Who's Funding the Mosque?

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
Help me out on something. Is there somewhere else that you can go other than Heaven or Hell?

Something else I would like your views on, I think we would both agree that someone like Koresh is sick, he has a chemical imbalance in his brain leading him to have delusions that he is hearing God speak to him and also leading him to want sex with lots of underage girls. Now given that he is sick and given that his sickness is driving him to depravity he doesn’t have free will in his choice to sin. Therefore is he actually sinning?[/quote]

Yes, Purgatory and some believe Limbo. However, at some point, if you go Purgatory, you end up in Heaven after being cleansed. Limbo is a little tricky and I’m not exactly sure what it is besides when it comes to the Jews. However it is a subject of interest.

Yes, we agree. I’m not exactly sure what is wrong with Koresh (or much of his actions), but yes it wouldn’t be too far to say he was a sick man.

Well this would matter, let’s say he was possessed by demons, and it wasn’t a chemical imbalance, then yes he would be guilty, because just like vampires (even though vampires are not real) demons cannot enter without your permission. However, if it was in fact a genuine chemical imbalance, and he did in fact have no free will. Then logically he would have sinned, still, but only venial sin, not mortal.[/quote]

Thanks for the reply, I wasn’t sure what the latest Catholic view on Limbo was (I thought they changed their mind recently)

Interesting on the second part, do you literally believe in Demons that possess people then? How would you tell it was a Demon and not a mental illness?[/quote]

I’m not an exorcist, so I am not totally sure. I know on the exorcist teams they have psychologists to make sure that it is not mental illness though. Even though The Exorcist opened the eyes to people about exorcism (the movie was copied after a young boy in a prominent families exorcism) it didn’t give the whole story. There is more to it than walking into a room and tying someone down and throwing holy water on them and saying some Latin prayers.

Yeah, I’m not sure either, that’s why I want to do some research.

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

[quote]Makavali wrote:
My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God’s truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter.

In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross.

As a Christian I have no duty to allow my self to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice! And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.[/quote]
This was a much better attempt than your usual prating gibberish, but alas we have been treated to prating gibberish nonetheless. I shall await with bated breath your next soaring contribution to these forums.
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I must admit, I plagiarized that statement.

I can’t for the life of me remember the source though. Must have been someone pretty unimportant to history I guess.

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By the way, as for the original topic, it is extremely disrespectful to those that lost their lives that day to put up what is effectively a monument to the reasoning for such a barbaric attack.

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[quote]Makavali wrote:
By the way, as for the original topic, it is extremely disrespectful to those that lost their lives that day to put up what is effectively a monument to the reasoning for such a barbaric attack.[/quote]That is rather decent of you and now you made me feel bad about jumping on your case about that goofy secularized and mostly inaccurate piece about Jesus which you said this about:[quote]I must admit, I plagiarized that statement.
I can’t for the life of me remember the source though. Must have been someone pretty unimportant to history I guess.[/quote]Whatever the source you’re better off not remembering =]

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[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]Makavali wrote:
By the way, as for the original topic, it is extremely disrespectful to those that lost their lives that day to put up what is effectively a monument to the reasoning for such a barbaric attack.[/quote]

Jeez.

Even he “gets” it.[/quote]

There is nothing to get. It’s a very VERY simple concept and how people rationalize it is beyond me.

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:
“In an article in the New York Daily News on Thursday, retired FDNY Deputy Chief Jim Riches said, â??I realize itâ??s not all of them, but I donâ??t want to have to go down to a memorial where my son died on 9/11 and look at a mosque. If you ask me, itâ??s a religion of hate.â?? Deputy Chief Riches lost his son Jim, a firefighter, on 9/11.”

Who is funding the building of this nest? Look at some of the names: United Nations, Rockefellers, Carnegie, foreign governments.

When I was younger (back when we lived in the trees ;), this was called deviltry…plain and simple deviltry.

Now the Anti-Defamation league has come out against this mosque. Go for it, boys!!

America has to decide…be a nation of God or a nation gripped by Satan.

[/quote]

Apologies for not reading all the posts before submitting this (becaseu someone has probably mentioned it already) but it’s late and i can’t read all the posts tonight!

This whole discussion about the mosque, including who is funding it - yes, Saudi Arabia, among others - is on jihadwatch.org all the time, especially in the past few weeks. Also at atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com.

The Imam Feisal Rauf 9wife daisy Khan) behind it is one of the funders of the Gaza flotilla and is amember/founder of the Cordoba Initiative, the group wanting to build the mosque. Robert spencer at jihadwatch.org has video of at least one antiMosque protest.

A guy called Gutfeld from the Daily Gut (a blog) is proposing to build a gay bar right next to it! he reckons he’s not joking - we’ll see!

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[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:

The whole fucking thread is about whether a group of (mostly) Christians have a right to tell a group of Muslims where they can build a Mosque.

Why is it insensitive? Lots of Muslims died in the attack it wasn’t a Muslim attack, it was a terrorist attack.[/quote]

I’m beginning to think you are little more than a troll.

I suppose the Rape of Nanking wasn’t a Japanese attack, it was a “military” attack in your view?

The clowns who carried it out were MUSLIMS, who did it IN THE NAME OF ISLAM. Supported by a bunch of other folks who are MUSLIMS, condone such actions, and justify their positions and actions with the KORAN. All of which is part of an international movement of MUSLIMS to attack the WEST, partly for RELIGOUS REASONS.

Dear Lord, you can’t possibly be so stupid as to ask why it would be “insensitive.”

At this pace, my friend, it won’t be too long before folks here start to just ignore your posts. [/quote]
People like our friend here get other people killed. He also has no problem attempting to force David Koresh on Christians and make him a “Christian” issue despite the fact that every Christian in history denounces him and NOTHING in Christian doctrine or tradition supports him. He then turns around and refuses to call this a Muslim issue when all the participants were acting accordance with their own scriptures and the example of their own prophet, not to mention barely a relative squeak from the Muslim world unconditionally denouncing the attacks.

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[quote]'nuffsaid wrote:

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
“In an article in the New York Daily News on Thursday, retired FDNY Deputy Chief Jim Riches said, Ã?¢??I realize itÃ?¢??s not all of them, but I donÃ?¢??t want to have to go down to a memorial where my son died on 9/11 and look at a mosque. If you ask me, itÃ?¢??s a religion of hate.Ã?¢?? Deputy Chief Riches lost his son Jim, a firefighter, on 9/11.”

Who is funding the building of this nest? Look at some of the names: United Nations, Rockefellers, Carnegie, foreign governments.

When I was younger (back when we lived in the trees ;), this was called deviltry…plain and simple deviltry.

Now the Anti-Defamation league has come out against this mosque. Go for it, boys!!

America has to decide…be a nation of God or a nation gripped by Satan.

[/quote]

Apologies for not reading all the posts before submitting this (becaseu someone has probably mentioned it already) but it’s late and i can’t read all the posts tonight!

This whole discussion about the mosque, including who is funding it - yes, Saudi Arabia, among others - is on jihadwatch.org all the time, especially in the past few weeks. Also at atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com.

The Imam Feisal Rauf 9wife daisy Khan) behind it is one of the funders of the Gaza flotilla and is amember/founder of the Cordoba Initiative, the group wanting to build the mosque. Robert spencer at jihadwatch.org has video of at least one antiMosque protest.

A guy called Gutfeld from the Daily Gut (a blog) is proposing to build a gay bar right next to it! he reckons he’s not joking - we’ll see![/quote]

Greg Gutfeld?

You better believe that he is perfectly able to pull something like that off.

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]'nuffsaid wrote:

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
“In an article in the New York Daily News on Thursday, retired FDNY Deputy Chief Jim Riches said, Ã??Ã?¢??I realize itÃ??Ã?¢??s not all of them, but I donÃ??Ã?¢??t want to have to go down to a memorial where my son died on 9/11 and look at a mosque. If you ask me, itÃ??Ã?¢??s a religion of hate.Ã??Ã?¢?? Deputy Chief Riches lost his son Jim, a firefighter, on 9/11.”

Who is funding the building of this nest? Look at some of the names: United Nations, Rockefellers, Carnegie, foreign governments.

When I was younger (back when we lived in the trees ;), this was called deviltry…plain and simple deviltry.

Now the Anti-Defamation league has come out against this mosque. Go for it, boys!!

America has to decide…be a nation of God or a nation gripped by Satan.

[/quote]

Apologies for not reading all the posts before submitting this (becaseu someone has probably mentioned it already) but it’s late and i can’t read all the posts tonight!

This whole discussion about the mosque, including who is funding it - yes, Saudi Arabia, among others - is on jihadwatch.org all the time, especially in the past few weeks. Also at atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com.

The Imam Feisal Rauf 9wife daisy Khan) behind it is one of the funders of the Gaza flotilla and is amember/founder of the Cordoba Initiative, the group wanting to build the mosque. Robert spencer at jihadwatch.org has video of at least one antiMosque protest.

A guy called Gutfeld from the Daily Gut (a blog) is proposing to build a gay bar right next to it! he reckons he’s not joking - we’ll see![/quote]

Greg Gutfeld?

You better believe that he is perfectly able to pull something like that off.

[/quote]

Here is Gutfeld Tweeting at Park51 (the name the mosque is using)

@greggutfeld: “Hey, how do you feel about my gay Muslim bar set to be built near the Mosque? Do you embrace in the name of tolerance?”

"@park51: “You’re free to open whatever you like. If you won’t consider the sensibilities of Muslims, you’re not going to build dialog.”

That about says it all…you had damn well better let us build our middle finger to your loss wherever we please, but don’t you dare try and build anything nearby that offends us.

Unreal.

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I am warning Americans that if Muslims get their way by building a mosque, then end of U.S. is very near! Don’t let them near you or your country. Islam will attack you again and again till you submit to it. U.S. is already thinking of leaving Afghanistan. This has already encouraged Muslims that after USSR, they have defeated another super power and Islam’s rule is very near.

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[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:

The whole fucking thread is about whether a group of (mostly) Christians have a right to tell a group of Muslims where they can build a Mosque.

Why is it insensitive? Lots of Muslims died in the attack it wasn’t a Muslim attack, it was a terrorist attack.[/quote]

I’m beginning to think you are little more than a troll.

I suppose the Rape of Nanking wasn’t a Japanese attack, it was a “military” attack in your view?

The clowns who carried it out were MUSLIMS, who did it IN THE NAME OF ISLAM. Supported by a bunch of other folks who are MUSLIMS, condone such actions, and justify their positions and actions with the KORAN. All of which is part of an international movement of MUSLIMS to attack the WEST, partly for RELIGOUS REASONS.

Dear Lord, you can’t possibly be so stupid as to ask why it would be “insensitive.”

At this pace, my friend, it won’t be too long before folks here start to just ignore your posts. [/quote]

Look you dumb fuck, the Rape of Nanking was an attack by the Japanese nation.

The twin towers attacks were an attack by a group of Muslim Radicals on a group of people in America who were of varying faiths including a large number of Muslims. This is not Islam as a whole against Christianity as a whole.

If you can’t see the difference then you should be the one that people are putting on ignore.

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[quote]Makavali wrote:

[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]Makavali wrote:
By the way, as for the original topic, it is extremely disrespectful to those that lost their lives that day to put up what is effectively a monument to the reasoning for such a barbaric attack.[/quote]

Jeez.

Even he “gets” it.[/quote]

There is nothing to get. It’s a very VERY simple concept and how people rationalize it is beyond me.[/quote]

To react in the way you guys are reacting makes it Christianity against Islam. It makes it easier for Islamic radicals to recruit. You are playing into the hands of the people that you are opposing. I am amazed that you can’t see that.

As has been mentioned by a number of people, the better response is to say, build your mosque, and show that the US truly is a place of enlightened thought and religious freedom.

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:

The whole fucking thread is about whether a group of (mostly) Christians have a right to tell a group of Muslims where they can build a Mosque.

Why is it insensitive? Lots of Muslims died in the attack it wasn’t a Muslim attack, it was a terrorist attack.[/quote]

I’m beginning to think you are little more than a troll.

I suppose the Rape of Nanking wasn’t a Japanese attack, it was a “military” attack in your view?

The clowns who carried it out were MUSLIMS, who did it IN THE NAME OF ISLAM. Supported by a bunch of other folks who are MUSLIMS, condone such actions, and justify their positions and actions with the KORAN. All of which is part of an international movement of MUSLIMS to attack the WEST, partly for RELIGOUS REASONS.

Dear Lord, you can’t possibly be so stupid as to ask why it would be “insensitive.”

At this pace, my friend, it won’t be too long before folks here start to just ignore your posts. [/quote]
People like our friend here get other people killed. He also has no problem attempting to force David Koresh on Christians and make him a “Christian” issue despite the fact that every Christian in history denounces him and NOTHING in Christian doctrine or tradition supports him. He then turns around and refuses to call this a Muslim issue when all the participants were acting accordance with their own scriptures and the example of their own prophet, not to mention barely a relative squeak from the Muslim world unconditionally denouncing the attacks.[/quote]

Bullshit and you know it. The attacks were denounced around the world. Of course it is a Muslim issue, ostracising all Muslims is not the way to make it better though is it?

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[quote]pehelwan wrote:
I am warning Americans that if Muslims get their way by building a mosque, then end of U.S. is very near! Don’t let them near you or your country. Islam will attack you again and again till you submit to it. U.S. is already thinking of leaving Afghanistan. This has already encouraged Muslims that after USSR, they have defeated another super power and Islam’s rule is very near.[/quote]

You are aware there are over 100 mosques in New York and there have been Mosques in New York for over 100 years?

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[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:

[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:

The whole fucking thread is about whether a group of (mostly) Christians have a right to tell a group of Muslims where they can build a Mosque.

Why is it insensitive? Lots of Muslims died in the attack it wasn’t a Muslim attack, it was a terrorist attack.[/quote]

I’m beginning to think you are little more than a troll.

I suppose the Rape of Nanking wasn’t a Japanese attack, it was a “military” attack in your view?

The clowns who carried it out were MUSLIMS, who did it IN THE NAME OF ISLAM. Supported by a bunch of other folks who are MUSLIMS, condone such actions, and justify their positions and actions with the KORAN. All of which is part of an international movement of MUSLIMS to attack the WEST, partly for RELIGOUS REASONS.

Dear Lord, you can’t possibly be so stupid as to ask why it would be “insensitive.”

At this pace, my friend, it won’t be too long before folks here start to just ignore your posts. [/quote]

Look you dumb fuck, the Rape of Nanking was an attack by the Japanese nation.

The twin towers attacks were an attack by a group of Muslim Radicals on a group of people in America who were of varying faiths including a large number of Muslims. This is not Islam as a whole against Christianity as a whole.

If you can’t see the difference then you should be the one that people are putting on ignore. [/quote]
You fail to realize how many Muslims support the terrorist attacks going on in the world. Dude, this is not just “radical Muslims” that are on the same level as “radical Christians”. If you think that, you really do not understand the Koran and the intent that many Muslim people have. Many Muslims agree with the terrorists’ politics, and many agree with their methods (they just don’t carry out those methods themselves).

For those Muslims who say that are in fact, not ‘radical’ or ‘terrorists’… well most of those people that I have met, they are quite Americanized and hardly Muslim.

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[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:

[quote]pehelwan wrote:
I am warning Americans that if Muslims get their way by building a mosque, then end of U.S. is very near! Don’t let them near you or your country. Islam will attack you again and again till you submit to it. U.S. is already thinking of leaving Afghanistan. This has already encouraged Muslims that after USSR, they have defeated another super power and Islam’s rule is very near.[/quote]

You are aware there are over 100 mosques in New York and there have been Mosques in New York for over 100 years?[/quote]
You are aware of nothing meaningful in this area. Where I live there are more Muslims than anywhere else in this country and you’d be hard pressed to find anybody who will denounce the 911 attacks or Bin Laden. Violent jihadist islam is acting in accordance with the authentic tenets of it’s scriptures, prophet and early leaders. Is that ever going to penetrate that cement skull of yours? The 911 attacks and all the other violence we see IS ISLAM, IS ISLAM, IS ISLAM. Knocks on CB’s forehead. knock knock knock, you are in there right?

Again, Koresh is universally disowned by Christians, yet you refuse to believe he wasn’t, but these barbarians are acting in full obedience to centuries old Muslim faith and practice yet you refuse to call them Muslims. I wonder why exactly that is?

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[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
To react in the way you guys are reacting makes it Christianity against Islam. It makes it easier for Islamic radicals to recruit. You are playing into the hands of the people that you are opposing. I am amazed that you can’t see that.

As has been mentioned by a number of people, the better response is to say, build your mosque, and show that the US truly is a place of enlightened thought and religious freedom.[/quote]

It is not and should not be Christianity VS Islam. It’s not hard to see why people would see a Mosque near Ground Zero to be an insult to the people that died.