Who's Funding the Mosque?

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]FrozenNinja wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]FrozenNinja wrote:
Hmm…a Mosque in Ground zero? Have we not learned anything?[/quote]

What were we supposed to learn ? [/quote]

To me, it would be disrespectful to place a Mosque at GROUND ZERO. If you know or love anyone that had anything to do with the twin towers, especially ones that passed its disrespectful. Its disrespectful to glorify ground zero with a Mosque which terorrists associate themselves with. I know most Muslims don’t associate themselves with extremist views, but to me putting a Mosque at ground zero would be like saying " Sorry if we offended you, heres a tribute to your religion!" I have absoulutely no problem with Muslims and their religous choices (the non-extremist ones) you can believe what you want. If you wanna build a mosque in honor of 911…put it somewhere else, not ground zero.

Building a mosque in that honor shows America honors many religions and Honors the “good” Isalm practice…but you can find somewhere else to put it. Not somewhere that a tragedy occurred that will remind many people of who and what attacked. [/quote]

I think the issue is that the Muslims did not attack us any more than the Christians attacked us at Oklahoma city. We were attacked by terrorists

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Who’s bright idea was this anyway? To build a damn mosque there. It is such a slap in the face to the victims of 9/11, their families, to America and freedom as a whole. I dont care what those GOTDAMNED bleeding hearts say, it should not be built at ground zero.

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Cure for the muslim problem= give them back palestine- 99.9% of the them want this and 100% of those who are fighting the west say this a major reason for them doing so. We are being fucked over our love affair with Israel, i know if i lived in palestine and my kids were blown up by american made and paid for jets i would want to do something about it as well.

In Britain we are increasingly realising even the former deputy prime minister Lord Prescott said at the Iraq Inquiry- when i saw those planes hit i knew palestine had to be free, but the israeli influence in the US govt. is too great.

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It is so disghusting and insane that they are actually doing this. It’s so incredibly bizarre that when I first heard it I thought it was a tasteless JOKE. It’s spitting in every dead eye of everyone that died there that day. It’s madness.

Let’s just memorialize the enemy. Brilliant. Good one.

This country is going down the drain so blindingly fast that you can almost feel it.

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[quote]Chushin wrote:
If your friends told you that, they are either lying (which is also condoned in the Koran, BTW) or not true followers of Islam.[/quote]

Do you ever take a break from this bullshit?

Remind me to send a memo to all Islamic scholars: Forget interpretation. Forget contextualization. Forget everything you know. Chushin talks to God and He revealed the Truth to him!

On the issue, this is but a pathetic circus. Palin’s statement was bordering on crazy. And the lawsuit filed against the construction of the building is laughable. Looks like the US is running short on “freedom”, with all the exporting it’s done and what not…

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[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

I think the issue is that the Muslims did not attack us any more than the Christians attacked us at Oklahoma city. We were attacked by terrorists [/quote]

I wasn’t aware that Timothy McVeigh thought he was doing “God’s work”, that he did what he did in the name of Christianity, or that many Christians supported his actions.

Did I miss something, or is your comparison fatally flawed?[/quote]

Actually he was raised a catholic and did think he was being guided by an unseen hand so the comparison is entirely valid.

By the way, everyone here is aware that it was not just White, Republican, Christian Americans that were killed on 9/11. Possibly that fact escaped you all.

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[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:

[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

I think the issue is that the Muslims did not attack us any more than the Christians attacked us at Oklahoma city. We were attacked by terrorists [/quote]

I wasn’t aware that Timothy McVeigh thought he was doing “God’s work”, that he did what he did in the name of Christianity, or that many Christians supported his actions.

Did I miss something, or is your comparison fatally flawed?[/quote]

Not to defend the Roman Church, but McVeigh’s stated his relgion was “science.” His writings were filled with typical anti-Christian and anti-Jewish scribblings.

Not to defend the Roman Church, but McVeigh stated his religion was “science” and filled his writings with anti-Christian and anti-Jewish rantings.

Not to defend the Roman Church, but McVeigh was an atheist. When asked what his religion he said “science.”

Actually he was raised a catholic and did think he was being guided by an unseen hand so the comparison is entirely valid.

By the way, everyone here is aware that it was not just White, Republican, Christian Americans that were killed on 9/11. Possibly that fact escaped you all.[/quote]

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[quote]weby wrote:
Cure for the muslim problem= give them back palestine- 99.9% of the them want this and 100% of those who are fighting the west say this a major reason for them doing so. We are being fucked over our love affair with Israel, i know if i lived in palestine and my kids were blown up by american made and paid for jets i would want to do something about it as well.

In Britain we are increasingly realising even the former deputy prime minister Lord Prescott said at the Iraq Inquiry- when i saw those planes hit i knew palestine had to be free, but the israeli influence in the US govt. is too great.
[/quote]

LOL.

Facts: (1) Islamic terrorism long predates Israel and (2) Israel was largely an empty land with a majority Jewish population – so “giving back” is a lie.

Moreover, most Islamic terrorists have nothing to do with Israel: Cheniyah attacks on Russia, the Muslim attacks on Serbs, the attacks on Chinese, the attacks on Hindi and Siks in India.

Israel is just the excuse the arabs use.

On the topic of “giving back”: Tel Aviv was an empty desert.

Jerusalem was largely empty, primarily Jewish since long before Israel:

Population of Jersualem in 1844:
7,120 Jews
5,000 Muslims
3,390 Christians
15,510 Total

In 1876:

12,000 Jews
7,560 Muslims
5,470 Christians

In 1931:

51,222 Jews
19,894 Muslims
19,335 Christians

In 1948:

100,000 Jews
40,000 Muslims
25,000 Christians

“Arab” east Jerusalem was an evenly mixed community until the Hashemite kingdom of Jordan invaded (in 1948) and committed “ethnic cleansing.”

So, this whole “giving back” thing is beyond silly — it’s letting Mulsims commit ethnic cleansing.

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[quote]katzenjammer wrote:

[quote]apbt55 wrote:

What about the bubble law in chicago, a man can’t even pray outside a planned parenthood, does this not fall under the same category.

[/quote]

WTF?[/quote]

yeah sorry not enough clarification.

Is this not similar to instances where many christians in the country get in trouble for being somehwere where they might be strongly opposed.

Or hell, like the KKK setting a conference center in Harlem.

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[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:

[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

I think the issue is that the Muslims did not attack us any more than the Christians attacked us at Oklahoma city. We were attacked by terrorists [/quote]

I wasn’t aware that Timothy McVeigh thought he was doing “God’s work”, that he did what he did in the name of Christianity, or that many Christians supported his actions.

Did I miss something, or is your comparison fatally flawed?[/quote]

Actually he was raised a catholic and did think he was being guided by an unseen hand so the comparison is entirely valid.

By the way, everyone here is aware that it was not just White, Republican, Christian Americans that were killed on 9/11. Possibly that fact escaped you all.[/quote]

that is comparing 1 lunatic, to the second largest religion in the world though. And analogously calling muslims lunatics. pretty funny,

So from the point made above we derive this simple equation:

muslims = Timothy McVeigh

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[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:

[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

I think the issue is that the Muslims did not attack us any more than the Christians attacked us at Oklahoma city. We were attacked by terrorists [/quote]

I wasn’t aware that Timothy McVeigh thought he was doing “God’s work”, that he did what he did in the name of Christianity, or that many Christians supported his actions.

Did I miss something, or is your comparison fatally flawed?[/quote]

Not to defend the Roman Church, but McVeigh’s stated his relgion was “science.” His writings were filled with typical anti-Christian and anti-Jewish scribblings.

Not to defend the Roman Church, but McVeigh stated his religion was “science” and filled his writings with anti-Christian and anti-Jewish rantings.

Not to defend the Roman Church, but McVeigh was an atheist. When asked what his religion he said “science.”

Actually he was raised a catholic and did think he was being guided by an unseen hand so the comparison is entirely valid.

By the way, everyone here is aware that it was not just White, Republican, Christian Americans that were killed on 9/11. Possibly that fact escaped you all.[/quote]
[/quote]

Actually he stated that he was agnostic though he felt that everything that happened was guided by a higher power. Not surprisingly for someone that was able to do what he did he was a bit all over the place. But then again, the guys who flew planes into the twin towers were also most likely a teensy bit unhinged.

The Anti Jewish stuff was definitely there, he was a white supremacist after all.

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[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]weby wrote:
Cure for the muslim problem= give them back palestine- 99.9% of the them want this and 100% of those who are fighting the west say this a major reason for them doing so. We are being fucked over our love affair with Israel, i know if i lived in palestine and my kids were blown up by american made and paid for jets i would want to do something about it as well.

In Britain we are increasingly realising even the former deputy prime minister Lord Prescott said at the Iraq Inquiry- when i saw those planes hit i knew palestine had to be free, but the israeli influence in the US govt. is too great.
[/quote]

LOL.

Facts: (1) Islamic terrorism long predates Israel and (2) Israel was largely an empty land with a majority Jewish population – so “giving back” is a lie.

Moreover, most Islamic terrorists have nothing to do with Israel: Cheniyah attacks on Russia, the Muslim attacks on Serbs, the attacks on Chinese, the attacks on Hindi and Siks in India.

Israel is just the excuse the arabs use.

On the topic of “giving back”: Tel Aviv was an empty desert.

Jerusalem was largely empty, primarily Jewish since long before Israel:

Population of Jersualem in 1844:
7,120 Jews
5,000 Muslims
3,390 Christians
15,510 Total

In 1876:

12,000 Jews
7,560 Muslims
5,470 Christians

In 1931:

51,222 Jews
19,894 Muslims
19,335 Christians

In 1948:

100,000 Jews
40,000 Muslims
25,000 Christians

“Arab” east Jerusalem was an evenly mixed community until the Hashemite kingdom of Jordan invaded (in 1948) and committed “ethnic cleansing.”

So, this whole “giving back” thing is beyond silly — it’s letting Mulsims commit ethnic cleansing.[/quote]

So would you classify the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan as Christian violence against Muslims?

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[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:

The problems you point out with Islam are definitely real problems however in the same way that Christians would say that horrific things carried out in the name of Christianity are actually not Christian because they were not truly following Gods will, rationale Muslims will tell you that the kind of horrors listed above go totally against the religion of peace.[/quote]

Correct me if I’m wrong, but don’t the 4 major schools of Sunni jurisprudence condone death for aposty?[/quote]

Correct. I am no expert on Christianity, but I have read the primary source materials (e.g., the Christian Bible).

I am very acutely aware of the abuses of Christiandom, no small amount done to my tribe.

A distinction can be made between Islam and Christianity in that the abuses of Christiandom, done in its name, CONFLICT with its source material. The moral teaching of Christianity are very sound, and, indeed come directly from the Hillel school of thought. (Rabbi Hillel authored the Golden Rule, repeated to much effect by Jesus.)

In contrast, the abuses of Islam (e.g., spreading Islam by terror) come directly from the source material and are fully consistent with the koran.

A Jewish person can read the Christian Bible and have serious theological disputes, but the moral teachings are wonderful.

The koran, in contrast, is shocking.[/quote]

Thank you for that confirmation.

Always enjoy your contributions.[/quote]
And he is EXACTLY right and making the point I’ve been harping on for a while now. Christians, so called, are disobeying the God they claim to worship when committing any form of conversion by conquest. It’s not even possible. Muslims are disobeying their God if they refuse to engage in conversion or extermination by any means necessary. If the world does get this it’s gonna be sharia for all one day if these people have their way. It is WAR and they will lie, obfuscate, misrepresent and propagandize to win. As would any serious participant in a war.

Jesus willingly went to His own death to accomplish His mission. Mohammad killed others in the accomplishment of his. What is so tough about this? I’m not asking you, but people generally. Islam is rooted in barbarism. Christianity is rooted in self sacrifice. ROOTED. It makes no difference what modern heretics to either faith may claim. We are talking about the roots. Bin Laden is merely acting in accordance with his religion’s righteous roots.

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[quote]apbt55 wrote:

[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:

[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

I think the issue is that the Muslims did not attack us any more than the Christians attacked us at Oklahoma city. We were attacked by terrorists [/quote]

I wasn’t aware that Timothy McVeigh thought he was doing “God’s work”, that he did what he did in the name of Christianity, or that many Christians supported his actions.

Did I miss something, or is your comparison fatally flawed?[/quote]

Actually he was raised a catholic and did think he was being guided by an unseen hand so the comparison is entirely valid.

By the way, everyone here is aware that it was not just White, Republican, Christian Americans that were killed on 9/11. Possibly that fact escaped you all.[/quote]

that is comparing 1 lunatic, to the second largest religion in the world though. And analogously calling muslims lunatics. pretty funny,

So from the point made above we derive this simple equation:

muslims = Timothy McVeigh
[/quote]

Depending on who you believe, he didn’t work alone. He was part of a white supremacist group and was horrified by what had happened at Waco and reacted against the group he saw as the oppressor. Again, analogous to the fanatical nutters who flew planes into the twin towers.

Your equation should read:

Timothy McVeigh = Fanatical Nutter

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:

The problems you point out with Islam are definitely real problems however in the same way that Christians would say that horrific things carried out in the name of Christianity are actually not Christian because they were not truly following Gods will, rationale Muslims will tell you that the kind of horrors listed above go totally against the religion of peace.[/quote]

Correct me if I’m wrong, but don’t the 4 major schools of Sunni jurisprudence condone death for aposty?[/quote]

Correct. I am no expert on Christianity, but I have read the primary source materials (e.g., the Christian Bible).

I am very acutely aware of the abuses of Christiandom, no small amount done to my tribe.

A distinction can be made between Islam and Christianity in that the abuses of Christiandom, done in its name, CONFLICT with its source material. The moral teaching of Christianity are very sound, and, indeed come directly from the Hillel school of thought. (Rabbi Hillel authored the Golden Rule, repeated to much effect by Jesus.)

In contrast, the abuses of Islam (e.g., spreading Islam by terror) come directly from the source material and are fully consistent with the koran.

A Jewish person can read the Christian Bible and have serious theological disputes, but the moral teachings are wonderful.

The koran, in contrast, is shocking.[/quote]

Thank you for that confirmation.

Always enjoy your contributions.[/quote]
And he is EXACTLY right and making the point I’ve been harping on for a while now. Christians, so called, are disobeying the God they claim to worship when committing any form of conversion by conquest. It’s not even possible. Muslims are disobeying their God if they refuse to engage in conversion or extermination by any means necessary. If the world does get this it’s gonna be sharia for all one day if these people have their way. It is WAR and they will lie, obfuscate, misrepresent and propagandize to win. As would any serious participant in a war.

Jesus willingly went to His own death to accomplish His mission. Mohammad killed others in the accomplishment of his. What is so tough about this? I’m not asking you, but people generally. Islam is rooted in barbarism. Christianity is rooted in self sacrifice. ROOTED. It makes no difference what modern heretics to either faith may claim. We are talking about the roots. Bin Laden is merely acting in accordance with his religion’s righteous roots.[/quote]

I think you are OK as someone of the book. Islamic people are not supposed to try and convert you. I’m fucked though as a Godless Heathen.

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[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
Islamic people are not supposed to try and convert you.[/quote]

Perfectly written. They are not supposed to try and convert you. They are to convert you or kill you.

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[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
Islamic people are not supposed to try and convert you.[/quote]

Perfectly written. They are not supposed to try and convert you. They are to convert you or kill you.[/quote]

Not if you are Jewish or Christian they are not.

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[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
Islamic people are not supposed to try and convert you.[/quote]

Perfectly written. They are not supposed to try and convert you. They are to convert you or kill you.[/quote]

Not if you are Jewish or Christian they are not.[/quote]Do they have television in Mexico yet?