Shit just got realllll
[quote]bdocksaints75 wrote:
[quote]csulli wrote:
[quote]bdocksaints75 wrote:
[quote]csulli wrote:
[quote]super saiyan wrote:
What this means is that I would kill the rhino, the rhino would kill the bear, and the bear would kill me. It’s like rock, paper, scissors applied to interspecies combat.[/quote]
I’m glad somebody gets it.[/quote]
So a bear can’t kill a rhino, but a human can?[/quote]
Exactly.[/quote]
I don’t think a human without any weapons wins against a rhino. [/quote]
Well you’re obviously not familiar with the gauge the eyes and scramble the brains fighting tactics one can employ when facing a creature many times larger than oneself. It also works for great white sharks. Not for elephants though. They’re trunks are much too mobile and dextrous and would pull you down easily. No, I’m afraid against an elephant you’re just fucked.
[quote]csulli wrote:
[quote]bdocksaints75 wrote:
[quote]csulli wrote:
[quote]bdocksaints75 wrote:
[quote]csulli wrote:
[quote]super saiyan wrote:
What this means is that I would kill the rhino, the rhino would kill the bear, and the bear would kill me. It’s like rock, paper, scissors applied to interspecies combat.[/quote]
I’m glad somebody gets it.[/quote]
So a bear can’t kill a rhino, but a human can?[/quote]
Exactly.[/quote]
I don’t think a human without any weapons wins against a rhino. [/quote]
Well you’re obviously not familiar with the gauge the eyes and scramble the brains fighting tactics one can employ when facing a creature many times larger than oneself. It also works for great white sharks. Not for elephants though. They’re trunks are much too mobile and dextrous and would pull you down easily. No, I’m afraid against an elephant you’re just fucked.[/quote]
That’s assuming the rhino lets you close enough or mount him to gauge its eyes out. I just don’t see that happening
[quote]bdocksaints75 wrote:
That’s assuming the rhino lets you close enough or mount him to gauge its eyes out. I just don’t see that happening[/quote]
Well the only alternative is that the rhino runs away, in which case he has fled the field of battle and conceded defeat.
[quote]csulli wrote:
[quote]bdocksaints75 wrote:
That’s assuming the rhino lets you close enough or mount him to gauge its eyes out. I just don’t see that happening[/quote]
Well the only alternative is that the rhino runs away, in which case he has fled the field of battle and conceded defeat.[/quote]
I thought this was to the death
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]Silyak wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]Testy1 wrote:
[quote]bdocksaints75 wrote:
[quote]Testy1 wrote:
[quote]bdocksaints75 wrote:
I just don’t think the Rhino would get lucky enough to use its horn or get any good hits on the bear. The grizzly would wound the rhino and eventually wear it down and kill it.[/quote]
they had been known to charge and derail trains. Something 9000 pounds traveling at 30 mph doesn’t need a direct hit to mess you up. Brown bears are very powerful but there is just too big a disparity in size to overcome.
The only thing that will mess with a rhino in africa is an elephant. Not a pride of lions, not crocs, not even hippos which kill more people than any other animal there. Do you think a brown bear can take on a pride of lions? [/quote]
I think a bear would take a couple with it.[/quote]
Two male lions would outweigh the bear and have every tool he has plus cat reflexes.[/quote]
Ya, but male lions won’t work together I don’t think. 4-5 females will though + a male, so…[/quote]
Actually, small groups of male lions (2-3),typically brothers, called coalitions have been known to work together. Apparently sex is better than no sex, even if you have to share it with your brother.
I think it really becomes a question of why. If some dire rhino did attack a pride of say 10 lions, 2 males and 8 females, my money would be on the lions (Or alternately if the lions got hungry enough to attack a rhino). But the lions would probably take casualties and the rhino would rot before they could eat it all. Why would they do that when they can take down an antelope with a relatively minor risk of injury and still have enough to eat so that everyone is full? And Rhinos are herbivores so they aren’t going to attack unless the Lions threaten. [/quote]
You think an antelope will feed 10 lions?[/quote]
Depends on the antelope, obviously, but adult antelope can weigh up to 300lbs. An adult female lion needs about 5kg of meat a day and a male lion eats about 7kg of meat a day. As far as pride size, a typical pride of lions is 5-6 females and 1-2 males, but some prides have up to 30 individuals. All of this courtesy of wikipedia.
As far as lions vs. grizzlies, one thing to consider is that lions (and cats in general) have terrible conditioning. Dogs and bears have much better endurance.
[quote]bdocksaints75 wrote:
[quote]csulli wrote:
[quote]bdocksaints75 wrote:
[quote]csulli wrote:
[quote]super saiyan wrote:
What this means is that I would kill the rhino, the rhino would kill the bear, and the bear would kill me. It’s like rock, paper, scissors applied to interspecies combat.[/quote]
I’m glad somebody gets it.[/quote]
So a bear can’t kill a rhino, but a human can?[/quote]
Exactly.[/quote]
I don’t think a human without any weapons wins against a rhino. [/quote]
Exactly.
Also has anyone picked an arena for this battle. Since the bear is north American and the Rhino is African. I say a even Battle Ground is a Apple phone store.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]Tim Henriques wrote:
My kids love playing the who would win game with animals or superheroes vs each other. I usually feel like I can give them a pretty good answer but they asked me about a grizzly (brown bear) vs a rhino. For these matches I usually assume the toughest of each species is going against each other, so we have
A) Brown bear, 2500 lbs
vs
B) White Rhino, 10000 lbs
I am not sure the bear could do much damage to the Rhino with its super tough skin and giant size but then again I don’t want to underestimate the bear. What do you think?
PS - I am secretly hoping this turns into another 100 people vs a bear thread[/quote]
I’m not necessarily all that keen on these one-on-one, or even one-on-hundred, threads for the “freshness” of thought you’re looking for.
So how about 100 brown bears vs 100 rhinos with a 1,000 humans?
That’s right, I want to envision a mass battlefield of mighty animal (or human/animal) violence and mayhem. I want tusks and horns and claws and teeth and brawn and fur and blood and guts and roars and bellows and spittle and lymphatic fluid EVERYWHERE.
No spectators either. You either get in the game or head home.[/quote]
But then you have to start considering the use of tactics and strategy. I mean, do you think that 100 rhinos could coordinate a charge attack, because that would be devastating. Say 2 deep, 50 wide. Nothing would survive that. Of course, you may want to keep some rhinos in reserve for cleanup in case the grizzlies try a flanking maneuver. It could get complicated.
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]Testy1 wrote:
[quote]bdocksaints75 wrote:
[quote]Testy1 wrote:
[quote]bdocksaints75 wrote:
I just don’t think the Rhino would get lucky enough to use its horn or get any good hits on the bear. The grizzly would wound the rhino and eventually wear it down and kill it.[/quote]
they had been known to charge and derail trains. Something 9000 pounds traveling at 30 mph doesn’t need a direct hit to mess you up. Brown bears are very powerful but there is just too big a disparity in size to overcome.
The only thing that will mess with a rhino in africa is an elephant. Not a pride of lions, not crocs, not even hippos which kill more people than any other animal there. Do you think a brown bear can take on a pride of lions? [/quote]
I think a bear would take a couple with it.[/quote]
Two male lions would outweigh the bear and have every tool he has plus cat reflexes.[/quote]
Ya, but male lions won’t work together I don’t think. 4-5 females will though + a male, so…[/quote]
Tell that to this guy.
[quote]csulli wrote:
Rhino wins easily.
Personally though, while I would have no chance against a large grizzly in unarmed combat, I think I would fare better against the rhino.
You see a rhino is so large that you would be able to leap onto its head and hold on to the conveniently placed horn. The rhino has no way of reaching up to dislodge you, so you’re then free to yank out one of its eyes and force your arm into the newly vacant eye socket to scramble its brains with your hand.[/quote]
I hope you realize that our ancestors actually did kill both and I highly doubt that this is the way they did it.
[quote]Silyak wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
And Rhinos are herbivores so they aren’t going to attack unless the Lions threaten. [/quote]
Oh yes, they will.
Those myopic motherfuckers are not flight animals.
They prefer a hands on approach.
Horn on?
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]csulli wrote:
Rhino wins easily.
Personally though, while I would have no chance against a large grizzly in unarmed combat, I think I would fare better against the rhino.
You see a rhino is so large that you would be able to leap onto its head and hold on to the conveniently placed horn. The rhino has no way of reaching up to dislodge you, so you’re then free to yank out one of its eyes and force your arm into the newly vacant eye socket to scramble its brains with your hand.[/quote]
I hope you realize that our ancestors actually did kill both and I highly doubt that this is the way they did it. [/quote]
Not mine man. They were from Scotland and Ireland, neither of which had bears or rhinos.
If I were going to fight them though I would form a pact with the bears using my long lost dog who was on a cross country adventure that included making friends with bears after being kicked off of a bridge by an angry biker. Once we teamed up and took down the rhino I would make the bear a nice souffle featuring the amanita bisporigera.
The bear would then take a nice nap and not wake up.
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]csulli wrote:
Rhino wins easily.
Personally though, while I would have no chance against a large grizzly in unarmed combat, I think I would fare better against the rhino.
You see a rhino is so large that you would be able to leap onto its head and hold on to the conveniently placed horn. The rhino has no way of reaching up to dislodge you, so you’re then free to yank out one of its eyes and force your arm into the newly vacant eye socket to scramble its brains with your hand.[/quote]
I hope you realize that our ancestors actually did kill both and I highly doubt that this is the way they did it. [/quote]
Not mine man. They were from Scotland and Ireland, neither of which had bears or rhinos.
If I were going to fight them though I would form a pact with the bears using my long lost dog who was on a cross country adventure that included making friends with bears after being kicked off of a bridge by an angry biker. Once we teamed up and took down the rhino I would make the bear a nice souffle featuring the amanita bisporigera.
The bear would then take a nice nap and not wake up.
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pretty sure they had both.
Cave bears and whooly rhinos.
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Shit just got realllll[/quote]
BRING IT!!!
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]csulli wrote:
Rhino wins easily.
Personally though, while I would have no chance against a large grizzly in unarmed combat, I think I would fare better against the rhino.
You see a rhino is so large that you would be able to leap onto its head and hold on to the conveniently placed horn. The rhino has no way of reaching up to dislodge you, so you’re then free to yank out one of its eyes and force your arm into the newly vacant eye socket to scramble its brains with your hand.[/quote]
I hope you realize that our ancestors actually did kill both and I highly doubt that this is the way they did it. [/quote]
Not mine man. They were from Scotland and Ireland, neither of which had bears or rhinos.
If I were going to fight them though I would form a pact with the bears using my long lost dog who was on a cross country adventure that included making friends with bears after being kicked off of a bridge by an angry biker. Once we teamed up and took down the rhino I would make the bear a nice souffle featuring the amanita bisporigera.
The bear would then take a nice nap and not wake up.
[/quote]
pretty sure they had both.
Cave bears and whooly rhinos. [/quote]
Whooly Rhinos? That sounds like a fly I would tie to catch a nice bass. Thats how I know you are engaging in crazy talk!
Bauber, to answer your question, the answer is lack of necessity. The animals have evolved/adapted to suit their environment. Assuming you believe in evolution, apes evolved into man because they lacked the other “tools” to be proficient as omnivores as compared to their competition. So they developed cognitively and learned to use tools, fire, etc.
Also, I lol’d at “imposable thumbs” I immediately thought of Megan Fox, haha.
I’m glad someone is correcting the misinformation on animals in here. Maybe people have me on ignore because my information seemed completely overlooked.
Male lions that are related will control a pride together. Non-prided males are rogues and nomadic. Male lions will often “band together” to have greater success in hunting, though the grouping is temporary and for mutual benefit only. Females do the hunting, males are there only to breed and keep other males out of their territory - essentially ensure the continuation of their line.
Tigers have been known to take down crocodiles - as have jaguars. There are youtube videos. Cameo is that the crocs are not full grown, and are usually on land - out of their element. I did see a jaguar take out a caiman in the water, but again it was not full grown.
Kodiak is the largest bear in the world save the polar bear. If you want to compare, go big or go home. Polar bear for the win. Put the rhino in Antarctica, and he’ll freeze, polar bear wins by default. Put them in an Apple store with air conditioning, depending on the thermostat setting, bear has the advantage. Tight spaces, can’t build momentum. Rhinos are stupid.
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]csulli wrote:
Rhino wins easily.
Personally though, while I would have no chance against a large grizzly in unarmed combat, I think I would fare better against the rhino.
You see a rhino is so large that you would be able to leap onto its head and hold on to the conveniently placed horn. The rhino has no way of reaching up to dislodge you, so you’re then free to yank out one of its eyes and force your arm into the newly vacant eye socket to scramble its brains with your hand.[/quote]
I hope you realize that our ancestors actually did kill both and I highly doubt that this is the way they did it. [/quote]
They probably used spears or bows and arrows and shit. It would be different with weapons. But without weapons I’m still gonna go with the brain scrambling. For the rhino that is. I have no idea what you could possibly do against a 9 foot tall bear if you were unarmed.
[quote]Quasi-Tech wrote:
Kodiak is the largest bear in the world save the polar bear. If you want to compare, go big or go home. Polar bear for the win…[/quote]
Polar bears are not bigger than Kodiak grizzlies. I believe they may be marginally taller, but they certainly do not weigh more. They are about of equal mass with a slight size edge towards the stockier Kodiak. Polar bears tend to be a bit thinner.
I didn’t know this, but apparently Polar Bears are in fact Brown Bears, but with a slightly different DNA profile. Essentially, they can almost not be considered a species, but a subset of the brown bear. In fact, some brown bear have been found to be more closely related to polar bears than other brown bear - perhaps the link between the two.
Polar bear is still given credit for being the “largest” land predator. But if you want to quantify by weight only then perhaps the Kodiak wins out. The climate is harsher where the Polar Bear lives, and although they are massive, fat is less dense than muscle and they are probably thicker coated, meaning they look bigger but are slightly lower in weight.