing something wrong, then I don’t know what it is and neither do they.
My lifts look like this:
bench 55kg - 10 reps
dead 100kgs - 8 reps
squat 55kg - 20 reps
Those numbers arent far off what I started with, though with bench press it was more like 35kg-40kg, but out of all the lifts, that was the most difficult, but once I got used to the movement and the lift became steady I was able to add weight to the bar.
I was doing a two day a week routine with 4 lifts each day, taking 1 work set to failure and occassionally using drop sets, negatives but ended up going backwards (losing strength) after initially regaining some lost strength.
It just seems that I’m at the point where no matter what I do I’ll not be able to add weight to the bar until I’ve got some more mass behind me which will allow me to lift more… but I need to get stronger to add muscle…sigh
I’ve been pressing 55kg for god knows how long now and no matter what I do, I just can’t get past that point - I just get fat without getting stronger.
Well, I was trying to say that it doesn’t tell us much about his genetics… Yeah, they’re not shit, but probably just plain average and he did things right.
The initial gains are the fastest because you usually gain strength the fastest during your early years… Later on that all slows down drastically…
Your numbers not going up, hmm.
So in essence, while eating 2 grams of protein per lb of bodyweight and enough fat/carbs as well as sleeping enough you still bench 20Kg8, 30Kg8, 45Kg*8, 55Kg for 8 or howevermany you can get on monday, then the next monday cannot manage 57.5 or 60 Kg for 6-8 on your top-set?
Seriously?
If I were living in the same country as you I’d pay you a visit and monitor your training and eating for a week or two, but I guess we don’t have that option…
Ever got your bloodwork/t-levels done?
I do not get why you are wasting your time with this. Have you read this thread all of the way through?
Some people you can save. Some you can’t. This one, you can’t. [/quote]
He at least has not tried to hurl insults at me like a lot of others in a similar position usually do, so I figure I can at least try and help him out. Of course it’s all dodgy business if one is not actually able to train with him in person.
@300andabove: Would be pretty cool if you knew someone in the area…
Edit: And yeah, I must be sick since I’m fairly nice today. Not one e-argument yet. Though there is a certain other thread which just got started in the bb-forum which might lend itself for that ;D
[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
wannbeBIG wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
wannbeBIG wrote:
Rippemanewone wrote:
you think 112lbs is good genetics? dude i weighed less then most fuckin girls do when i was 17 lol… I dont see that as good genetics whatsoever…
“you think 112lbs is good genetics?”
whether you weighed 112lbs or 175lbs is irrelevant - the fact that you gained 70lbs in 2 years is what’s re;evant here. You gained 70lbs in 2 years of lifting weights and you think you have bad genetics?
what does everyone else think? does he have had genetics?
if you had weighed 112lbs and gained 5-10lbs in 2 years, I’d think the opposite of that.
I weigh almost the same as you when I was 20 years old, I was round about 112-119lbs.
I probably have a LBW of 110lbs and that’s after 10 years of training (and you think your genetics are bad? lol)
It is not uncommon to gain a lot of weight (a lot of it muscle) if you start out seriously underweight. You can gain a lot of moderate-rep strength fairly fast (if you have your head on straight and diet+routine are up for the task), especially as a younger guy of 18-28 (or so)…
That has little to do with “good genetics”, it’s a matter of getting those exercise poundages up for 5+ reps.
If you use some routine which hinders your strength gains or you don’t eat enough, especially protein, then you will not make that kind of progress.
A guy who starts out at 190 pounds at, say, 5’10 won’t manage to add as much muscle in his first years as a guy of the same height who started at 120 or what-have-you…
I don’t want to insult you, but after 10 years of training it doesn’t seem that you really did things right… Most of us originally skinny guys have terribly fast metabolisms, and guess what, they’ll get even faster once you start eating 6-8 times a day and consume 2 grams of protein per lb of bodyweight… But what can you do ?
Want to tell us some of your numbers (not 1rm, what you do for 6-10 now vs what you did when you started out… What does your routine and diet look like?) etc, maybe we’ll be able to help you out.
I know that initial gains are nearly always the best and they slow down after the first couple of years of training, but even still, 70lbs of what looks like LBW in 2 years indicates that his genetics are far from shit… just because he was 112lbs doesn’t mean he has shit genetics.
Everything within his genetic make-up is allowing him gain muscle at a decent rate therefore his genetics seem pretty good for this game and besides, my argument with him is that just because he weighed 112lbs doesn’t mean he’s got shit genetics.
Now about me for a moment - Don’t worry about insulting me, to the people who don’t know me, the people reading the posts by someone who’s spent years training with no success, if I wasn’t me and I was reading those posts I’d think WTF? he must be a real dumb f**ker, or a troll and I probably wouldn’t believe a word he said.
Thing is, I’ve worked with 2 bodybuilding nutrionists, 2 online trainers and a personal trainer who’s actually watched me train over the period of 4 months… so if I’m doing something wrong, then I don’t know what it is and neither do they.
My lifts look like this:
bench 55kg - 10 reps
dead 100kgs - 8 reps
squat 55kg - 20 reps
Those numbers arent far off what I started with, though with bench press it was more like 35kg-40kg, but out of all the lifts, that was the most difficult, but once I got used to the movement and the lift became steady I was able to add weight to the bar.
I was doing a two day a week routine with 4 lifts each day, taking 1 work set to failure and occassionally using drop sets, negatives but ended up going backwards (losing strength) after initially regaining some lost strength.
It just seems that I’m at the point where no matter what I do I’ll not be able to add weight to the bar until I’ve got some more mass behind me which will allow me to lift more… but I need to get stronger to add muscle…sigh
I’ve been pressing 55kg for god knows how long now and no matter what I do, I just can’t get past that point - I just get fat without getting stronger.
Well, I was trying to say that it doesn’t tell us much about his genetics… Yeah, they’re not shit, but probably just plain average and he did things right.
The initial gains are the fastest because you usually gain strength the fastest during your early years… Later on that all slows down drastically…
Your numbers not going up, hmm.
So in essence, while eating 2 grams of protein per lb of bodyweight and enough fat/carbs as well as sleeping enough you still bench 20Kg8, 30Kg8, 45Kg*8, 55Kg for 8 or howevermany you can get on monday, then the next monday cannot manage 57.5 or 60 Kg for 6-8 on your top-set?
Seriously?
If I were living in the same country as you I’d pay you a visit and monitor your training and eating for a week or two, but I guess we don’t have that option…
Ever got your bloodwork/t-levels done? [/quote]
No, I mean when I first started training I was benching 35-40kg, I’m now pressing 55kg for ten reps…I’ve been trying different rep ranges for god knows how long to see if I can get past the 55kg for ten or 62.5kg for 5 but it just isn’t happening.
I thought I’d maybe see some better results if I had a trainer actually work with me and watch me while I train, but nothing appears to be changing for the better.
just about diet - for a very long time I’ve always had 2 grams of protein per lb of bodyweight and been as high as 350 grams of protein per day.
I’ve had blood work done twice and had DHEA levels checked, thyroid, cortisol and SHBG… but that was 2 years or so ago now, everything appeared fine then, so I’m assuming everything is fine now… but like I said earlier - maybe my CNS just can’t handle weight training? do you (or anyone else) think that might be the case? What about myostatin? could it be possible that I have abnormally high levels of this preventing me from gaining anything at all?
Cheers for replying.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
wannbeBIG wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
wannbeBIG wrote:
Rippemanewone wrote:
you think 112lbs is good genetics? dude i weighed less then most fuckin girls do when i was 17 lol… I dont see that as good genetics whatsoever…
“you think 112lbs is good genetics?”
whether you weighed 112lbs or 175lbs is irrelevant - the fact that you gained 70lbs in 2 years is what’s re;evant here. You gained 70lbs in 2 years of lifting weights and you think you have bad genetics?
what does everyone else think? does he have had genetics?
if you had weighed 112lbs and gained 5-10lbs in 2 years, I’d think the opposite of that.
I weigh almost the same as you when I was 20 years old, I was round about 112-119lbs.
I probably have a LBW of 110lbs and that’s after 10 years of training (and you think your genetics are bad? lol)
It is not uncommon to gain a lot of weight (a lot of it muscle) if you start out seriously underweight. You can gain a lot of moderate-rep strength fairly fast (if you have your head on straight and diet+routine are up for the task), especially as a younger guy of 18-28 (or so)…
That has little to do with “good genetics”, it’s a matter of getting those exercise poundages up for 5+ reps.
If you use some routine which hinders your strength gains or you don’t eat enough, especially protein, then you will not make that kind of progress.
A guy who starts out at 190 pounds at, say, 5’10 won’t manage to add as much muscle in his first years as a guy of the same height who started at 120 or what-have-you…
I don’t want to insult you, but after 10 years of training it doesn’t seem that you really did things right… Most of us originally skinny guys have terribly fast metabolisms, and guess what, they’ll get even faster once you start eating 6-8 times a day and consume 2 grams of protein per lb of bodyweight… But what can you do ?
Want to tell us some of your numbers (not 1rm, what you do for 6-10 now vs what you did when you started out… What does your routine and diet look like?) etc, maybe we’ll be able to help you out.
I know that initial gains are nearly always the best and they slow down after the first couple of years of training, but even still, 70lbs of what looks like LBW in 2 years indicates that his genetics are far from shit… just because he was 112lbs doesn’t mean he has shit genetics.
Everything within his genetic make-up is allowing him gain muscle at a decent rate therefore his genetics seem pretty good for this game and besides, my argument with him is that just because he weighed 112lbs doesn’t mean he’s got shit genetics.
Now about me for a moment - Don’t worry about insulting me, to the people who don’t know me, the people reading the posts by someone who’s spent years training with no success, if I wasn’t me and I was reading those posts I’d think WTF? he must be a real dumb f**ker, or a troll and I probably wouldn’t believe a word he said.
Thing is, I’ve worked with 2 bodybuilding nutrionists, 2 online trainers and a personal trainer who’s actually watched me train over the period of 4 months… so if I’m doing something wrong, then I don’t know what it is and neither do they.
My lifts look like this:
bench 55kg - 10 reps
dead 100kgs - 8 reps
squat 55kg - 20 reps
Those numbers arent far off what I started with, though with bench press it was more like 35kg-40kg, but out of all the lifts, that was the most difficult, but once I got used to the movement and the lift became steady I was able to add weight to the bar.
I was doing a two day a week routine with 4 lifts each day, taking 1 work set to failure and occassionally using drop sets, negatives but ended up going backwards (losing strength) after initially regaining some lost strength.
It just seems that I’m at the point where no matter what I do I’ll not be able to add weight to the bar until I’ve got some more mass behind me which will allow me to lift more… but I need to get stronger to add muscle…sigh
I’ve been pressing 55kg for god knows how long now and no matter what I do, I just can’t get past that point - I just get fat without getting stronger.
Well, I was trying to say that it doesn’t tell us much about his genetics… Yeah, they’re not shit, but probably just plain average and he did things right.
The initial gains are the fastest because you usually gain strength the fastest during your early years… Later on that all slows down drastically…
Your numbers not going up, hmm.
So in essence, while eating 2 grams of protein per lb of bodyweight and enough fat/carbs as well as sleeping enough you still bench 20Kg8, 30Kg8, 45Kg*8, 55Kg for 8 or howevermany you can get on monday, then the next monday cannot manage 57.5 or 60 Kg for 6-8 on your top-set?
Seriously?
If I were living in the same country as you I’d pay you a visit and monitor your training and eating for a week or two, but I guess we don’t have that option…
Ever got your bloodwork/t-levels done?
I do not get why you are wasting your time with this. Have you read this thread all of the way through?
Some people you can save. Some you can’t. This one, you can’t. [/quote]
I’d like to know why though - why can’t I gain?
It really does seem like I can’t be saved!
[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
wannbeBIG wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
wannbeBIG wrote:
Rippemanewone wrote:
you think 112lbs is good genetics? dude i weighed less then most fuckin girls do when i was 17 lol… I dont see that as good genetics whatsoever…
“you think 112lbs is good genetics?”
whether you weighed 112lbs or 175lbs is irrelevant - the fact that you gained 70lbs in 2 years is what’s re;evant here. You gained 70lbs in 2 years of lifting weights and you think you have bad genetics?
what does everyone else think? does he have had genetics?
if you had weighed 112lbs and gained 5-10lbs in 2 years, I’d think the opposite of that.
I weigh almost the same as you when I was 20 years old, I was round about 112-119lbs.
I probably have a LBW of 110lbs and that’s after 10 years of training (and you think your genetics are bad? lol)
It is not uncommon to gain a lot of weight (a lot of it muscle) if you start out seriously underweight. You can gain a lot of moderate-rep strength fairly fast (if you have your head on straight and diet+routine are up for the task), especially as a younger guy of 18-28 (or so)…
That has little to do with “good genetics”, it’s a matter of getting those exercise poundages up for 5+ reps.
If you use some routine which hinders your strength gains or you don’t eat enough, especially protein, then you will not make that kind of progress.
A guy who starts out at 190 pounds at, say, 5’10 won’t manage to add as much muscle in his first years as a guy of the same height who started at 120 or what-have-you…
I don’t want to insult you, but after 10 years of training it doesn’t seem that you really did things right… Most of us originally skinny guys have terribly fast metabolisms, and guess what, they’ll get even faster once you start eating 6-8 times a day and consume 2 grams of protein per lb of bodyweight… But what can you do ?
Want to tell us some of your numbers (not 1rm, what you do for 6-10 now vs what you did when you started out… What does your routine and diet look like?) etc, maybe we’ll be able to help you out.
I know that initial gains are nearly always the best and they slow down after the first couple of years of training, but even still, 70lbs of what looks like LBW in 2 years indicates that his genetics are far from shit… just because he was 112lbs doesn’t mean he has shit genetics.
Everything within his genetic make-up is allowing him gain muscle at a decent rate therefore his genetics seem pretty good for this game and besides, my argument with him is that just because he weighed 112lbs doesn’t mean he’s got shit genetics.
Now about me for a moment - Don’t worry about insulting me, to the people who don’t know me, the people reading the posts by someone who’s spent years training with no success, if I wasn’t me and I was reading those posts I’d think WTF? he must be a real dumb f**ker, or a troll and I probably wouldn’t believe a word he said.
Thing is, I’ve worked with 2 bodybuilding nutrionists, 2 online trainers and a personal trainer who’s actually watched me train over the period of 4 months… so if I’m doing something wrong, then I don’t know what it is and neither do they.
My lifts look like this:
bench 55kg - 10 reps
dead 100kgs - 8 reps
squat 55kg - 20 reps
Those numbers arent far off what I started with, though with bench press it was more like 35kg-40kg, but out of all the lifts, that was the most difficult, but once I got used to the movement and the lift became steady I was able to add weight to the bar.
I was doing a two day a week routine with 4 lifts each day, taking 1 work set to failure and occassionally using drop sets, negatives but ended up going backwards (losing strength) after initially regaining some lost strength.
It just seems that I’m at the point where no matter what I do I’ll not be able to add weight to the bar until I’ve got some more mass behind me which will allow me to lift more… but I need to get stronger to add muscle…sigh
I’ve been pressing 55kg for god knows how long now and no matter what I do, I just can’t get past that point - I just get fat without getting stronger.
Well, I was trying to say that it doesn’t tell us much about his genetics… Yeah, they’re not shit, but probably just plain average and he did things right.
The initial gains are the fastest because you usually gain strength the fastest during your early years… Later on that all slows down drastically…
Your numbers not going up, hmm.
So in essence, while eating 2 grams of protein per lb of bodyweight and enough fat/carbs as well as sleeping enough you still bench 20Kg8, 30Kg8, 45Kg*8, 55Kg for 8 or howevermany you can get on monday, then the next monday cannot manage 57.5 or 60 Kg for 6-8 on your top-set?
Seriously?
If I were living in the same country as you I’d pay you a visit and monitor your training and eating for a week or two, but I guess we don’t have that option…
Ever got your bloodwork/t-levels done?
I do not get why you are wasting your time with this. Have you read this thread all of the way through?
Some people you can save. Some you can’t. This one, you can’t.
He at least has not tried to hurl insults at me like a lot of others in a similar position usually do, so I figure I can at least try and help him out. Of course it’s all dodgy business if one is not actually able to train with him in person.
@300andabove: Would be pretty cool if you knew someone in the area…
Edit: And yeah, I must be sick since I’m fairly nice today. Not one e-argument yet. Though there is a certain other thread which just got started in the bb-forum which might lend itself for that ;D[/quote]
I’ve noticed a lot of insults flying about on these boards and IMO there’s no need for it, and I appreciate you actualy taking time and trying to help…
I do like training, and don’t think I will give up, but occassionally, like today, I just feel fucking pissed off that I’m not any stronegr or bigger than I was years ago.
I’ve spent god knows how much on food, whey, gym membership, steroids, nutrionists, online trainers and personal trainers for what what seems like nothing… I have trained hard and do eat well - and I wish people would stop telling me to eat more and train hard. Do people really think I’d pay for a nutrionsits and trainers and not follow their advice?
Sorry for ranting… just one of those days.
[quote]wannbeBIG wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
wannbeBIG wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
wannbeBIG wrote:
Rippemanewone wrote:
you think 112lbs is good genetics? dude i weighed less then most fuckin girls do when i was 17 lol… I dont see that as good genetics whatsoever…
“you think 112lbs is good genetics?”
whether you weighed 112lbs or 175lbs is irrelevant - the fact that you gained 70lbs in 2 years is what’s re;evant here. You gained 70lbs in 2 years of lifting weights and you think you have bad genetics?
what does everyone else think? does he have had genetics?
if you had weighed 112lbs and gained 5-10lbs in 2 years, I’d think the opposite of that.
I weigh almost the same as you when I was 20 years old, I was round about 112-119lbs.
I probably have a LBW of 110lbs and that’s after 10 years of training (and you think your genetics are bad? lol)
It is not uncommon to gain a lot of weight (a lot of it muscle) if you start out seriously underweight. You can gain a lot of moderate-rep strength fairly fast (if you have your head on straight and diet+routine are up for the task), especially as a younger guy of 18-28 (or so)…
That has little to do with “good genetics”, it’s a matter of getting those exercise poundages up for 5+ reps.
If you use some routine which hinders your strength gains or you don’t eat enough, especially protein, then you will not make that kind of progress.
A guy who starts out at 190 pounds at, say, 5’10 won’t manage to add as much muscle in his first years as a guy of the same height who started at 120 or what-have-you…
I don’t want to insult you, but after 10 years of training it doesn’t seem that you really did things right… Most of us originally skinny guys have terribly fast metabolisms, and guess what, they’ll get even faster once you start eating 6-8 times a day and consume 2 grams of protein per lb of bodyweight… But what can you do ?
Want to tell us some of your numbers (not 1rm, what you do for 6-10 now vs what you did when you started out… What does your routine and diet look like?) etc, maybe we’ll be able to help you out.
I know that initial gains are nearly always the best and they slow down after the first couple of years of training, but even still, 70lbs of what looks like LBW in 2 years indicates that his genetics are far from shit… just because he was 112lbs doesn’t mean he has shit genetics.
Everything within his genetic make-up is allowing him gain muscle at a decent rate therefore his genetics seem pretty good for this game and besides, my argument with him is that just because he weighed 112lbs doesn’t mean he’s got shit genetics.
Now about me for a moment - Don’t worry about insulting me, to the people who don’t know me, the people reading the posts by someone who’s spent years training with no success, if I wasn’t me and I was reading those posts I’d think WTF? he must be a real dumb f**ker, or a troll and I probably wouldn’t believe a word he said.
Thing is, I’ve worked with 2 bodybuilding nutrionists, 2 online trainers and a personal trainer who’s actually watched me train over the period of 4 months… so if I’m doing something wrong, then I don’t know what it is and neither do they.
My lifts look like this:
bench 55kg - 10 reps
dead 100kgs - 8 reps
squat 55kg - 20 reps
Those numbers arent far off what I started with, though with bench press it was more like 35kg-40kg, but out of all the lifts, that was the most difficult, but once I got used to the movement and the lift became steady I was able to add weight to the bar.
I was doing a two day a week routine with 4 lifts each day, taking 1 work set to failure and occassionally using drop sets, negatives but ended up going backwards (losing strength) after initially regaining some lost strength.
It just seems that I’m at the point where no matter what I do I’ll not be able to add weight to the bar until I’ve got some more mass behind me which will allow me to lift more… but I need to get stronger to add muscle…sigh
I’ve been pressing 55kg for god knows how long now and no matter what I do, I just can’t get past that point - I just get fat without getting stronger.
Well, I was trying to say that it doesn’t tell us much about his genetics… Yeah, they’re not shit, but probably just plain average and he did things right.
The initial gains are the fastest because you usually gain strength the fastest during your early years… Later on that all slows down drastically…
Your numbers not going up, hmm.
So in essence, while eating 2 grams of protein per lb of bodyweight and enough fat/carbs as well as sleeping enough you still bench 20Kg8, 30Kg8, 45Kg*8, 55Kg for 8 or howevermany you can get on monday, then the next monday cannot manage 57.5 or 60 Kg for 6-8 on your top-set?
Seriously?
If I were living in the same country as you I’d pay you a visit and monitor your training and eating for a week or two, but I guess we don’t have that option…
Ever got your bloodwork/t-levels done?
I do not get why you are wasting your time with this. Have you read this thread all of the way through?
Some people you can save. Some you can’t. This one, you can’t.
He at least has not tried to hurl insults at me like a lot of others in a similar position usually do, so I figure I can at least try and help him out. Of course it’s all dodgy business if one is not actually able to train with him in person.
@300andabove: Would be pretty cool if you knew someone in the area…
Edit: And yeah, I must be sick since I’m fairly nice today. Not one e-argument yet. Though there is a certain other thread which just got started in the bb-forum which might lend itself for that ;D
I’ve noticed a lot of insults flying about on these boards and IMO there’s no need for it, and I appreciate you actualy taking time and trying to help…
I do like training, and don’t think I will give up, but occassionally, like today, I just feel fucking pissed off that I’m not any stronegr or bigger than I was years ago.
I’ve spent god knows how much on food, whey, gym membership, steroids, nutrionists, online trainers and personal trainers for what what seems like nothing… I have trained hard and do eat well - and I wish people would stop telling me to eat more and train hard. Do people really think I’d pay for a nutrionsits and trainers and not follow their advice?
Sorry for ranting… just one of those days.
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How about we start with you filming a few exercises… From the first warm-up to your top-set and upload them for us to see… Then time you do these movements again film them as well, put up 2.5 kg more on the bar on each and I want to see you actually fail to lift that for the same or 1-2 reps less.
Guess shooting a pic of each of your meals would help, too. Just so we actually see you do stuff… And we’ll go from there.
[quote]pinkponyz wrote:
I was stuck on the same lifts as you (except for a little less in the bench) for months and months, wannbeBIG.
The solution for me was to take a week off, then start lifting at lower weights and making progress at every_damn_training. I also ate a shitload more than I had ever done. Even though I’m a little chubby (and always have been), I started eating lots more and saw mostly lean gains.
Some days I had to slow down my eating just a little to prevent myself from throwing up and wasting precious calories, but then it’s back to my fish & beef and start eating again.
Results? Deadlift up 85lbs in 1,5-2 months. Earlier I used 12 months to get 20lbs more in the deadlift. Squats and bench had nice progress too.
The last few weeks I’ve slowed down my eating to maintenance-level (because of a lot of exams I got to prepare for, which needs 100% of my focus). Guess what happened? Lifts not going up as fast any more. Gonna start eating big and lifting big again in the christmas, and DAMN I’m looking forward to it.[/quote]
cheers for posting.
I took a week off about 6 weeks ago (when my lifts started to go backwards), well it was more like 9 days than a week… before that and before I started training with the trainer I’m using now, I used to take a week off on a regular basis. My lifts never regressed like they have done recently, but they never progressed either. Obviously I thought it was probably lack of food, so I ate more, put on weight, but just didnt get any stronger and the weight was just fat.
How about we start with you filming a few exercises… From the first warm-up to your top-set and upload them for us to see… Then time you do these movements again film them as well, put up 2.5 kg more on the bar on each and I want to see you actually fail to lift that for the same or 1-2 reps less.
Guess shooting a pic of each of your meals would help, too. Just so we actually see you do stuff… And we’ll go from there.
Not a bad idea that and I was also thinking about starting a journal on here, I can list the foods I eat daily, my weekly body weight and other monthly measurements, I’m sure people would understand more if they actually see what’s happening (or what’s not happening) with their own eyes (if people are interested?)
Not sure what kind of routine to do though - low volume and high inensity just sent me on a road back down the hill…
[quote]wannbeBIG wrote:
Not a bad idea that and I was also thinking about starting a journal on here, I can list the foods I eat daily, my weekly body weight and other monthly measurements, I’m sure people would understand more if they actually see what’s happening (or what’s not happening) with their own eyes (if people are interested?)
Not sure what kind of routine to do though - low volume and high inensity just sent me on a road back down the hill…
[/quote]
Ok, let’s do that. Oh yeah, did you actually get your t-levels and bloodwork done or not?
As for your routine: I’d say a standard BB 4way for now and we’ll go from there… I’ll suggest something once you have your journal up (post a link in here).
I’d like to see pics of your food first, though.
#Edit: I already edited this post but it didn’t get through for some reason…
#Edit2: There you go, X.
STOP QUOTING TEN POSTS AT A TIME!!!
[quote]Professor X wrote:
STOP QUOTING TEN POSTS AT A TIME!!![/quote]
Lol your avatar fits perfectly atm ;D