[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
If it is being built as a place to remember the hundreds of Muslims killed in the terrorist attacks then there should be no issue with it.
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BTW, Cockster, where did you get this number from?
Here’s a guy who estimates all of 28 – yeah, just 28 – Muslims died in the attacks.
I got the figure from the About.com site. Even were it only 1 or even none, there are no grounds to refuse the Muslim community the right to build a mosque and community centre in a vacant property a couple of blocks from Ground Zero.
[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
OK so have actually checked into this further. Firstly the Mosque site isn’t even at ground zero, it is a couple of blocks away, secondly there is another Mosque already in the area that has been there since before the twin towers were even built (before Cushing starts foaming at the mouth and claiming they obviously don’t need another one, firstly how the hell would he know and secondly why does he have the right to decide that?)
[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
OK so have actually checked into this further. Firstly the Mosque site isn’t even at ground zero, it is a couple of blocks away, secondly there is another Mosque already in the area that has been there since before the twin towers were even built (before Cushing starts foaming at the mouth and claiming they obviously don’t need another one, firstly how the hell would he know and secondly why does he have the right to decide that?)
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Okay, I’m going to have ask for proof.[/quote]
Proof that it is not at ground zero or proof there is another mosque in the area?
Hope that works, the purple splodge is ground zero, the purple dots are current mosque locations, the red A is the site of the new community centre and mosque.
[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
FWIW, it’s a sign of conquest in the Islamic world to place a mosque on the site of some great triumph.
Examples: pretty much any former church in the ME is now a mosque.
Witness the gold domed pagan structure (al aska mosque) on top of the Temple Mount.
This is basic we’ve-got-you-beat chest-beating Islam 101 and will be taken as a sign of weakness and submission to Islam.
Religious issues aside, its existance will be used by radical islamists as “proof” that America is weak and ripe for attack.
(Sorry for the bad news; I’ve lived surrounded by muslims my entire life. It’s how they think.)[/quote]
My feelings exactly. If this mosque gets built im just going to assume that there are more anti-americans living in american today than there are patriots
[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
FWIW, it’s a sign of conquest in the Islamic world to place a mosque on the site of some great triumph.
Examples: pretty much any former church in the ME is now a mosque.
Witness the gold domed pagan structure (al aska mosque) on top of the Temple Mount.
This is basic we’ve-got-you-beat chest-beating Islam 101 and will be taken as a sign of weakness and submission to Islam.
Religious issues aside, its existance will be used by radical islamists as “proof” that America is weak and ripe for attack.
(Sorry for the bad news; I’ve lived surrounded by muslims my entire life. It’s how they think.)[/quote]
My feelings exactly. If this mosque gets built im just going to assume that there are more anti-americans living in american today than there are patriots[/quote]
Is that how you felt 40 years ago when the mosque just down the road from the proposed site was built?
Interesting article I just read on CNN. It’s an opinion piece. Some excerpts…
"Simply put, Islamophobia has become ridiculously out of hand. For those who argue that mosques are somehow inherently breeding grounds for extremism, a two-year joint study by Duke University’s Sanford School of Public Policy and the University of North Carolina concluded that American “mosques are actually a deterrent to the spread of militant Islam and terrorism.”
"The professors in the joint study further highlighted that “many mosque leaders had put significant effort into countering extremism by building youth programs, sponsoring anti-violence forums and scrutinizing teachers and texts.”
"During an emotionally stirring and teary-eyed press conference on the mosque, Bloomberg said: “Whatever you may think of the proposed mosque and community center, lost in the heat of the debate has been a basic question – should government attempt to deny private citizens the right to build a house of worship on private property based on their particular religion?”
“First of all, the Manhattan building in question already includes a prayer space for Muslims. That building is what they will actually tear down in order to build a larger $100 million community center for New Yorkers of all religions; where there will be bookstores, restaurants, art galleries and yes, even a Muslim prayer room.”
"In a recent Newsweek column that he wrote on the matter, “Build the Ground Zero Mosque,” Zakaria stated, “If there is going to be a reformist movement in Islam, it is going to emerge from places like the proposed institute. We should be encouraging groups like the one behind this project, not demonizing them. Were this mosque being built in a foreign city, chances are that the U.S. government would be funding it.”
[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
If it is being built as a place to remember the hundreds of Muslims killed in the terrorist attacks then there should be no issue with it.
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BTW, Cockster, where did you get this number from?
Here’s a guy who estimates all of 28 – yeah, just 28 – Muslims died in the attacks.
I got the figure from the About.com site. Even were it only 1 or even none, there are no grounds to refuse the Muslim community the right to build a mosque and community centre in a vacant property a couple of blocks from Ground Zero.[/quote]
Oh, well why didn’t you just say so?
I’m completely convinced now.
Sheesh.[/quote]
So about.com’s figure must be wrong because some bloke with a blog site says so.
[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
OK so have actually checked into this further. Firstly the Mosque site isn’t even at ground zero, it is a couple of blocks away, secondly there is another Mosque already in the area that has been there since before the twin towers were even built (before Cushing starts foaming at the mouth and claiming they obviously don’t need another one, firstly how the hell would he know and secondly why does he have the right to decide that?)
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More importantly, who the hell is “Cushing?”
Although, if he’s American, he certainly has more of a right to decide than you do.[/quote]
He’s the guy who plays for the Texans, he got busted for taking a fertility drug.
[quote]PB Andy wrote:
"During an emotionally stirring and teary-eyed press conference on the mosque, Bloomberg said: “Whatever you may think of the proposed mosque and community center, lost in the heat of the debate has been a basic question – should government attempt to deny private citizens the right to build a house of worship on private property based on their particular religion?”
I like this one the most. If the money came from private citizens of the US then I would have no problems. The guy heading up the building is about to travel to several Middle East Countries to raise money and all paid for by US Tax Payer Money. The bulk of the money is coming from foreign governments and not US Private Citizens.
[quote]Makavali wrote:
It’s not hard to see why people would see a Mosque near Ground Zero to be an insult to the people that died.[/quote]
Peoples’ feelings do not trump the US Constitution, and thank God for that.[/quote]
Agreed.
That fact will come in handy when the mosque finds itself protested daily. [/quote]
Probably and those people would all be idiots.
Lets see, the dollar is in danger of collapsing, SS is collapsing, state governments are issuing IOUs, interests will go up, basically doubling an unsustainable deficit and finishing off cities that are too much in debt, federal jobs are exploding and making on average twice as much as the private sector, real unemployment is around 20%, medical services will and must be rationed due to a governmnet hijack of 1/6 of the US economy, there are two wars on and saber rattling for a third and people are easily distracted by what exactly?
A fucking mosque?
Jesus, you guys are deserving everything that is coming to you.
[quote]katzenjammer wrote:
Video: “Three Things You Should Know about Islam”
I know most of you are pretty conversant in what this video is saying, but it’s a compact and lucid video you can send people who are apologists for Islam without knowing much about what that really means.
Excellent vid!! Thanks man! I’m going to put this up on FB
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Islam is not a religion. Its a militant anti-west ideology parading as a religion, for the purpose of destruction. [/quote]
That’s just your hateful Ann-Coulter-fed half-brain talking.
Islam is a religion. Muslims just want a place of worship like everybody else. 9/11 was a tragic event but it’s time to move on.[/quote]
And THAT’S just YOUR lib-nazi Chris Mathews/Paul Krugman-fed brain talking.
What Headhunter said is true. It’s in the fucking Koran. And the last thing your wrong about is that it’s “time to move on”
lol It will NEVER be time to move on. There is no going back. What that event brought to the western world will always be here, and will ALWAYS be a factor.
