Who Would Win: Grizzly vs Rhino

Cape buffalos are known as the black death, pretty hardcore. They are listed as the most dangerous game in Africa, or at least the top 5, can’t remember off the top of my head. Interesting that a moo moo cow is more dangerous than a lion, or a hormonally charged bull elephant. I’ll post the link I read yesterday - 10 deadliest animals. Enjoy.

I don’t deny that Spinosaurus had a size advantage, the forelimbs as opposed to the tiny Rex arms gave it more grippability, and the large back sail allowed it to reach a satisfactory temperature earlier in the morning, but T Rex still holds the title for being around at the end of the dinosaur’s reign.

I can only think that the separation of continents is what kept the two from interacting extensively, and as with most cases with apex predators, its of greater benefit to put your energies towards a meal than squabbling with other predators, unless its for the sake of territory, food, or breeding.

In before they discover Spinosaurus was strictly an aquatic predator and fed off of krill.

Saifu Ants win… Even the fucking honey badgers run when these guys move.

#1 on the above list-

"Siafu ants are also called driver ants, safari ants, and army ants. They live primarily in central and east Africa, both in jungle and on savanna. They have no eyes. They communicate and navigate by smelling pheromones, and every few years a colony of 50,000,000 will decide to pick up and move in search of more fruitful hunting grounds.

When they move, they form columns on the ground, with the smaller worker ants inside a tunnel formed by the larger soldier or guard ants. The ants average about an inch long, with the winged males the largest ant known at over 2 inches. They have venom and can sting with their abdomens, but it is insufficient to kill large animals. Instead, they rely on their bite. They have mandibles strong enough to cut through rhinoceros hide. And when the colony relocates, every animal in the entire area of many square miles, including the honey badger, leaves and may not return for weeks.

If one ant attacked you, you could stomp it or pick it off you. But ants don?t play fair. If you come within 25 meters of a colony on the move in column formation, they will smell you and come running to defend themselves. The bite is severely painful and once blood is drawn, your only defense is to run for your life. Attacking the ants is useless. A flamethrower might work but the ants do not know the use of fear and will either run across fiery ground to get at you, or wait until the fire dies away.

They do not run fast and are easy to avoid, provided you are able to get away. They are able to overpower any known animal, having brought down sick or injured elephants that could not escape. They have killed many people over the centuries, always infants or the injured, those who are unable to run. Once they are upon you, there is no easy way to get them off. Other ants will let go if you submerge in water. Siafu ants will hold their breath and bite for 3 minutes under water. A colony can strip an elephant to the bone in a month, and during that time nothing else except bacteria can approach the carcass. Vultures land on it and immediately fly away kicking ants off their feet.

They are used as natural stitches by the indigenous peoples. A single ant is picked up and allowed to bite on either side of a wound, and then the body is pinched off, leaving the head with jaws locked shut. They have venomous stings but hardly ever use them. They kill prey such as grasshoppers and small rodents simply by biting them to death. What they do is overwhelm any animal they can find and bite until the animal is incapacitated by agony. Smaller animals like insects are cut to pieces. The ants will enter the mouth of a larger animal and invade the lungs, biting the whole way, causing death by asphyxia."

And a rhino would still end a bear… Think about it, in the old west cowboys roped bears with lariats since it was surer than a lot of guns (look up Charles Russell and his painting something like “Swift Ropes and Fast Horses”) I just googled roping a rhino and didn’t get much. Plus, there can’t be a horse on the planet you could tie off too that would hold back a damn rhino.

x2 on throwing in some Cape Buffalo “Black Death” and misc. Wild Boar.

It should be like an old school WWF Battle Royale where last person/animal left standing wins. And said participants need to be motivated like: humans: (death row inmates), Grizzlies (protecting their young), Lions (females present), other animals (wounded and pissed off), etc.

“roping a rhino” my mind went right into the gutter. Perhaps check out urbandictionary.com you may just find your answer. If not, feel free to provide an appropriate definition! :smiley:

[quote]Brett620 wrote:
x2 on throwing in some Cape Buffalo “Black Death” and misc. Wild Boar.

It should be like an old school WWF Battle Royale where last person/animal left standing wins. And said participants need to be motivated like: humans: (death row inmates), Grizzlies (protecting their young), Lions (females present), other animals (wounded and pissed off), etc.[/quote]
Anybody here ever been to the Angola Prison Rodeo?

This post reminded me of it lol.

[quote]Bauber wrote:
My question is have either of them dirty bulked and are they natural?[/quote]

The bear does a dirty bulk and then does some long term fasting through hibernation in the winter for his cut.

[quote]USMCpoolee wrote:

Rhino vs a cape buffalo. I think a rhino would tear a bear to bits just with the size difference. A toss of its head could tear a bears shoulder right out… Like when a horse flicks his head suddenly and tosses and unaware person around them, imagine that times 10[/quote]

And the Bear is not going to just stand in front of the horn at hope for the best. The rhino only wins if the fight in a hallway.

Chimp VS Pit Bull…yeah Chimp vs 2 Pit Bulls

[quote]USMCpoolee wrote:
And a rhino would still end a bear… Think about it, in the old west cowboys roped bears with lariats since it was surer than a lot of guns (look up Charles Russell and his painting something like “Swift Ropes and Fast Horses”) I just googled roping a rhino and didn’t get much. Plus, there can’t be a horse on the planet you could tie off too that would hold back a damn rhino.[/quote]

I was at the Detroit zoo this summer and spent quite a bit of time at the rhino enclosure even though they really don’t do much of anything. I don’t think people really get just how massive they are, the brown and polar bears were really small in comparison.

[quote]four60 wrote:
Chimp VS Pit Bull…yeah Chimp vs 2 Pit Bulls[/quote]

Chimp

[quote]Testy1 wrote:

[quote]four60 wrote:
Chimp VS Pit Bull…yeah Chimp vs 2 Pit Bulls[/quote]

Chimp[/quote]

Damn right :smiley:

[quote]Testy1 wrote:

[quote]USMCpoolee wrote:
And a rhino would still end a bear… Think about it, in the old west cowboys roped bears with lariats since it was surer than a lot of guns (look up Charles Russell and his painting something like “Swift Ropes and Fast Horses”) I just googled roping a rhino and didn’t get much. Plus, there can’t be a horse on the planet you could tie off too that would hold back a damn rhino.[/quote]

I was at the Detroit zoo this summer and spent quite a bit of time at the rhino enclosure even though they really don’t do much of anything. I don’t think people really get just how massive they are, the brown and polar bears were really small in comparison.
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Yea thats kind of my thought. I have never seen a rhino but I work with horses every day and some draft horses weigh over 2000 lbs and are enormous. I can’t imagine how large a rhino is.

Four60, I’m still taking the rhino man. It doesn’t need to hit the bear with its horn or head to win. It just needs to hit the bear and then stomp on it.

[quote]USMCpoolee wrote:

[quote]Testy1 wrote:

[quote]USMCpoolee wrote:
And a rhino would still end a bear… Think about it, in the old west cowboys roped bears with lariats since it was surer than a lot of guns (look up Charles Russell and his painting something like “Swift Ropes and Fast Horses”) I just googled roping a rhino and didn’t get much. Plus, there can’t be a horse on the planet you could tie off too that would hold back a damn rhino.[/quote]

I was at the Detroit zoo this summer and spent quite a bit of time at the rhino enclosure even though they really don’t do much of anything. I don’t think people really get just how massive they are, the brown and polar bears were really small in comparison.
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Yea thats kind of my thought. I have never seen a rhino but I work with horses every day and some draft horses weigh over 2000 lbs and are enormous. I can’t imagine how large a rhino is.

Four60, I’m still taking the rhino man. It doesn’t need to hit the bear with its horn or head to win. It just needs to hit the bear and then stomp on it. [/quote]

Not for a second am I saying the Bear is stronger. Just Way more agile and balanced. I can not even imagine a set up that the Rhino could place a Kodiak Bear in that the bear could not easily dodge. The rhino is a one hit wonder. Powerful yes but would be Bear Humped

[quote]four60 wrote:

[quote]USMCpoolee wrote:

[quote]Testy1 wrote:

[quote]USMCpoolee wrote:
And a rhino would still end a bear… Think about it, in the old west cowboys roped bears with lariats since it was surer than a lot of guns (look up Charles Russell and his painting something like “Swift Ropes and Fast Horses”) I just googled roping a rhino and didn’t get much. Plus, there can’t be a horse on the planet you could tie off too that would hold back a damn rhino.[/quote]

I was at the Detroit zoo this summer and spent quite a bit of time at the rhino enclosure even though they really don’t do much of anything. I don’t think people really get just how massive they are, the brown and polar bears were really small in comparison.
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Yea thats kind of my thought. I have never seen a rhino but I work with horses every day and some draft horses weigh over 2000 lbs and are enormous. I can’t imagine how large a rhino is.

Four60, I’m still taking the rhino man. It doesn’t need to hit the bear with its horn or head to win. It just needs to hit the bear and then stomp on it. [/quote]

Not for a second am I saying the Bear is stronger. Just Way more agile and balanced. I can not even imagine a set up that the Rhino could place a Kodiak Bear in that the bear could not easily dodge. The rhino is a one hit wonder. Powerful yes but would be Bear Humped
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Bears first instinct would be to rear up to intimidate the Rhino. Horn to the gut then trampled. Well second instinct really, first would be to say fuck this and run.

[quote]four60 wrote:
Not for a second am I saying the Bear is stronger. Just Way more agile and balanced. I can not even imagine a set up that the Rhino could place a Kodiak Bear in that the bear could not easily dodge. The rhino is a one hit wonder. Powerful yes but would be Bear Humped
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“Agile” and “balanced” are not two of a bear’s most abundant qualities. There is no scenario in which the bear would win.

[quote]csulli wrote:

[quote]four60 wrote:
Not for a second am I saying the Bear is stronger. Just Way more agile and balanced. I can not even imagine a set up that the Rhino could place a Kodiak Bear in that the bear could not easily dodge. The rhino is a one hit wonder. Powerful yes but would be Bear Humped
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“Agile” and “balanced” are not two of a bear’s most abundant qualities. There is no scenario in which the bear would win.[/quote]

I have to agree with this. I just think there is no way to overcome a 4x size advantage, especially without many other advantages to the bears favour.

And Testy made a good point about instinct - these animals aren’t necessarily going to do the best thing for the situation, they are going to do what they are hardwired to do. Both are hardwired to charge, and if that happens then there is no contest. If the bear were to employ intelligent tactics and keep sort of side-stepping the rhino and tiring it out and wearing it down with strikes then that would be one thing, but I don’t see it going like that. I see the bear rearing up, the rhino charging and the bears internal organs being turned to jelly.

Not that I have any experience to back this hypothesis up haha.

[quote]four60 wrote:
Chimp VS Pit Bull…yeah Chimp vs 2 Pit Bulls[/quote]

There ya go. I think a shady promoter could assemble a good underground PPV card that I would purchase with this as a headliner. Think of the promoter being like a Ron Pearlman type. Like exactly the character in that giant fighting robots vs. monsters movie this summer.

Can the chimp have a weapon? Like a club?

There would have to be an undercard if guys were going to drop $49.99 on the fight…

And who would announce it?
Can’t be anyone? Has to be a guy who knows fighting, and another guy who knows animals.

[quote]Brett620 wrote:

[quote]four60 wrote:
Chimp VS Pit Bull…yeah Chimp vs 2 Pit Bulls[/quote]

There ya go. I think a shady promoter could assemble a good underground PPV card that I would purchase with this as a headliner. Think of the promoter being like a Ron Pearlman type. Like exactly the character in that giant fighting robots vs. monsters movie this summer.

Can the chimp have a weapon? Like a club?

There would have to be an undercard if guys were going to drop $49.99 on the fight…

And who would announce it?
Can’t be anyone? Has to be a guy who knows fighting, and another guy who knows animals.
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Joe Rogan and Jack Hannah

To put the size difference into context the smallest division in the UFC is the flyweight division - the champion (Demetrious Johnson) is 5’3" and probably walks around at around 140lbs. Probably the smallest a human can be while still being tough and dangerous.

Some of the bigger heavyweights walk around at 280lbs. I think that size difference is completely insurmountable for the smaller guy - I don’t see how DJ could beat even the lowest ranked 280lb heavyweight - but it is only a two-fold difference. A four-fold is ridiculous.

Obviously this comparison isn’t ideal, because I’m comparing and inter-species fight with one between two humans, but I just don’t see how the bear has the extra tools to overcome the enormous size difference.

I’m pretty sure I’m just rambling irrelevant nonsense now, feel free to ignore. I just thought it provided some perspective.