Who Would Win: Grizzly vs Rhino

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There is some pretty good shit in here, better than I had hoped for, thanks for all the responses.

A few clarifications.

I tried to take the largest size of anything I could find but there is significant debate and varied information about bear weight. 2500 was the most I found but actually a really big bear is anything over 1000 lbs.

2 male lions do not equal the weight of a bear (certainly not at 2500 lbs), male lions average about 400 lbs but can get up to 600 lbs. Tigers can get up to 900 lbs and of course the uber awesome liger can hit 1200 lbs.

Male lions do absolutely work together particularly if they are brothers. Very often 2-4 males will run a pack, they can defend it better. They usually don’t hunt with the females but they will sometimes with big kills and the entire pride works together. They are the only cats that work together like that

Random fact about the intelligence/awareness of lions. They did a study where they played tape recorded roars of male lions in a lion’s territory. If it was just 1 lion entering a pride run by 3-4 lions, the lions would show up very quickly and investigate (b/c they knew they would kick its ass). If it was 3-4 lions entering a pride, it would take them much longer to show up (b/c it would be a tougher fight). If they played 3-4 lions entering a pride run by just one dude, sometimes he would never show up at all (b/c it knew it would gets its ass handed to it).

Triceratops can weight 26000 lbs and would destroy either a bear or rhino or likely both.

However the idea of a Hippo vs a Rhino is a really good battle as well, hippos with their giant teeth and mouths vs the Rhino with better armoured skin and their huge horn and a better charge ability. If you like the bears chances you can play with all of those. Hippos do scare crocs for what it is worth

I always thought there were prehistoric giant bears but a quick search shows that the 2 bears in that period, the Giant Short Faced bear was just 2000 lbs and the Cave Bear was about the same size. The cave bear was also a vegetarian and naturally a pussy because of it.

Loved the rock paper scissors analogy as well as the brain scramble plan

Some drug dealer had a lion, tiger, and a bear for a pet and the 3 animals became best friends and got very agitated when separated (FB told me this)

Tony Montana’s tiger didn’t kill one fucking person when his house was invaded by that army at the end of the movie, thus proving that tigers actually make poor guard pets

Thanks for all the posts

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Don’t forget Mike Tyson’s tiger.

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[quote]Tim Henriques wrote:

Tony Montana’s tiger didn’t kill one fucking person when his house was invaded by that army at the end of the movie, thus proving that tigers actually make poor guard pets

Thanks for all the posts[/quote]

Would you take the chance on breaking in someone’s house if they had a tiger?

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[quote]Tim Henriques wrote:

Triceratops can weight 26000 lbs and would destroy either a bear or rhino or likely both.[/quote]

I like how this got thrown in there, like it needed to be reinforced.

Next we’re going to discuss the ability of a spinosaurus to kill a wildebeest…

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[quote]bdocksaints75 wrote:

[quote]Tim Henriques wrote:

Tony Montana’s tiger didn’t kill one fucking person when his house was invaded by that army at the end of the movie, thus proving that tigers actually make poor guard pets

Thanks for all the posts[/quote]

Would you take the chance on breaking in someone’s house if they had a tiger?[/quote]

Hell No

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[quote]Silyak wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]Silyak wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]Testy1 wrote:

[quote]bdocksaints75 wrote:

[quote]Testy1 wrote:

[quote]bdocksaints75 wrote:
I just don’t think the Rhino would get lucky enough to use its horn or get any good hits on the bear. The grizzly would wound the rhino and eventually wear it down and kill it.[/quote]

they had been known to charge and derail trains. Something 9000 pounds traveling at 30 mph doesn’t need a direct hit to mess you up. Brown bears are very powerful but there is just too big a disparity in size to overcome.

The only thing that will mess with a rhino in africa is an elephant. Not a pride of lions, not crocs, not even hippos which kill more people than any other animal there. Do you think a brown bear can take on a pride of lions? [/quote]
I think a bear would take a couple with it.[/quote]

Two male lions would outweigh the bear and have every tool he has plus cat reflexes.[/quote]

Ya, but male lions won’t work together I don’t think. 4-5 females will though + a male, so…[/quote]

Actually, small groups of male lions (2-3),typically brothers, called coalitions have been known to work together. Apparently sex is better than no sex, even if you have to share it with your brother.

I think it really becomes a question of why. If some dire rhino did attack a pride of say 10 lions, 2 males and 8 females, my money would be on the lions (Or alternately if the lions got hungry enough to attack a rhino). But the lions would probably take casualties and the rhino would rot before they could eat it all. Why would they do that when they can take down an antelope with a relatively minor risk of injury and still have enough to eat so that everyone is full? And Rhinos are herbivores so they aren’t going to attack unless the Lions threaten. [/quote]

You think an antelope will feed 10 lions?[/quote]
Depends on the antelope, obviously, but adult antelope can weigh up to 300lbs. An adult female lion needs about 5kg of meat a day and a male lion eats about 7kg of meat a day. As far as pride size, a typical pride of lions is 5-6 females and 1-2 males, but some prides have up to 30 individuals. All of this courtesy of wikipedia.

As far as lions vs. grizzlies, one thing to consider is that lions (and cats in general) have terrible conditioning. Dogs and bears have much better endurance. [/quote]

I thought an antelope was like 80 pounds? Maybe I’m thinking of another animal. A Gazelle maybe.

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[quote]red04 wrote:

[quote]Tim Henriques wrote:

Triceratops can weight 26000 lbs and would destroy either a bear or rhino or likely both.[/quote]

I like how this got thrown in there, like it needed to be reinforced.

Next we’re going to discuss the ability of a spinosaurus to kill a wildebeest…[/quote]

Pah, the real discussion point is T Rex vs Spino.

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]Silyak wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]Silyak wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]Testy1 wrote:

[quote]bdocksaints75 wrote:

[quote]Testy1 wrote:

[quote]bdocksaints75 wrote:
I just don’t think the Rhino would get lucky enough to use its horn or get any good hits on the bear. The grizzly would wound the rhino and eventually wear it down and kill it.[/quote]

they had been known to charge and derail trains. Something 9000 pounds traveling at 30 mph doesn’t need a direct hit to mess you up. Brown bears are very powerful but there is just too big a disparity in size to overcome.

The only thing that will mess with a rhino in africa is an elephant. Not a pride of lions, not crocs, not even hippos which kill more people than any other animal there. Do you think a brown bear can take on a pride of lions? [/quote]
I think a bear would take a couple with it.[/quote]

Two male lions would outweigh the bear and have every tool he has plus cat reflexes.[/quote]

Ya, but male lions won’t work together I don’t think. 4-5 females will though + a male, so…[/quote]

Actually, small groups of male lions (2-3),typically brothers, called coalitions have been known to work together. Apparently sex is better than no sex, even if you have to share it with your brother.

I think it really becomes a question of why. If some dire rhino did attack a pride of say 10 lions, 2 males and 8 females, my money would be on the lions (Or alternately if the lions got hungry enough to attack a rhino). But the lions would probably take casualties and the rhino would rot before they could eat it all. Why would they do that when they can take down an antelope with a relatively minor risk of injury and still have enough to eat so that everyone is full? And Rhinos are herbivores so they aren’t going to attack unless the Lions threaten. [/quote]

You think an antelope will feed 10 lions?[/quote]
Depends on the antelope, obviously, but adult antelope can weigh up to 300lbs. An adult female lion needs about 5kg of meat a day and a male lion eats about 7kg of meat a day. As far as pride size, a typical pride of lions is 5-6 females and 1-2 males, but some prides have up to 30 individuals. All of this courtesy of wikipedia.

As far as lions vs. grizzlies, one thing to consider is that lions (and cats in general) have terrible conditioning. Dogs and bears have much better endurance. [/quote]

I thought an antelope was like 80 pounds? Maybe I’m thinking of another animal. A Gazelle maybe. [/quote]
There are lots of different kinds of antelope. Some are small at around 80lbs. Lions go for the larger ones, probably because you are right that 80lbs just isn’t enough when probably only half of it is meat to begin with.

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]Silyak wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]Silyak wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]Testy1 wrote:

[quote]bdocksaints75 wrote:

[quote]Testy1 wrote:

[quote]bdocksaints75 wrote:
I just don’t think the Rhino would get lucky enough to use its horn or get any good hits on the bear. The grizzly would wound the rhino and eventually wear it down and kill it.[/quote]

they had been known to charge and derail trains. Something 9000 pounds traveling at 30 mph doesn’t need a direct hit to mess you up. Brown bears are very powerful but there is just too big a disparity in size to overcome.

The only thing that will mess with a rhino in africa is an elephant. Not a pride of lions, not crocs, not even hippos which kill more people than any other animal there. Do you think a brown bear can take on a pride of lions? [/quote]
I think a bear would take a couple with it.[/quote]

Two male lions would outweigh the bear and have every tool he has plus cat reflexes.[/quote]

Ya, but male lions won’t work together I don’t think. 4-5 females will though + a male, so…[/quote]

Actually, small groups of male lions (2-3),typically brothers, called coalitions have been known to work together. Apparently sex is better than no sex, even if you have to share it with your brother.

I think it really becomes a question of why. If some dire rhino did attack a pride of say 10 lions, 2 males and 8 females, my money would be on the lions (Or alternately if the lions got hungry enough to attack a rhino). But the lions would probably take casualties and the rhino would rot before they could eat it all. Why would they do that when they can take down an antelope with a relatively minor risk of injury and still have enough to eat so that everyone is full? And Rhinos are herbivores so they aren’t going to attack unless the Lions threaten. [/quote]

You think an antelope will feed 10 lions?[/quote]
Depends on the antelope, obviously, but adult antelope can weigh up to 300lbs. An adult female lion needs about 5kg of meat a day and a male lion eats about 7kg of meat a day. As far as pride size, a typical pride of lions is 5-6 females and 1-2 males, but some prides have up to 30 individuals. All of this courtesy of wikipedia.

As far as lions vs. grizzlies, one thing to consider is that lions (and cats in general) have terrible conditioning. Dogs and bears have much better endurance. [/quote]

I thought an antelope was like 80 pounds? Maybe I’m thinking of another animal. A Gazelle maybe. [/quote]

Antelope is a large family, including Gazelle, ranging from the tiny 8 lb dik-dik to the 2,200 lb Giant eland.

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Well look at that, you learn something new every day!

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[quote]RATTLEHEAD wrote:

[quote]red04 wrote:

[quote]Tim Henriques wrote:

Triceratops can weight 26000 lbs and would destroy either a bear or rhino or likely both.[/quote]

I like how this got thrown in there, like it needed to be reinforced.

Next we’re going to discuss the ability of a spinosaurus to kill a wildebeest…[/quote]

Pah, the real discussion point is T Rex vs Spino.[/quote]
Always on team Rex.

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[quote]Testy1 wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]Silyak wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]Silyak wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]Testy1 wrote:

[quote]bdocksaints75 wrote:

[quote]Testy1 wrote:

[quote]bdocksaints75 wrote:
I just don’t think the Rhino would get lucky enough to use its horn or get any good hits on the bear. The grizzly would wound the rhino and eventually wear it down and kill it.[/quote]

they had been known to charge and derail trains. Something 9000 pounds traveling at 30 mph doesn’t need a direct hit to mess you up. Brown bears are very powerful but there is just too big a disparity in size to overcome.

The only thing that will mess with a rhino in africa is an elephant. Not a pride of lions, not crocs, not even hippos which kill more people than any other animal there. Do you think a brown bear can take on a pride of lions? [/quote]
I think a bear would take a couple with it.[/quote]

Two male lions would outweigh the bear and have every tool he has plus cat reflexes.[/quote]

Ya, but male lions won’t work together I don’t think. 4-5 females will though + a male, so…[/quote]

Actually, small groups of male lions (2-3),typically brothers, called coalitions have been known to work together. Apparently sex is better than no sex, even if you have to share it with your brother.

I think it really becomes a question of why. If some dire rhino did attack a pride of say 10 lions, 2 males and 8 females, my money would be on the lions (Or alternately if the lions got hungry enough to attack a rhino). But the lions would probably take casualties and the rhino would rot before they could eat it all. Why would they do that when they can take down an antelope with a relatively minor risk of injury and still have enough to eat so that everyone is full? And Rhinos are herbivores so they aren’t going to attack unless the Lions threaten. [/quote]

You think an antelope will feed 10 lions?[/quote]
Depends on the antelope, obviously, but adult antelope can weigh up to 300lbs. An adult female lion needs about 5kg of meat a day and a male lion eats about 7kg of meat a day. As far as pride size, a typical pride of lions is 5-6 females and 1-2 males, but some prides have up to 30 individuals. All of this courtesy of wikipedia.

As far as lions vs. grizzlies, one thing to consider is that lions (and cats in general) have terrible conditioning. Dogs and bears have much better endurance. [/quote]

I thought an antelope was like 80 pounds? Maybe I’m thinking of another animal. A Gazelle maybe. [/quote]

Antelope is a large family, including Gazelle, ranging from the tiny 8 lb dik-dik to the 2,200 lb Giant eland.
[/quote]

My initial thought was that having an 8 pound dik-dik would be cool but I think it would actually make life more difficult.

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[quote]super saiyan wrote:

[quote]Testy1 wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]Silyak wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]Silyak wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]Testy1 wrote:

[quote]bdocksaints75 wrote:

[quote]Testy1 wrote:

[quote]bdocksaints75 wrote:
I just don’t think the Rhino would get lucky enough to use its horn or get any good hits on the bear. The grizzly would wound the rhino and eventually wear it down and kill it.[/quote]

they had been known to charge and derail trains. Something 9000 pounds traveling at 30 mph doesn’t need a direct hit to mess you up. Brown bears are very powerful but there is just too big a disparity in size to overcome.

The only thing that will mess with a rhino in africa is an elephant. Not a pride of lions, not crocs, not even hippos which kill more people than any other animal there. Do you think a brown bear can take on a pride of lions? [/quote]
I think a bear would take a couple with it.[/quote]

Two male lions would outweigh the bear and have every tool he has plus cat reflexes.[/quote]

Ya, but male lions won’t work together I don’t think. 4-5 females will though + a male, so…[/quote]

Actually, small groups of male lions (2-3),typically brothers, called coalitions have been known to work together. Apparently sex is better than no sex, even if you have to share it with your brother.

I think it really becomes a question of why. If some dire rhino did attack a pride of say 10 lions, 2 males and 8 females, my money would be on the lions (Or alternately if the lions got hungry enough to attack a rhino). But the lions would probably take casualties and the rhino would rot before they could eat it all. Why would they do that when they can take down an antelope with a relatively minor risk of injury and still have enough to eat so that everyone is full? And Rhinos are herbivores so they aren’t going to attack unless the Lions threaten. [/quote]

You think an antelope will feed 10 lions?[/quote]
Depends on the antelope, obviously, but adult antelope can weigh up to 300lbs. An adult female lion needs about 5kg of meat a day and a male lion eats about 7kg of meat a day. As far as pride size, a typical pride of lions is 5-6 females and 1-2 males, but some prides have up to 30 individuals. All of this courtesy of wikipedia.

As far as lions vs. grizzlies, one thing to consider is that lions (and cats in general) have terrible conditioning. Dogs and bears have much better endurance. [/quote]

I thought an antelope was like 80 pounds? Maybe I’m thinking of another animal. A Gazelle maybe. [/quote]

Antelope is a large family, including Gazelle, ranging from the tiny 8 lb dik-dik to the 2,200 lb Giant eland.
[/quote]

My initial thought was that having an 8 pound dik-dik would be cool but I think it would actually make life more difficult.[/quote]

It makes using the restroom especially difficult after grip training…

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[quote]RATTLEHEAD wrote:

[quote]red04 wrote:

[quote]Tim Henriques wrote:

Triceratops can weight 26000 lbs and would destroy either a bear or rhino or likely both.[/quote]

I like how this got thrown in there, like it needed to be reinforced.

Next we’re going to discuss the ability of a spinosaurus to kill a wildebeest…[/quote]

Pah, the real discussion point is T Rex vs Spino.[/quote]

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[quote]MAsteve wrote:

[quote]RATTLEHEAD wrote:

[quote]red04 wrote:

[quote]Tim Henriques wrote:

Triceratops can weight 26000 lbs and would destroy either a bear or rhino or likely both.[/quote]

I like how this got thrown in there, like it needed to be reinforced.

Next we’re going to discuss the ability of a spinosaurus to kill a wildebeest…[/quote]

Pah, the real discussion point is T Rex vs Spino.[/quote]

Jurassic Park 3 T-Rex vs Spinosaurus - YouTube [/quote]

That was juvenile T Rex tho…

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[quote]Bauber wrote:

[quote]Silyak wrote:

[quote]csulli wrote:
Rhino wins easily.

Personally though, while I would have no chance against a large grizzly in unarmed combat, I think I would fare better against the rhino.

You see a rhino is so large that you would be able to leap onto its head and hold on to the conveniently placed horn. The rhino has no way of reaching up to dislodge you, so you’re then free to yank out one of its eyes and force your arm into the newly vacant eye socket to scramble its brains with your hand.[/quote]
I bet that the rhino could roll over/buck you off. Basically, humans aren’t very good at the whole unarmed combat thing. [/quote]

One question I have always had is why didn’t a creature evolve (lets assume evolution is correct for sake of argument) that had a human’s cognitive ability and say a Grizzlies or lion’s prowess. Think of a 5,000 pound creature with imposable thumbs, retractable claws, massive maw, and thick skin like a rhino combined with the reasoning and mental capability of a human. Seem like evolution would have spawned something more physically and mentally dominant combining the two aspects into an ultimate species. [/quote]
it did

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[quote]RATTLEHEAD wrote:

[quote]MAsteve wrote:

[quote]RATTLEHEAD wrote:

[quote]red04 wrote:

[quote]Tim Henriques wrote:

Triceratops can weight 26000 lbs and would destroy either a bear or rhino or likely both.[/quote]

I like how this got thrown in there, like it needed to be reinforced.

Next we’re going to discuss the ability of a spinosaurus to kill a wildebeest…[/quote]

Pah, the real discussion point is T Rex vs Spino.[/quote]

Jurassic Park 3 T-Rex vs Spinosaurus - YouTube [/quote]

That was juvenile T Rex tho…
[/quote]

I was pissed with Jurassic Park 3 for the way they depicted that fight. 10 seconds and done… they did a better job with King Kong fighting the 3 T-Rexes. If a fight was that easy between the two, the T-Rex would have been wiped out, where in fact it was one of the dominant carnivores/scavengers as the age of the Dinosaurs came to a close.

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[quote]Quasi-Tech wrote:

[quote]RATTLEHEAD wrote:

[quote]MAsteve wrote:

[quote]RATTLEHEAD wrote:

[quote]red04 wrote:

[quote]Tim Henriques wrote:

Triceratops can weight 26000 lbs and would destroy either a bear or rhino or likely both.[/quote]

I like how this got thrown in there, like it needed to be reinforced.

Next we’re going to discuss the ability of a spinosaurus to kill a wildebeest…[/quote]

Pah, the real discussion point is T Rex vs Spino.[/quote]

Jurassic Park 3 T-Rex vs Spinosaurus - YouTube [/quote]

That was juvenile T Rex tho…
[/quote]

I was pissed with Jurassic Park 3 for the way they depicted that fight. 10 seconds and done… they did a better job with King Kong fighting the 3 T-Rexes. If a fight was that easy between the two, the T-Rex would have been wiped out, where in fact it was one of the dominant carnivores/scavengers as the age of the Dinosaurs came to a close. [/quote]
A chart for comparison.

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fear the REAL killer

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Rhino vs a cape buffalo. I think a rhino would tear a bear to bits just with the size difference. A toss of its head could tear a bears shoulder right out… Like when a horse flicks his head suddenly and tosses and unaware person around them, imagine that times 10