[quote]legendaryblaze wrote:
I see people watch a guitarist and because he makes funny faces it’s supposed to mean he feels the music?
You have the guy play the song doing that or not doing that, doesn’t change how his FINGERS play the song.
You people have to realize that alot of them do that shit for the crowd.[/quote]
Steve Vai actually makes the best faces when he plays. Multiple ‘O’ faces per song.
Antares knows what he is talking about.
Dick Dale
Chuck Berry
Chuck Schuldiner in the metal realm
[quote]legendaryblaze wrote:Listen from 2 minutes in until the end for proof of this.
Most of the people who say emotion can not be found in fast playing are usually the people who aren’t very good at guitar.
I see people watch a guitarist and because he makes funny faces it’s supposed to mean he feels the music?
You have the guy play the song doing that or not doing that, doesn’t change how his FINGERS play the song.
You people have to realize that alot of them do that shit for the crowd.[/quote]
That’s not quite what I was saying.
Look at someone like Jimmy Page. He may not have the perfect technical facility of someone like Satriani or Malmsteen, and he often gets criticized for sloppiness. But Page has written some of the mightiest and most memorable riffs in all of music! I can’t think of a single powerful and memorable riff from those “masturbatory shredders” who dazzle you with technical virtuosity.
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
Look at someone like Jimmy Page. He may not have the perfect technical facility of someone like Satriani or Malmsteen, and he often gets criticized for sloppiness. But Page has written some of the mightiest and most memorable riffs in all of music! I can’t think of a single powerful and memorable riff from those “masturbatory shredders” who dazzle you with technical virtuosity.
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You’ve raised a good point there, ID: Page spent years playing as a session musician, as did Hendrix. Being exposed to a huge range of musical styles and having to play them literally on demand at performance standard, is surely far better preparation for creating good music than just sitting around, practising scales or deliberately limiting yourself to one style of music…or even worse, basing an entire career around ripping off a certain virtuoso violinist…
Perfect playing doesn’t always equal perfect music.
[quote]demonthrall wrote:
Angus/Malcolm Young.
Not so much for their skill, since there are a million people better then they are, but some of the licks and solos they have written for studio tracks are unbeatable in my opinion.
these solos/licks include (def not limited to):
Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap
Let There Be Rock
Back in Black
Eddie Van Halen, SRV, Jimi, etc in this aspect too.
A lot of people like to to bring up “skill heads” that can play a million miles an hour in these discussions. So much of that style of music is sterile and unemotional, at least for me. A lot of what I consider as good guitarism involves the ability to play things that really bend your feelings inside.[/quote]
Aye agree with you big time mate.
Seeing AC/DC last year pretty much made me shoot my muck. Give me Angus power riffs over that fast guitar wankery anyday.
Some cunt in here mentioned Dragonforce as well. Is that not a computer game? What a fucking cheesy name.
[quote]Jack Urboady wrote:
[quote]demonthrall wrote:
Angus/Malcolm Young.
Not so much for their skill, since there are a million people better then they are, but some of the licks and solos they have written for studio tracks are unbeatable in my opinion.
these solos/licks include (def not limited to):
Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap
Let There Be Rock
Back in Black
Eddie Van Halen, SRV, Jimi, etc in this aspect too.
A lot of people like to to bring up “skill heads” that can play a million miles an hour in these discussions. So much of that style of music is sterile and unemotional, at least for me. A lot of what I consider as good guitarism involves the ability to play things that really bend your feelings inside.[/quote]
Aye agree with you big time mate.
Seeing AC/DC last year pretty much made me shoot my muck. Give me Angus power riffs over that fast guitar wankery anyday.
Some cunt in here mentioned Dragonforce as well. Is that not a computer game? What a fucking cheesy name.[/quote]
I would be that cunt.
May I help you?
John Squier
George Lynch
Tony Macalpine
[quote]imhungry wrote:
I would be that cunt.
May I help you?[/quote]
Haha it was a term of endearment ya big hairy cornflake.
And I would disagree.
Except for his few songs like kahsmir and stairway to heaven, his music isn’t really that memorable.
Same with Hendrix.
The reason people think so highly of them is because they either:
When I got into guitar I also thought that Jimmy Page and Hendrix were the best guitarists and musicians that had ever lived (in terms of electrical guitar). This is because it is what I was told and what I read. After a few months, I discovered many guitarists that were both technically and musically more interesting and profound than I had found page and co to ever be.
An example is John Petrucci from Dream theater.
I think the guitar in that song sounds absolutely fantastic. Much more interesting and catchy musically than anything I’ve ever heard Zeppelin write.
Not only that, but the solos are fucking wicked. Just filled with energy and intensity.
Also, the reason you can’t compare someone like Steve Vai to Page is because of the different music they play.
Page and co write music centered around lyrics. They wrote songs. The guitar is not meant to be the center of focus but an accompaniment to the voice. As such, it holds less importance.
Vai and co write solo pieces. Think of Bach or Mozart. They wrote compositions, not songs. As such, the guitar needs to be much more interesting to capture the interest of the listener.
Also, most of the stuff you listen to when comparing is something like Stairway to heaven or Little Wing which are meant to be slow-ish whereas most of the virtuoso stuff is rooted in metal - which is meant to be angry, fast and aggressive.
Apples to oranges.
And the number of notes doesn’t (or rather, shouldn’t) decide if it is emotional or not. How the MUSIC makes YOU FEEL dictates if it has emotion or not.
Sad (more like hauntingly beautiful - listen to the solo 4 min in):
Happy (or energetic/insane):
It’s still emotion, it’s just a different type. Happiness and excitement can be emotions too. It doesn’t have to be sad or depressing to be emotional. If you listen to AC\DC and the solo has you totally banging your head with a big shit eating grin on your face…well…that’s emotion right there.
solo
Hm, let’s see…
ZZ top (beard as epic as their music)
May say Hendrix
Maybe Dylan
Buckethead
Satriani
Kirk Hemmet
Slash
Zakk Wylde
Dave Gilmour
Maybe Clapton
Sometimes BB King
John Frusciante
Dude, I better stop. I can go on all night.
btw check this guy out:
EDIT: How come nobody mentioned Lita Ford? LOLZORE!
Johnny Marr
[quote]imhungry wrote:
John Squier[/quote]
Good shout but it’s Squire
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
Look at someone like Jimmy Page. He may not have the perfect technical facility of someone like Satriani or Malmsteen, and he often gets criticized for sloppiness. But Page has written some of the mightiest and most memorable riffs in all of music! I can’t think of a single powerful and memorable riff from those “masturbatory shredders” who dazzle you with technical virtuosity.
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You’ve raised a good point there, ID: Page spent years playing as a session musician, as did Hendrix. Being exposed to a huge range of musical styles and having to play them literally on demand at performance standard, is surely far better preparation for creating good music than just sitting around, practising scales or deliberately limiting yourself to one style of music…or even worse, basing an entire career around ripping off a certain virtuoso violinist…
Perfect playing doesn’t always equal perfect music.[/quote]
Where do you get this idea?
Yngwie Malmsteen and co have studied many forms of music. Classical, Jazz, Baroque, Blues, etc.
Just because they prefer one style doesn’t mean they aren’t diverse.
Speaking of which, your boys, Page and Hendrix, basically just excessively use the same scale - (blues) minor pentatonic over and over and over. Same with Kirk Hammett.
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
Look at someone like Jimmy Page. He may not have the perfect technical facility of someone like Satriani or Malmsteen, and he often gets criticized for sloppiness. But Page has written some of the mightiest and most memorable riffs in all of music! I can’t think of a single powerful and memorable riff from those “masturbatory shredders” who dazzle you with technical virtuosity.
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Satriani’s music is probably the most emotionally powerful that I’ve heard. It may not be to a lot of people, but music is an art, and art is subjective. Yes, the novelty of an amazingly fast guitarist whose style doesn’t fully sync up with you wears off quickly, but just because music is being played quickly doesn’t mean it can’t affect people the same way someone like Page affects you.
As with most things in life, “different strokes for different folks” applies.
[quote]legendaryblaze wrote:
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
Look at someone like Jimmy Page. He may not have the perfect technical facility of someone like Satriani or Malmsteen, and he often gets criticized for sloppiness. But Page has written some of the mightiest and most memorable riffs in all of music! I can’t think of a single powerful and memorable riff from those “masturbatory shredders” who dazzle you with technical virtuosity.
[/quote]
You’ve raised a good point there, ID: Page spent years playing as a session musician, as did Hendrix. Being exposed to a huge range of musical styles and having to play them literally on demand at performance standard, is surely far better preparation for creating good music than just sitting around, practising scales or deliberately limiting yourself to one style of music…or even worse, basing an entire career around ripping off a certain virtuoso violinist…
Perfect playing doesn’t always equal perfect music.[/quote]
Where do you get this idea?
Yngwie Malmsteen and co have studied many forms of music. Classical, Jazz, Baroque, Blues, etc.
Just because they prefer one style doesn’t mean they aren’t diverse.
Speaking of which, your boys, Page and Hendrix, basically just excessively use the same scale - (blues) minor pentatonic over and over and over. Same with Kirk Hammett.
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Christ on a bike
Yngwie Malmsteen?
Sounds like a South African MP.
Who gives a fuck if Page ‘plays in the same scale’
If playing in the same scale sells you in excess of 100 million albums then I don’t really see a problem.
Unless your a guitar nazi.
[quote]Jack Urboady wrote:
[quote]imhungry wrote:
I would be that cunt.
May I help you?[/quote]
Haha it was a term of endearment ya big hairy cornflake.
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Well, I figured it could go either way…
And, YOU of all people are gonna fuck me for my spelling of, “Squire”. Sheesh.
Fuckin ponce.
[quote]Jack Urboady wrote:
[quote]legendaryblaze wrote:
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
Look at someone like Jimmy Page. He may not have the perfect technical facility of someone like Satriani or Malmsteen, and he often gets criticized for sloppiness. But Page has written some of the mightiest and most memorable riffs in all of music! I can’t think of a single powerful and memorable riff from those “masturbatory shredders” who dazzle you with technical virtuosity.
[/quote]
You’ve raised a good point there, ID: Page spent years playing as a session musician, as did Hendrix. Being exposed to a huge range of musical styles and having to play them literally on demand at performance standard, is surely far better preparation for creating good music than just sitting around, practising scales or deliberately limiting yourself to one style of music…or even worse, basing an entire career around ripping off a certain virtuoso violinist…
Perfect playing doesn’t always equal perfect music.[/quote]
Where do you get this idea?
Yngwie Malmsteen and co have studied many forms of music. Classical, Jazz, Baroque, Blues, etc.
Just because they prefer one style doesn’t mean they aren’t diverse.
Speaking of which, your boys, Page and Hendrix, basically just excessively use the same scale - (blues) minor pentatonic over and over and over. Same with Kirk Hammett.
[/quote]
Christ on a bike
Yngwie Malmsteen?
Sounds like a South African MP.
Who gives a fuck if Page ‘plays in the same scale’
If playing in the same scale sells you in excess of 100 million albums then I don’t really see a problem.
Unless your a guitar nazi.
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It’s “YOU’RE”, ya cunte:)
See how this works?
[quote]
legendaryblaze wrote:
Where do you get this idea?
Yngwie Malmsteen and co have studied many forms of music. Classical, Jazz, Baroque, Blues, etc.
Just because they prefer one style doesn’t mean they aren’t diverse.[/quote]
Baroque is a sub-genre of classical. Not a genre in itself. Look it up.
Malmsteen still hasn’t learned to put pauses in his solos. Which is why there is little variation in his music, whatever the style. All shredders suffer from the same weakness: if they pause during a solo, they’re fucked. They certainly can’t use pauses as an expressive device as fully as slower players. Clapton realized that, so did Satch, which is why they changed their playing styles.
People subconsiously pick up on the lack of variety because the tempo hardly varies.
[quote]
Speaking of which, your boys, Page and Hendrix, basically just excessively use the same scale -(blues) minor pentatonic over and over and over.[/quote] Yeah, their choice of scale matters because all of their songs sound the same…
Every guitarist has a preferred scale pattern or key they feel comfortable playing in, especially when improvising…your point is?
P.S. I totally agree with you that John Petrucci is an exceptional guitarist…but then he’s in a totally different league to that egomaniac hack Malmsteen. And he knows how to make proper use of rests. Sorry.
[quote]Jack Urboady wrote:
Johnny Marr[/quote]
Thank you sir.
One of best Stones/Dolls fan boys ever…And there are shit tons from the 70’s/80’s.
My very first album was the first Van Halen album. It came out and I got it when I was six. I got my first guitar shortly after Texas Flood came out (SRV).
All of Ozzy’s guitarists from Iommi to Wylde (at any given time I have Zakk as my avatar).
But I’ll give a couple “out of the box”:
Brent Mason (THE Eddie Van Halen of country music). Session guy, probably on 85% of every country solo hit in the past 15 years:
Lenny Breau (I’ve gigged with his brother, Denny, several times):
Les Paul (Just about everyone’s played his guitars, or multi-tracked, the technique which he invented)
