I wrestled in High School about average and I have 20 years in Tae Kwon Do a very kicking influenced art, but would much rather watch boxing than Olympic TKD or wrestling. The NFL pays a lot better to be a journey man than boxing
Londonboxer123,
Joes best bet is to break the klitscho will by pressuring and eating right after right and not breaking whil throwing left hooks from hell
[quote]BigEasy24 wrote:
Londonboxer123,
Joes best bet is to break the klitscho will by pressuring and eating right after right and not breaking whil throwing left hooks from hell[/quote]
And as has been ably demonstrated by the best part of 100 bigger fighters, many of whom had good chins, on the Klitschko record - one does not simply ‘eat right after right’ from a Klitschko.
[quote]LondonBoxer123 wrote:
[quote]BigEasy24 wrote:
Londonboxer123,
Joes best bet is to break the klitscho will by pressuring and eating right after right and not breaking whil throwing left hooks from hell[/quote]
And as has been ably demonstrated by the best part of 100 bigger fighters, many of whom had good chins, on the Klitschko record - one does not simply ‘eat right after right’ from a Klitschko. [/quote]
I just wish Wlad would throw it more. As much as I love his jab, if he was willing to finish guys he’d be a killer.
He’s so fucking boring though. I hate, hate, HATE watching him.
The right hand isn’t thrown from fear of being countered with a slip and rip. pump the jab with a hook occasionally with a lead right and walk to a easy decision or methodical tko/ko
Jermain Taylor has been sent to a mental hospital for evaluation, looks like his career is over (honestly, it should have never resurfaced). Makes me sad, this guy meant a lot to Arkansas and was always a great ambassador for the state. So polite and well spoken, and now he can’t stay out of trouble. Too many blows to the head has turned him into Riddick Bowe part 2. Hopefully he can get help because he is a danger to society and himself it appears.
How about Mayweather and Pacman at the heat game? Blew social media up!
Also, can’t wait for GGG vs Murray. Should be a good one.
not sure if its real or just a PR move but I read Reddick Bowe was in some Thai country doing Muay ti kickboxing
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
[quote]BigEasy24 wrote:
MMA has stolen a lot of the talent from boxing along with a lot of sports and sadly the HORRIBLE judging isn’t helping bring in AMERICAN talent.[/quote]
I don’t think MMA has stolen any talent, actually. The kind of guys who do MMA are not the same kind of kids that box - not in their background (both martial arts and living-wise), where they live, or their mentality. MMA attracts a lot of suburban people who wrestled in HS or do BJJ or started taking muay Thai after it was popular. Boxing attracts the urban guys who didn’t go to high school and could barely afford the $30 a month for the boxing gym.
Football, on the other hand, has FUCKED boxing.[/quote]
I think most sports have fucked boxing. Boxing never tried to accommodate the times. Football made up ways to look like it’s faster, more powerful game. Basketball removed hand checking, and Baseball has the DH. Boxing seemed to have went the opposite direction. An incumbent champion can run for 8 rounds scoring a few points here and there, fight 2 solid high scoring rounds then win by decision.
[quote]Airtruth wrote:
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
[quote]BigEasy24 wrote:
MMA has stolen a lot of the talent from boxing along with a lot of sports and sadly the HORRIBLE judging isn’t helping bring in AMERICAN talent.[/quote]
I don’t think MMA has stolen any talent, actually. The kind of guys who do MMA are not the same kind of kids that box - not in their background (both martial arts and living-wise), where they live, or their mentality. MMA attracts a lot of suburban people who wrestled in HS or do BJJ or started taking muay Thai after it was popular. Boxing attracts the urban guys who didn’t go to high school and could barely afford the $30 a month for the boxing gym.
Football, on the other hand, has FUCKED boxing.[/quote]
I think most sports have fucked boxing. Boxing never tried to accommodate the times. Football made up ways to look like it’s faster, more powerful game. Basketball removed hand checking, and Baseball has the DH. Boxing seemed to have went the opposite direction. An incumbent champion can run for 8 rounds scoring a few points here and there, fight 2 solid high scoring rounds then win by decision.[/quote]
I can understand that, but then that’s why I like it - boxing and baseball are pretty much the only two games that, save for little changes, have remained the same since 1920.
It’s hard to change the rules to push guys to fight more when the sport is about hurting another human, and the very essence of it is “hit and not get hit.” Then you become like football - a shell of your former self.
judging should be altered more than the sport. In most combat sports damage is taken in to way too much regards. Bruising and cuts shouldn’t be a major factor simply that some guys bruise cut so easy while others can take a truck to the face and look fine. Power shots aren’t equal either a straight right should score the same just for the fact one guy can send shivers while the other is laughed at
Judging is one of the things that has really, really killed boxing. The number of outrageous, indefensible decisions that happen right the way through is a cause for disgust amongst many of us who otherwise live and breathe the sport. Boxing does itself absolutely no favours, and almost every part of it could be better managed or improved. Yet somehow, despite all the bullshit, chaos and vested interests, and plenty of boring matchups, it’s still magical, and when it hits the heights, there isn’t another sport in the world fit to stand in its shadow. Therein lies the frustrating paradox of the sport.
Judging is frustrating at times. but the alternative is a nigh on impossible.
can you imagine implementing a detailed, fair and accurate scoring system? christ, that would drive away people. it would have to be advanced to be fair to the complexities of the figth, but also understandable to viewers? I mean. who prefers olympic boxing?
i think we just need judges with ethics. i/e bradley beating pac doesnt require a techincal set up to score. it requires less immoral, unscrupulous judges. canelo vs mayweather mixed decision? thats not poor officiating - its CORRUPTION.
wlad has lost all the biggest fights hes been in - bar haye. which was big because haye is a big name in the uk - not a great fighter.
and even when he beat haye he didnt look great, just haye looked worst, and half his size.
if wlad was some atg he would have gone to ko haye and been successful. but he won wide on points.
if wlad was a few inches shorters he wouldnt be chmapion imo.
Olympic scoring is no fix, but what about half point scoring or even judging the fight in totality appose to rounds?
half point scoring? each to their own i guess. but i love it and think should be cautious when changing it. how often does a truly outrageous decision happen. there needs to be some interpretation per round.
whats killing boxing in my opinion is the state of heavyweight boxing (nothing to do with judges) and the lack of big fights. i.e
kovalev vs stevenson
pac v mayweather
the idea of the big fights are a small factor, I.e. pac/Mayweather but I think that more guys need to come along and shatter the concept of big/small for a certain divisions
[quote]BigEasy24 wrote:
Olympic scoring is no fix, but what about half point scoring or even judging the fight in totality appose to rounds? [/quote]
It’s not the scoring system that’s the problem - it’s the judges. There needs to be much more intense schooling for judges (any of whom have never boxed) on what boxing actually is and how to score it. And they need to be held accountable for what they’re doing. CJ Ross stepping down was good - but more shitty judges need to follow her lead. And refs, too, like that clown Laurence Cole in Texas, who only gets to ref because his fucking father is on the gaming commission. He’s a standing example of what a ref should not be, yet he’s still reffing fights and fucking them up.
In all combat sports I think ex fighters from different levels of the sport should be the judges and refs. Who better than a former champion to know what is and isn’t legal
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
[quote]BigEasy24 wrote:
Olympic scoring is no fix, but what about half point scoring or even judging the fight in totality appose to rounds? [/quote]
It’s not the scoring system that’s the problem - it’s the judges. There needs to be much more intense schooling for judges (any of whom have never boxed) on what boxing actually is and how to score it. And they need to be held accountable for what they’re doing. CJ Ross stepping down was good - but more shitty judges need to follow her lead. And refs, too, like that clown Laurence Cole in Texas, who only gets to ref because his fucking father is on the gaming commission. He’s a standing example of what a ref should not be, yet he’s still reffing fights and fucking them up.
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This.
Would the NFL be what it is today if the NFL and AFL never merged? Merge the WBC, WBA, WBO, and IBF and get rid of promotors and have one ranking with ONE Champion for each weightclass and fights that are determined by the rankings not hand-picked opponents meant to pump up win.
One can dream…