[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Lixy, are you trying to change the subject again?[/quote]
SOP for her.
I’m just shocked she hasn’t brought up Abu Ghraib…yet.
[quote]lixy wrote:
Makavali wrote:
Gkhan wrote:
Ever stop to think maybe the people who write the crap you read have political agendas themselves?
No way, that’s like… impossible!
Watch this.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6737097743434902428
And tell me if you have a single documented instance of the BBC’s management doing anything remotely similar.[/quote]
So, Murdoch is the great satan, but you have no problems citing amnesty.org, or using an advertising piece for Outfoxed
I never tire of seeing you get your ass handed to you.
The only down side is, I am afraid for the safety of the teen aged girls in Sweden after one of these ass whippings.
[quote]lixy wrote:
Neuromancer wrote:
Emancipate yourself from mental slavery,Lixy… (with apologies to Bob).
Just do a search on ‘Honour Killings’ on either site and that should clear the question riiiight up.
How long shall they kill our prophets, while we stand aside and look?
Anyway, from the horse’s mouth: “Honor crimes are not specific to any religion, nor are they limited to any one region of the world.”
http://hrw.org/english/docs/2001/04/06/global268.htm
And you know something is amiss when even Wahabis like the Pakistanis say the following: “The government of Pakistan vigorously condemns the practice of so-called honour killings. Such acts do not find a place in our religion or law.”
http://www.amnesty.org/en/library/asset/ASA33/010/2002/en/dom-ASA330102002en.html
So what on earth do these crimes have to do with Islam?[/quote]
So you are in all honesty proposing that honor killings are not a PREDOMINANTLY Islamic occurrence?
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Lixy, are you trying to change the subject again?[/quote]
I’d like to change it as well. Maybe we can get lixy to comment on the immigrant(read: Muslim) rape wave in Sweden. I’m sure he’ll tell us that has nothing to do with Islam as well, even though Mohammed chopped the heads off of 600-700 male Jews from the Banu Quraizah and gave their women to his men as spoils afterwards.
[quote]Neuromancer wrote:
lixy wrote:
Neuromancer wrote:
Emancipate yourself from mental slavery,Lixy… (with apologies to Bob).
Just do a search on ‘Honour Killings’ on either site and that should clear the question riiiight up.
How long shall they kill our prophets, while we stand aside and look?
Anyway, from the horse’s mouth: “Honor crimes are not specific to any religion, nor are they limited to any one region of the world.”
http://hrw.org/english/docs/2001/04/06/global268.htm
And you know something is amiss when even Wahabis like the Pakistanis say the following: “The government of Pakistan vigorously condemns the practice of so-called honour killings. Such acts do not find a place in our religion or law.”
http://www.amnesty.org/en/library/asset/ASA33/010/2002/en/dom-ASA330102002en.html
So what on earth do these crimes have to do with Islam?
So you are in all honesty proposing that honor killings are not a PREDOMINANTLY Islamic occurrence? [/quote]
No. I wouldn’t know either way. Even if you record, gather and analyze the relation between the perpetrator and the victim, the stated reason on the police report, you’d still need the declared religion of the perpetrator to come to any conclusion.
I see it as cold blooded murder. Nothing more, nothing less. The press, of course, delights in reporting sensational stories. And it appears that we are emotionally wired to think of infanticide as a somehow more outrageous thing than fratricide. Fratricide is similarly more barbaric than killing your cousin. Killing your cousin is viewed as more immoral than killing your neighbour, and so on and so forth. To me, it’s all the same as human life is sacred in my eyes.
What I proposed, is that the Quran doesn’t say to kill your daughter as Pookie suggested.
I also challenged the idea that infanticides were “extremely rare” in Christian and Jewish communities relative to Muslim communities. Homicide rates in majority-Muslim places tend to be quite low, and knowing most homicides occur within the person’s close circle, an interpolation seemed appropriate. But the discussion seemed to turn from infanticide to these so-called honor killings.
Don’t get me wrong. Women have it bad in many Islamic countries. I also see trouble emerge from some people’s fast transition from tribal societies to modern urban jungle (think oversexed, bling-bling driven, etc.) But those are cultural aspects rooted in patriarchy. Suggesting that it has something to do with Islam is completely retarded.
What you call honor killing is murder, plain and simple. It should be (and as far as I know, is) treated as such. The issue isn’t there; it’s not and never will be a constructive approach to make such distinctions legally or in any other shape. What is needed, is for feminist movements to get to full momentum and change people’s mentalities. Of course, in feudal societies where equality (among men or women alike) isn’t even there on paper, feminism isn’t exactly a priority.
I hope I made my position clear.
[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
The only down side is, I am afraid for the safety of the teen aged girls in Sweden after one of these ass whippings.
So am I:
http://fjordman.blogspot.com/2005/12/immigrant-rape-wave-in-sweden.html[/quote]
Excerpt:
An Islamic Mufti in Copenhagen sparked a political outcry after publicly declaring that women who refuse to wear headscarves are “asking for rape.” Apparently, he’s not the only one thinking this way. “It is not as wrong raping a Swedish girl as raping an Arab girl,” says Hamid.
Nope, nothing wrong with that religion.
[quote]pookie wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
The only down side is, I am afraid for the safety of the teen aged girls in Sweden after one of these ass whippings.
So am I:
http://fjordman.blogspot.com/2005/12/immigrant-rape-wave-in-sweden.html
Excerpt:
An Islamic Mufti in Copenhagen sparked a political outcry after publicly declaring that women who refuse to wear headscarves are “asking for rape.” Apparently, he’s not the only one thinking this way. “It is not as wrong raping a Swedish girl as raping an Arab girl,” says Hamid.
Nope, nothing wrong with that religion.
[/quote]
Looks like lixy is in the rapist demographic there:
[quote]rainjack wrote:
The only down side is, I am afraid for the safety of the teen aged girls in Sweden after one of these ass whippings.
[/quote]
You mean the ones getting away with stealing lixysnot’s food? They’re fine.
Lixy, please tell me this is a forged interview.
[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
Lixy, please tell me this is a forged interview. [/quote]
What interview?
[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
Lixy, please tell me this is a forged interview. [/quote]
Of course it’s not. A mufti in Australia said the same exact thing. That’s the Moslem mindset.
[quote]pookie wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
The only down side is, I am afraid for the safety of the teen aged girls in Sweden after one of these ass whippings.
So am I:
http://fjordman.blogspot.com/2005/12/immigrant-rape-wave-in-sweden.html
Excerpt:
An Islamic Mufti in Copenhagen sparked a political outcry after publicly declaring that women who refuse to wear headscarves are “asking for rape.” Apparently, he’s not the only one thinking this way. “It is not as wrong raping a Swedish girl as raping an Arab girl,” says Hamid.
Nope, nothing wrong with that religion.
[/quote]
UN-FUCKING-BELIEVABLE…I still get surprised by these fucking imbeciles. Religion of peace my ass…It’s more a religion of piece of unwilling ass for fun.
PAKISTAN: Five women buried alive, allegedly by the brother of a minister
It’s a good thing that as Lixy cited “there is no compulsion” in islam. Otherwise, there would be real problems for gals that attempt to exercise choices in life.
As for the Afghan women jailed for being victims of rape…Islamists do have an interesting way of “protecting” their women.
[quote]pat wrote:
UN-FUCKING-BELIEVABLE…I still get surprised by these fucking imbeciles. Religion of peace my ass…It’s more a religion of piece of unwilling ass for fun.
[/quote]
And after all the protest from lixy saying how Islam is nothing like that, we get this from a mufti. An Islamic scholar.
From a link in the linked article:
“As a mufti, a jurist who interprets Islamic law, Shahi Mehdi is in a special position of authority as a Muslim scholar. Mehdi is currently affiliated with the Islamic Cultural Center in Copenhagen”
That Mehdi guy (Mehdi-ocre?) is the one who said that women who don’t cover their head are asking for rape, and that raping a foreigner is much less serious than raping an arab.
So, who to believe? Oh, I know, let’s compare credentials to see who seems to be the authoritative figure here:
Shahi Mehdi:
- mufti
- jurist who interprets Islamic law
- “special” position of authority as a muslim scholar
- Affiliated with the Islamic Cultural Center in Copenhagen (AKA Rapes-R-Us)
Lixy:
- NOT a mufti
- NOT a jurist
- NO special position of authority vs. Islam
- NOT affiliated in any way with any Islamic authority.
Damn, hard choice isn’t it?
[quote]pookie wrote:
pat wrote:
UN-FUCKING-BELIEVABLE…I still get surprised by these fucking imbeciles. Religion of peace my ass…It’s more a religion of piece of unwilling ass for fun.
And after all the protest from lixy saying how Islam is nothing like that, we get this from a mufti. An Islamic scholar.
From a link in the linked article:
“As a mufti, a jurist who interprets Islamic law, Shahi Mehdi is in a special position of authority as a Muslim scholar. Mehdi is currently affiliated with the Islamic Cultural Center in Copenhagen”
That Mehdi guy (Mehdi-ocre?) is the one who said that women who don’t cover their head are asking for rape, and that raping a foreigner is much less serious than raping an arab.
So, who to believe? Oh, I know, let’s compare credentials to see who seems to be the authoritative figure here:
Shahi Mehdi:
- mufti
- jurist who interprets Islamic law
- “special” position of authority as a muslim scholar
- Affiliated with the Islamic Cultural Center in Copenhagen (AKA Rapes-R-Us)
Lixy:
- NOT a mufti
- NOT a jurist
- NO special position of authority vs. Islam
- NOT affiliated in any way with any Islamic authority.
Damn, hard choice isn’t it?
[/quote]
But lixy would have us believe that none of those credentials matter. The Muslims are all out there peacefully interpreting their religion for themselves, you see.
The women being put in jail for rape, btw, are there for not bringing three male witnesses against their rapist. That was a standard that came straight from the prophet’s mouth.
[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
The Muslims are all out there peacefully interpreting their religion for themselves, you see.[/quote]
Not all.
Schwartz,
You probably meant the interview in the blog PRCalDude linked to. The blog claims to cite a newspaper (Dagens Nyheter, DN) article from 2000 linking to a Danish blog. There’s no reason for me to believe that DN forges interviews, but I couldn’t fish the original article off of their website. So I’ll take blogs’ claims with a grain of salt until substantiated.
I found an article where a DN journalist discusses a Ph.D. thesis (by Ylva Brune) with the researcher herself. The premise of the thesis is that the journalist spreads racist propaganda.
http://www.dn.se/DNet/jsp/polopoly.jsp?d=531&a=462464
Ironically, the DN journalist writes in the same article about how the teenagers he interviewed come from Morocco, Turkey and, wait for it…the USA.
It’s also worth noting that the quoted kid spoke of “Arab girls”, which is inconsistent with the inferences the blog draws on two counts: 1) Arab Muslims are severely underrepresented among Swedish immigrants. The bulk of Arabs are Christian in Sweden 2) Turks wouldn’t racially discriminate against themselves.
Bottomline, I don’t think Dagens Nyheter forges interviews. I quite value their journalistic ethics. However, the quoted article in those blogs is nowhere to be found in the newspaper’s archives.
Hoping this helps.