Why Bush Won

[quote]Professor X wrote:
You never had to write one of those “where will you be in 5 years” essays in school, did you?[/quote]

I’m not exactly sure what you mean by this, but that’s OK. That’s probably why I’m not a professor.

I will agree that there is cause for concern regarding supplements; this much is obvious. I am not, however, convinced that it is a “conservative” tendency to want to ban them, again based on the massive support of both sides. It is more a case of most people being willingly misinformed about supplements and what they do. Also, it is sad but true that the people who use such products constitute a statistically insignificant portion of the electorate (i.e. most Americans are lazy couch tubers), and therefore lack the critical mass necessary to influence congressional votes on such issues. I think this is an issue we T-men can, and should, all band together on.

BTW, the Canadian political establishment is well to the left of us, and I have read cases of PROTEIN POWDER being siezed by customs up there.

[quote]Nate Dogg wrote:
Crucify me.[/quote]

I wouldn’t waste the wood. There’s no point in debating you. You’ve made you mind up.

Besides, after reading your logic, I don’t care to take the time to educate you.

Take care ~ OUT.

[quote]bandgeek wrote:
Professor X wrote:
You never had to write one of those “where will you be in 5 years” essays in school, did you?

I’m not exactly sure what you mean by this, but that’s OK. That’s probably why I’m not a professor.

I will agree that there is cause for concern regarding supplements; this much is obvious. I am not, however, convinced that it is a “conservative” tendency to want to ban them, again based on the massive support of both sides. It is more a case of most people being willingly misinformed about supplements and what they do. Also, it is sad but true that the people who use such products constitute a statistically insignificant portion of the electorate (i.e. most Americans are lazy couch tubers), and therefore lack the critical mass necessary to influence congressional votes on such issues. I think this is an issue we T-men can, and should, all band together on.

BTW, the Canadian political establishment is well to the left of us, and I have read cases of PROTEIN POWDER being siezed by customs up there. [/quote]

I agree with you on that. However, as well as being a general public “laziness thang”, I do think the Republican majority may rush this into effect much faster than otherwise would have occured.

[quote]Vegita wrote:
Is this as graceful as you guys can be while losing? [/quote]

Graceful? That’s funny considering many of the posts I’ve seen from those who voted for Bush and are now “attacking” anyone who didn’t vote for him.

He won. He didn’t win by a huge amount considering it was a close race until the end.

Hopefully, Bush will do something to try and work together with everyone and unite our country rather than leaving it nearly evenly divided as it is. He has four years, so we’ll see what he manages to do during that time.

Bush couldn’t possibly be the Anti-Christ. The antichrist is supposed to be well liked all over the world, and a great speaker. I think by that alone we can pretty much rule GWB out. Plus he doesn’t have a head injury. Besides all that, you have to actually believe in that fairy tale. Granted, Bush, his administration, and his supporters all believe in the Rapture, so maybe they will attempt to make the fairytale come true!

[quote]Nate Dogg wrote:
Vegita wrote:
Is this as graceful as you guys can be while losing?

Graceful? That’s funny considering many of the posts I’ve seen from those who voted for Bush and are now “attacking” anyone who didn’t vote for him.

He won. He didn’t win by a huge amount considering it was a close race until the end.

Hopefully, Bush will do something to try and work together with everyone and unite our country rather than leaving it nearly evenly divided as it is. He has four years, so we’ll see what he manages to do during that time.[/quote]

Nate ~ I think you might be a little sensitive? This forum is a little hot. While some words may be strong, I don’t think there are a lot of personal attacks. However, you immediately came into this forum this week and started making claims like, “that’s why I don’t post in the political forums” (paraphrasing). In doing that, you’ve alienated yourself and put anyone opposing your views on the defensive. Guess what, we are a bunch of high T men in this forum that don’t pussy-foot around. If you stereotype a group of us, expect to get challenged. There are times that we don’t all extent mature courtesy, but that is because of some of the extremists that we deal with in this forum. Anyway, stop the labeling, and we might be able to unify this group of intelligent T-Men/Women.

Bush won because of Moral values… Kerry had none… Or thats how the republicans potrayed Kerry. And in the Midwest they are highly driven by moral values.

Nate Dogg, remember when you came back a while ago, you probably should have stayed away. Those are some of the most uninformed comments I have ever heard in my life, you put Michael Moore to shame with you weak grasp of political concepts. . I heard that at the Olympia, people were booing Arnold because he said he was helping GW on the campaign trail, the reason being that Bush had a major role in outlawing our supplements, mainly the andros and ephedrine. This couldn’t be further from the truth, once again, we have a system of checks and balances by which the people are able to influence the government through their local officials. Just like TC said in “Mad as Hell”, how many of you wrote both of your state Senators and all of the congressmen from your state with little regard if they represent your district or not, very few did this. I even spent the money to send a letter to every Senator in the nation, 100 letters I sent out to each of them asking for them to take a look at the facts as opposed to the hype. Lets not forget who started the whole firestorm, a bunch of spineless democrats: Evan Bayh, IN (D) and Joseph Biden, DE (D). Yeah the demos are really the party of freedom, look up the damn facts before you talk.

Sorry but I don’t really understand the problem with gay marriage. There are tons of straight people I think made the biggest mistake of their lives by getting married. I also see some of these people being destroyed by or destroying other people with a horrible marriage. I have alos seen some great marriages My prents for example. I mean what are we protecting ourselves from by not allowing Gays and Lebians to get married and toss the dice just like any straight couple. I don’t get the big problem here, or why do we have to actually outlaw people from expressing their love.
BiggieBen

A couple things.

First, the popular vote was not that close, historically speaking. Bush’s 51-48 popular vote margin, while far from a blowout, is larger than the 1976 Carter-Ford margin, or the 1968 Nixon-Humphrey margin - both widely considered punishing defeats - plus of course the famously close 1960 and 2000 margins.

Some of you guys should take the advice of Andrew Sullivan, a gay blogger who voted for Kerry:

“FOR NOW: But the most fundamental fact of this campaign - and one of the reasons it has been so bitter - is that we are at war. Our opponents at home are not our enemies. The real enemy is the Jihadist terror network that, even now, is murdering innocents and coalition soldiers in Iraq. Our job now - all of us - is to support this president in that war, to back those troops, and to pray for victory. We saw yesterday, in the cold-blooded murder of a Dutch film-maker for his open criticism of Islamist misogyny, that the enemy is still at large; and aiming directly at our freedoms and security. In Fallujah, our troops are poised for a vital battle against terrorists and theocrats intent on derailing a free future for Iraq. Democracy is on the line there and throughout the world. I’ve been more than a little frustrated by the president’s handling of this war in the past year; but we have to draw a line under that now. The past is the past. And George W. Bush is our president. He deserves a fresh start, a chance to prove himself again, and the constructive criticism of those of us who decided to back his opponent. He needs our prayers and our support for the enormous tasks still ahead of him. He has mine. Unequivocally.”

  • 1:12:58 AM

Because the majority are sheeple led by one or two issues that are important to their own little world. How ironic it will be when their 15 year old kids get drafted 3 years from now because we still won’t have an exit strategy.

He won, in my humble opinion, because Kerry failed to provide a majority of voters with an acceptable alternative. The numbers on the economy ain’t bad- good but not all that great, Iraq has gotten a ton of bad press- who knows how much is accurate, and on it goes like that. Bush was vulnerable, but Kerry couldn’t capitalize.

BTW, I find the whole religion/science thing fasinating. It comes down to a matter of faith, I think. While science has brought us many wonderful things of late, there is a whole universe yet to be explained and verified. It seems to me that one must have faith that the scientific as is defined is up to the task. That faith hasn’t been borne out by the Geonome Project, and one may well suspect that the whole stem cell thing will disappoint too. Or faith in it anyway.

And then there is the smoldering ashheap of ‘scientific’ socialism. Whatever measure of misery brought on by religious fananticism, the commies of yore topped them by matters of kind. See Great Famine, Great Leap Forward, Cultural Revolution, Pol Pot, Gulag, etc., etc., etc…

Scientific Socialism is gone, and the Catholic Church, pedophiles and all, is still around, and probably will be long after the last post of anybody clacking away here presently.

[quote]jackzepplin wrote:

Most religious conservatives are simply good natured people that have moral fiber.[/quote]

Said the Priest to the Alterboy

[quote]biggieben wrote:
Sorry but I don’t really understand the problem with gay marriage. There are tons of straight people I think made the biggest mistake of their lives by getting married. I also see some of these people being destroyed by or destroying other people with a horrible marriage. I have alos seen some great marriages My prents for example. I mean what are we protecting ourselves from by not allowing Gays and Lebians to get married and toss the dice just like any straight couple. I don’t get the big problem here, or why do we have to actually outlaw people from expressing their love.
BiggieBen[/quote]

Ben, that is what happens when you blur the lines between church and state. While there may not be a law passed by congress, with the majority of the country now “red”, you can expect much more. I personally don’t care about gay marriages because it doesn’t affect me at all. I will voice a much louder opinion the moment something closer to me gets taken away. I doubt I will have to wait long.

Some good stuff from blogger Michele Catalano:

http://asmallvictory.net/archives/007678.html

The Morning After

Buckle up. I’ve got a lot to say today.

As the whole world knows by now, it is pretty evident that George W. Bush will be the President of the United States for the next four years. Obviously, that makes me happy.

A lot of people are having some trouble with my happiness right now. That goes for you, too, if you voted for GWB. A flow of nastiness is seeping from through the floors of the country, pooling around the feet of the collective left.

But which left, you ask? Because sometimes, people will come after me for saying 'the left" as if that phrase represented everyone who sits, well, to the left of me and not just the wingers, even though they know full well I mean the Michael Moores, the DU citizens, the Oliver Willises and MoveOn members of the world.

Not so sure about that today. I woke up to a very different world in which people I assumed were rational Democrats are spitting poison nails. I received some nasty emails and comments (since deleted) that were alarming in their venom and hatred. People I never had a harsh word with were suddenly knocking down my virtual door to leaving the equivalent of letter bombs. This did not frighten me so much as make me sad. I can say with all honesty that, had Kerry won this election, I would have done no such thing. But, that’s just me.

I did read through some of the near lunatic fringe of the left today. Sad state of affairs, really. They seem to be so overcome by bitterness and anger that their emotions are getting in the way of rational thinking. How else do you explain the call to arms, the threats to join al Qaeda, the pleas for violent uprising, or the wishful thinking for a terrorist attack to happen now?

And here we go again with the “illegitimate” election fantasies. The whole basis of argument for the left in recent times has been “if I don’t agree with it, it must be a lie.” This has never been more evident than right now. Witness: This election is a fraud, a sham. The Republicans (sorry, Rethuglicans) cheated their way through another vote. The vote counts are all wrong. The machines were fixed. Someone was paid off. And, of course, the exit polls were rigged. Even if Bush were to win both the Electoral vote and the popular vote, his win would be decried as illegal. Perhaps that is what is driving the hate today; the fact that there is nothing to point to in order to support the cries of another fake presidency.

I do believe that even if every person in America who voted for George Bush marched themselves in front of a line of lefties outside of George Soros’s mansion this morning and pledged that they did, indeed, vote for GWB, they would claim that Karl Rove implanted mind control chips in each and every person.

Why is it so hard to imagine that not everyone thinks like you? Are these people so arrogant, so self-smug that they truly believe their way is the only way? Funny, that. They accuse Bush of that all the time and here they are engaging in it, with relish.

If you don’t mind, I’d like to address the throngs of Chicken Littles who seem to be out in full force on the net today. I just want to clear up a few things, as you all seem to be pretty misguided in more than one area today.

I voted for George Bush.
I am not a redneck.
I do not spend my days watching cars race around a track, drinking cheap beer and slapping my woman on the ass.
I am not a bible thumper. In fact, I am an atheist.
I am not a homophobe.
I am educated beyond the fifth grade. In fact, I am college educated.
I am not stupid. Not by any stretch of facts.
I do not bomb abortion clinics.

You will not be thrown in jail for the sole reason of being a liberal.
Your child’s public school will not suddenly turn into a center for Christian brainwashing.
Your favorite bookstore will not turn into puritan central.

This is not Nazi Germany in any way.
You will not be forced into concentration camps.
You will not be burned in human-sized ovens because of your religion.
We will not be forced to wear uniforms and march in line every day.
You will not live in fear.
If you think this is a country in which you have to live in fear, I have some friends in Iran who would like to have a little talk with you.

What does the (presumed) election of George Bush mean to you, as a member of the left? It means you and your party have four years to get yourselves together and figure out exactly what you stand for. It means you have a couple of years, max, to come up with a viable candidate who represents the majority of you and doesn’t pander to every knock off group of your party. It means you have time to get your act together and decide once and for all what you stand for and produce a leader who will stand up for your ideals. It means you better find a candidate who is someone you can vote for with conscience, and not just vote for out of hatred for his opponent.

What did you all believe in this year? Hate? Anger? You ran your own campaign, one filled to the brim with bile and acidic spittle and you wonder why you feel so black today? You were pinning your hopes on the the wish that the rest of America harbored the same intense hatred as you and would vote with their clenched fists. Now that you are left without the hoped for victory party as an outlet for your rage, you have to direct it somewhere else. If not at the candidate, then at his voters, right? What I am seeing today makes me pity you, and it’s a pity tinged with disgust and should not be mistaken for empathy.

It means the same things for us moderate Republicans. Maybe in this time we can produce a candidate who doesn’t alienate the social liberal in us, yet speaks to our concerns about defense, security and the war on terror. I am not completely enamored with the Republican Party. There’s a lot of work to be done within the ranks. I’d like to see a full stop of the move towards the religious right.

Perhaps there is the perfect candidate out there for both of us, someone just making his or her way up the political chain right now. With any luck, there will be a day when a president is elected who is liked by both sides of the fence, who is respected by everyone.

And that’s the great thing about waking up today. See, the world is still here. The sun has risen, there were no great floods or earthquakes or visits from Lucifer during the night. We have the future. We can all - Republicans, Democrats and everyone else - learn a lot from this election and use those lessons to move this country forward.

Sure, it’s easy for me to say those things while I’m sitting in the victor’s chair at the moment. But I believe in my heart that if Kerry were today making a victory speech, I would feel the same way.

I certainly wouldn’t be calling for violent action. I would not be threatening total strangers with death or wishing ill will on them.

But this is a left that is buttressed by people who have more bile than good will, more venom than virtue. They are fronted by circus sideshow acts like Michael Moore, who turn up the flames underneath their followers until the kettle is whistling like mad. That is the shrill sound you hear coming from the left today. And I fear no one is going to turn the flame down.

We are living out the proverbial Chinese curse of living in interesting times. I do hope with all my heart that we can turn down the hate at some point and make the next four years a little less interesting.

[quote]Testy1 wrote:
. How ironic it will be when their 15 year old kids get drafted 3 years from [/quote]

How ironic is it that the left introduces a bill with the draft into congress and the left then uses it as a scare tactic not to vote for Bush.

BTW, separation of church and state did not even become a “coined” term until the 1960’s. My political science professor claimed this as his specialty, was a strong democrat(hated Bush), and he even agreed with me that the point to which we take the separation of church and state today is ridiculous.

Roy:

It might be time to stop the attacks directed at our newly elected President. They didn’t really help your side when you look back.

John Kerry put up a very good fight. He’s a fantastic debater, a bright guy, gave a good concession speech. Let’s be done with the rancor and just talk about the issues. You are a reasonable guy this is a reasonable request.

Why don’t we put the bitterness aside?

[quote]Testy1 wrote:
jackzepplin wrote:

Most religious conservatives are simply good natured people that have moral fiber.

Said the Priest to the Alterboy
[/quote]

While that might be funny to you, it is not representative of the religios community. A few bad seeds do not shake the stability of faith based people.

Ha ha…

[quote]Testy1 wrote:
Because the majority are sheeple led by one or two issues that are important to their own little world. How ironic it will be when their 15 year old kids get drafted 3 years from now because we still won’t have an exit strategy.[/quote]

That’s a pretty simplified view of things. I basically had three choices on the ballot. And yes, usually there are two or three main issues that drives people to vote for one candidate or another. If I could find a candidate that believed in everything that I believed in I’d be ecstatic but I haven’t found that nirvana yet.

So I voted on three or four main issues that conservatives stood for, I guess that makes me a sheeple. Did you even vote? And if you did, did you agree with everything your candidate stood for? Yes? Well, then you’re brainwashed. No? Then you’re one of the sheeple just like us. Nice intelligent attack by you. Try again.