[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
Islamic people are not supposed to try and convert you.[/quote]
Perfectly written. They are not supposed to try and convert you. They are to convert you or kill you.[/quote]
Not if you are Jewish or Christian they are not.[/quote]Do they have television in Mexico yet?
[/quote]
Do they still have books in the US or do you just rely on what Fox News tells you about other religions than your own?
[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
Islamic people are not supposed to try and convert you.[/quote]
Perfectly written. They are not supposed to try and convert you. They are to convert you or kill you.[/quote]
Not if you are Jewish or Christian they are not.[/quote]Do they have television in Mexico yet?
[/quote]
Do they still have books in the US or do you just rely on what Fox News tells you about other religions than your own?[/quote]I was going by their own declarations that like everybody has seen and heard. Trust me bub. I have learned what I know about other religions from their own sources.
[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
Islamic people are not supposed to try and convert you.[/quote]
Perfectly written. They are not supposed to try and convert you. They are to convert you or kill you.[/quote]
Not if you are Jewish or Christian they are not.[/quote]
That’s not correct. They attempt coversion, by force if need be.
What they will do is permit “people of the book” to live as dhmini (under the “dominion”). That is, you are allowed to live, but are not a full citizen, your testimony doesn’t matter in court, have limited civil rights, and have to pay a jizya — or a special, additional, tax penalty for being Christian or Jewish.
Eventually they make dhminni status so unbearable and the jizya tax so high, you either flee or convert.
It’s all about subjugation.
[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
Islamic people are not supposed to try and convert you.[/quote]
Perfectly written. They are not supposed to try and convert you. They are to convert you or kill you.[/quote]
Not if you are Jewish or Christian they are not.[/quote]
That’s not correct. They attempt coversion, by force if need be.
What they will do is permit “people of the book” to live as dhmini (under the “dominion”). That is, you are allowed to live, but are not a full citizen, your testimony doesn’t matter in court, have limited civil rights, and have to pay a jizya — or a special, additional, tax penalty for being Christian or Jewish.
Eventually they make dhminni status so unbearable and the jizya tax so high, you either flee or convert.
It’s all about subjugation.[/quote]
And of course the Jews and Christians never ever throughout history ever mistreated people of other beliefs.
Look, as I keep saying, one set of paranoid delusional rantings written down over a thousand years ago holds about as much water with me as another. They are all as ludicrous to me therefore arguing over which is the most ridiculous is kind of pointless. That said, if your laws state that everyone has the freedom to practice their religion, then you don’t get to complain when those rights that protected your faith in the past now protect someone else’s.
[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
[quote]weby wrote:
Cure for the muslim problem= give them back palestine- 99.9% of the them want this and 100% of those who are fighting the west say this a major reason for them doing so. We are being fucked over our love affair with Israel, i know if i lived in palestine and my kids were blown up by american made and paid for jets i would want to do something about it as well.
In Britain we are increasingly realising even the former deputy prime minister Lord Prescott said at the Iraq Inquiry- when i saw those planes hit i knew palestine had to be free, but the israeli influence in the US govt. is too great.
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LOL.
Facts: (1) Islamic terrorism long predates Israel and (2) Israel was largely an empty land with a majority Jewish population – so “giving back” is a lie.
Moreover, most Islamic terrorists have nothing to do with Israel: Cheniyah attacks on Russia, the Muslim attacks on Serbs, the attacks on Chinese, the attacks on Hindi and Siks in India.
Israel is just the excuse the arabs use.
On the topic of “giving back”: Tel Aviv was an empty desert.
Jerusalem was largely empty, primarily Jewish since long before Israel:
Population of Jersualem in 1844:
7,120 Jews
5,000 Muslims
3,390 Christians
15,510 Total
In 1876:
12,000 Jews
7,560 Muslims
5,470 Christians
In 1931:
51,222 Jews
19,894 Muslims
19,335 Christians
In 1948:
100,000 Jews
40,000 Muslims
25,000 Christians
“Arab” east Jerusalem was an evenly mixed community until the Hashemite kingdom of Jordan invaded (in 1948) and committed “ethnic cleansing.”
So, this whole “giving back” thing is beyond silly — it’s letting Mulsims commit ethnic cleansing.[/quote]
haha your a funny cunt, i’ll give you an example of ethnic cleansing- confining a people to a coastal strip, and then bombing the shit out of them the place is called GAZA or demolishing their homes in the west bank so they have no choice but to leave,if the Israeli’s wanted peace they would stop building new settlements instead of spreading like a cancer. Anyone with a bit os scientific knowledge should know about the hallmarks of cancer everyone can be applied Israel.
i was talking to a couple of muslim friends of mine and none of them liked this idea, they say it would just piss people off and make it harder for people like them who just want to practice their religion in peace
[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
Islamic people are not supposed to try and convert you.[/quote]
Perfectly written. They are not supposed to try and convert you. They are to convert you or kill you.[/quote]
Not if you are Jewish or Christian they are not.[/quote]Do they have television in Mexico yet?
[/quote]
Do they still have books in the US or do you just rely on what Fox News tells you about other religions than your own?[/quote]
i think we all the answer to that one-FOX NEWS
[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
Islamic people are not supposed to try and convert you.[/quote]
Perfectly written. They are not supposed to try and convert you. They are to convert you or kill you.[/quote]
Not if you are Jewish or Christian they are not.[/quote]
That’s not correct. They attempt coversion, by force if need be.
What they will do is permit “people of the book” to live as dhmini (under the “dominion”). That is, you are allowed to live, but are not a full citizen, your testimony doesn’t matter in court, have limited civil rights, and have to pay a jizya — or a special, additional, tax penalty for being Christian or Jewish.
Eventually they make dhminni status so unbearable and the jizya tax so high, you either flee or convert.
It’s all about subjugation.[/quote]
Ever religion has some sort of superiority issues
for example the HOLIEST books of the religion of JUDAISM and the books that are the foundation of the entire secular culture of the JEWS religious or non-religious are known as the TALMUD, a racist, bigoted series of books full of VILE HATRED toward JESUS,CHRISTIANITY,CHRISTIANS, and every other non-Jew, as well. The TALMUD calls for the eventual slaughter of ALL GENTILES!
And to be honest with you i like my balls
[quote]Chushin wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I think the issue is that the Muslims did not attack us any more than the Christians attacked us at Oklahoma city. We were attacked by terrorists [/quote]
I wasn’t aware that Timothy McVeigh thought he was doing “God’s work”, that he did what he did in the name of Christianity, or that many Christians supported his actions.
Did I miss something, or is your comparison fatally flawed?[/quote]
The story I heard 
was McVey attacked the Murrah Building in Oklahoma , because the federal government attacked a Christian compound in Wako Texas. You will have to excuse me if I got it wrong
[quote]apbt55 wrote:
[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
[quote]Chushin wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I think the issue is that the Muslims did not attack us any more than the Christians attacked us at Oklahoma city. We were attacked by terrorists [/quote]
I wasn’t aware that Timothy McVeigh thought he was doing “God’s work”, that he did what he did in the name of Christianity, or that many Christians supported his actions.
Did I miss something, or is your comparison fatally flawed?[/quote]
Actually he was raised a catholic and did think he was being guided by an unseen hand so the comparison is entirely valid.
By the way, everyone here is aware that it was not just White, Republican, Christian Americans that were killed on 9/11. Possibly that fact escaped you all.[/quote]
that is comparing 1 lunatic, to the second largest religion in the world though. And analogously calling muslims lunatics. pretty funny,
So from the point made above we derive this simple equation:
muslims = Timothy McVeigh
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The way I see it is Terrorists = Tim McVey
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]Chushin wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I think the issue is that the Muslims did not attack us any more than the Christians attacked us at Oklahoma city. We were attacked by terrorists [/quote]
I wasn’t aware that Timothy McVeigh thought he was doing “God’s work”, that he did what he did in the name of Christianity, or that many Christians supported his actions.
Did I miss something, or is your comparison fatally flawed?[/quote]
The story I heard was McVey attacked the Murrah Building in Oklahoma , because the federal government attacked a Christian compound in Wako Texas. You will have to excuse me if I got it wrong
[/quote]
They story went on to say the David Koresh, the leader of the Branch Davidians, beleived he was Jesus Christ. Does this make them a Christian organization? I think not.
[quote]weby wrote:
[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
Islamic people are not supposed to try and convert you.[/quote]
Perfectly written. They are not supposed to try and convert you. They are to convert you or kill you.[/quote]
Not if you are Jewish or Christian they are not.[/quote]
That’s not correct. They attempt coversion, by force if need be.
What they will do is permit “people of the book” to live as dhmini (under the “dominion”). That is, you are allowed to live, but are not a full citizen, your testimony doesn’t matter in court, have limited civil rights, and have to pay a jizya — or a special, additional, tax penalty for being Christian or Jewish.
Eventually they make dhminni status so unbearable and the jizya tax so high, you either flee or convert.
It’s all about subjugation.[/quote]
Ever religion has some sort of superiority issues
for example the HOLIEST books of the religion of JUDAISM and the books that are the foundation of the entire secular culture of the JEWS religious or non-religious are known as the TALMUD, a racist, bigoted series of books full of VILE HATRED toward JESUS,CHRISTIANITY,CHRISTIANS, and every other non-Jew, as well. The TALMUD calls for the eventual slaughter of ALL GENTILES!
And to be honest with you i like my balls
[/quote]
Weby, all I see from you is hate slinging. I guess your religion is showing its ture colors in you. You are confirming our arguments about the religion of Islam.
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]Chushin wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I think the issue is that the Muslims did not attack us any more than the Christians attacked us at Oklahoma city. We were attacked by terrorists [/quote]
I wasn’t aware that Timothy McVeigh thought he was doing “God’s work”, that he did what he did in the name of Christianity, or that many Christians supported his actions.
Did I miss something, or is your comparison fatally flawed?[/quote]
The story I heard was McVey attacked the Murrah Building in Oklahoma , because the federal government attacked a Christian compound in Wako Texas. You will have to excuse me if I got it wrong
[/quote]
They story went on to say the David Koresh, the leader of the Branch Davidians, beleived he was Jesus Christ. Does this make them a Christian organization? I think not.[/quote]
Why not? How do you know he was not Jesus Christ?
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]Chushin wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I think the issue is that the Muslims did not attack us any more than the Christians attacked us at Oklahoma city. We were attacked by terrorists [/quote]
I wasn’t aware that Timothy McVeigh thought he was doing “God’s work”, that he did what he did in the name of Christianity, or that many Christians supported his actions.
Did I miss something, or is your comparison fatally flawed?[/quote]
The story I heard was McVey attacked the Murrah Building in Oklahoma , because the federal government attacked a Christian compound in Wako Texas. You will have to excuse me if I got it wrong
[/quote]
They story went on to say the David Koresh, the leader of the Branch Davidians, beleived he was Jesus Christ. Does this make them a Christian organization? I think not.[/quote]
So it is some spin off of Christianity . Some people think the whole God is is spoof
[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]Chushin wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I think the issue is that the Muslims did not attack us any more than the Christians attacked us at Oklahoma city. We were attacked by terrorists [/quote]
I wasn’t aware that Timothy McVeigh thought he was doing “God’s work”, that he did what he did in the name of Christianity, or that many Christians supported his actions.
Did I miss something, or is your comparison fatally flawed?[/quote]
The story I heard was McVey attacked the Murrah Building in Oklahoma , because the federal government attacked a Christian compound in Wako Texas. You will have to excuse me if I got it wrong
[/quote]
They story went on to say the David Koresh, the leader of the Branch Davidians, beleived he was Jesus Christ. Does this make them a Christian organization? I think not.[/quote]
Why not? How do you know he was not Jesus Christ?[/quote]
You know better than that CB. I even think you know he was not the Jesus Christ of the Bible. Would you like to ask another question?
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]Chushin wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I think the issue is that the Muslims did not attack us any more than the Christians attacked us at Oklahoma city. We were attacked by terrorists [/quote]
I wasn’t aware that Timothy McVeigh thought he was doing “God’s work”, that he did what he did in the name of Christianity, or that many Christians supported his actions.
Did I miss something, or is your comparison fatally flawed?[/quote]
The story I heard was McVey attacked the Murrah Building in Oklahoma , because the federal government attacked a Christian compound in Wako Texas. You will have to excuse me if I got it wrong
[/quote]
They story went on to say the David Koresh, the leader of the Branch Davidians, beleived he was Jesus Christ. Does this make them a Christian organization? I think not.[/quote]
So it is some spin off of Christianity . Some people think the whole God is is spoof [/quote]
Both you and CB know good an well the Branch Davidians, and Timothy McVehy were not Christians. You might as well try another argument. Saudi Arabia, Iran, Afghanistan, and others monetarily supported the terrorists of 9/11. 30% of Muslims identify and back what the terrorists did on 9/11. The Christian Church did not in any way give money to Timothy McVehy to destroy a Federal Building. Less than .00000000001 of all Christians back up what those two did. If you guys really believe this then you will eat up about everything.
Hey Pitt I have a nice warm Cow Patty over here would you like a taste. It is the best tasting Cow Patty ever.
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]Chushin wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I think the issue is that the Muslims did not attack us any more than the Christians attacked us at Oklahoma city. We were attacked by terrorists [/quote]
I wasn’t aware that Timothy McVeigh thought he was doing “God’s work”, that he did what he did in the name of Christianity, or that many Christians supported his actions.
Did I miss something, or is your comparison fatally flawed?[/quote]
The story I heard was McVey attacked the Murrah Building in Oklahoma , because the federal government attacked a Christian compound in Wako Texas. You will have to excuse me if I got it wrong
[/quote]
They story went on to say the David Koresh, the leader of the Branch Davidians, beleived he was Jesus Christ. Does this make them a Christian organization? I think not.[/quote]
So it is some spin off of Christianity . Some people think the whole God is is spoof [/quote]
Both you and CB know good an well the Branch Davidians, and Timothy McVehy were not Christians. You might as well try another argument. Saudi Arabia, Iran, Afghanistan, and others monetarily supported the terrorists of 9/11. 30% of Muslims identify and back what the terrorists did on 9/11. The Christian Church did not in any way give money to Timothy McVehy to destroy a Federal Building. Less than .00000000001 of all Christians back up what those two did. If you guys really believe this then you will eat up about everything.
Hey Pitt I have a nice warm Cow Patty over here would you like a taste. It is the best tasting Cow Patty ever.[/quote]
He was a Christian, Koresh was a Christian. Now they might not hold the same views as the majority of Christians but that doesn’t stop them being Christians. You (collective) play that game over and over, you claim Christianity is perfect then anyone who is less than perfect you disavow but when a group of Muslims do the same you say they are being disingenuous.
Personally I feel the world would be better off if everyone woke up and stopped believing in any of these fairy tales but that doesn’t give me the right to try to stop you worshiping who you want where you want.
You are the Christian so why am I the one that can forgive and tolerate?
[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]Chushin wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I think the issue is that the Muslims did not attack us any more than the Christians attacked us at Oklahoma city. We were attacked by terrorists [/quote]
I wasn’t aware that Timothy McVeigh thought he was doing “God’s work”, that he did what he did in the name of Christianity, or that many Christians supported his actions.
Did I miss something, or is your comparison fatally flawed?[/quote]
The story I heard was McVey attacked the Murrah Building in Oklahoma , because the federal government attacked a Christian compound in Wako Texas. You will have to excuse me if I got it wrong
[/quote]
They story went on to say the David Koresh, the leader of the Branch Davidians, beleived he was Jesus Christ. Does this make them a Christian organization? I think not.[/quote]
So it is some spin off of Christianity . Some people think the whole God is is spoof [/quote]
Both you and CB know good an well the Branch Davidians, and Timothy McVehy were not Christians. You might as well try another argument. Saudi Arabia, Iran, Afghanistan, and others monetarily supported the terrorists of 9/11. 30% of Muslims identify and back what the terrorists did on 9/11. The Christian Church did not in any way give money to Timothy McVehy to destroy a Federal Building. Less than .00000000001 of all Christians back up what those two did. If you guys really believe this then you will eat up about everything.
Hey Pitt I have a nice warm Cow Patty over here would you like a taste. It is the best tasting Cow Patty ever.[/quote]
He was a Christian, Koresh was a Christian. Now they might not hold the same views as the majority of Christians but that doesn’t stop them being Christians. You (collective) play that game over and over, you claim Christianity is perfect then anyone who is less than perfect you disavow but when a group of Muslims do the same you say they are being disingenuous.
Personally I feel the world would be better off if everyone woke up and stopped believing in any of these fairy tales but that doesn’t give me the right to try to stop you worshiping who you want where you want.
You are the Christian so why am I the one that can forgive and tolerate?[/quote]
I may not like the Muslims building a Mosque near Ground Zero, but by our constitution they have every right to. That does not mean they will not have people out front protesting, but they have every right to.
You comparing a lunitic, David Koresh and Timothy McVehy, to being Christian because of what? They are White, and talk about Jesus? You have no clue what being a Christian is about. So now you are turning from being Agnostic to being Atheist. You really need to pick which side you are on. Jumping back and forth shows you really have no idea what you are talking about.
Now has any of the Muslim world actually disavowed the what the 9/11 bombers did? Have all the Muslim nations come out and said come here we have your guys here they are? Have the Muslim nations allowed Christians to build churches in there countries? You are not comparing Apples to Apples.
If you truely believe that David Koresh is a Christian then you have no clue what Christianity is about. Christians have disavowedt he teaching of David Koresh. The Muslim world bows down to Osama Bin Laden. The Muslim world condones the mistreatment of their women, and all non-beleivers. Read the Koran. It is filled with hate, and murder. The Koran was written by one man. The Bible was written by many people over many generations. Two different books that have nothing in common.
We are warning people of what the truth behind Islam is about. If you want to put your head in the ground and not listen then you go right on ahead that is your right.
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]Chushin wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I think the issue is that the Muslims did not attack us any more than the Christians attacked us at Oklahoma city. We were attacked by terrorists [/quote]
I wasn’t aware that Timothy McVeigh thought he was doing “God’s work”, that he did what he did in the name of Christianity, or that many Christians supported his actions.
Did I miss something, or is your comparison fatally flawed?[/quote]
The story I heard was McVey attacked the Murrah Building in Oklahoma , because the federal government attacked a Christian compound in Wako Texas. You will have to excuse me if I got it wrong
[/quote]
They story went on to say the David Koresh, the leader of the Branch Davidians, beleived he was Jesus Christ. Does this make them a Christian organization? I think not.[/quote]
So it is some spin off of Christianity . Some people think the whole God is is spoof [/quote]
Both you and CB know good an well the Branch Davidians, and Timothy McVehy were not Christians. You might as well try another argument. Saudi Arabia, Iran, Afghanistan, and others monetarily supported the terrorists of 9/11. 30% of Muslims identify and back what the terrorists did on 9/11. The Christian Church did not in any way give money to Timothy McVehy to destroy a Federal Building. Less than .00000000001 of all Christians back up what those two did. If you guys really believe this then you will eat up about everything.
Hey Pitt I have a nice warm Cow Patty over here would you like a taste. It is the best tasting Cow Patty ever.[/quote]
He was a Christian, Koresh was a Christian. Now they might not hold the same views as the majority of Christians but that doesn’t stop them being Christians. You (collective) play that game over and over, you claim Christianity is perfect then anyone who is less than perfect you disavow but when a group of Muslims do the same you say they are being disingenuous.
Personally I feel the world would be better off if everyone woke up and stopped believing in any of these fairy tales but that doesn’t give me the right to try to stop you worshiping who you want where you want.
You are the Christian so why am I the one that can forgive and tolerate?[/quote]
I may not like the Muslims building a Mosque near Ground Zero, but by our constitution they have every right to. That does not mean they will not have people out front protesting, but they have every right to.
You comparing a lunitic, David Koresh and Timothy McVehy, to being Christian because of what? They are White, and talk about Jesus? You have no clue what being a Christian is about. So now you are turning from being Agnostic to being Atheist. You really need to pick which side you are on. Jumping back and forth shows you really have no idea what you are talking about.
Now has any of the Muslim world actually disavowed the what the 9/11 bombers did? Have all the Muslim nations come out and said come here we have your guys here they are? Have the Muslim nations allowed Christians to build churches in there countries? You are not comparing Apples to Apples.
If you truely believe that David Koresh is a Christian then you have no clue what Christianity is about. Christians have disavowedt he teaching of David Koresh. The Muslim world bows down to Osama Bin Laden. The Muslim world condones the mistreatment of their women, and all non-beleivers. Read the Koran. It is filled with hate, and murder. The Koran was written by one man. The Bible was written by many people over many generations. Two different books that have nothing in common.
We are warning people of what the truth behind Islam is about. If you want to put your head in the ground and not listen then you go right on ahead that is your right.
[/quote]
I have pretty clearly stated on numerous threads that I am atheist.
Feel free to go on playing your game of who the craziest crazy person is. The whole point is not whether the Saudi’s would support you building a church right next to Mecca (the Vatican is in talks about building a Church in Saudi though interestingly enough.) The point is that in the US, due to the freedoms that you are so proud, people have the right to worship who they want, how they want, where they want. This should make you happy.