Tiger
[quote]Testy1 wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
700 pounds of predator
vs.
2000 pounds of herbivorous
I donno…[/quote]
700 is not the largest but is pretty big. unsubstantiated weight of 2500 for the largest.
the 2000 is for the black lip rhino.
white lip are 4,000 plus, up to 9,900
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Oh really, I didn’t realize the white Rhino was that much larger.
[quote]Testy1 wrote:
[quote]bdocksaints75 wrote:
I just don’t think the Rhino would get lucky enough to use its horn or get any good hits on the bear. The grizzly would wound the rhino and eventually wear it down and kill it.[/quote]
they had been known to charge and derail trains. Something 9000 pounds traveling at 30 mph doesn’t need a direct hit to mess you up. Brown bears are very powerful but there is just too big a disparity in size to overcome.
The only thing that will mess with a rhino in africa is an elephant. Not a pride of lions, not crocs, not even hippos which kill more people than any other animal there. Do you think a brown bear can take on a pride of lions? [/quote]
I think a bear would take a couple with it.
[quote]bdocksaints75 wrote:
[quote]Testy1 wrote:
[quote]bdocksaints75 wrote:
I just don’t think the Rhino would get lucky enough to use its horn or get any good hits on the bear. The grizzly would wound the rhino and eventually wear it down and kill it.[/quote]
they had been known to charge and derail trains. Something 9000 pounds traveling at 30 mph doesn’t need a direct hit to mess you up. Brown bears are very powerful but there is just too big a disparity in size to overcome.
The only thing that will mess with a rhino in africa is an elephant. Not a pride of lions, not crocs, not even hippos which kill more people than any other animal there. Do you think a brown bear can take on a pride of lions? [/quote]
I think a bear would take a couple with it.[/quote]
Two male lions would outweigh the bear and have every tool he has plus cat reflexes.
[quote]Testy1 wrote:
[quote]bdocksaints75 wrote:
[quote]Testy1 wrote:
[quote]bdocksaints75 wrote:
I just don’t think the Rhino would get lucky enough to use its horn or get any good hits on the bear. The grizzly would wound the rhino and eventually wear it down and kill it.[/quote]
they had been known to charge and derail trains. Something 9000 pounds traveling at 30 mph doesn’t need a direct hit to mess you up. Brown bears are very powerful but there is just too big a disparity in size to overcome.
The only thing that will mess with a rhino in africa is an elephant. Not a pride of lions, not crocs, not even hippos which kill more people than any other animal there. Do you think a brown bear can take on a pride of lions? [/quote]
I think a bear would take a couple with it.[/quote]
Two male lions would outweigh the bear and have every tool he has plus cat reflexes.[/quote]
Ya, but male lions won’t work together I don’t think. 4-5 females will though + a male, so…
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Next:
Gustave or Lolong
vs.
Siberian tiger
Go!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siberian_tiger[/quote]
Tiger on land, large crocs cannot turn quickly on land. The tiger takes his back and gives a killing bite to the back of the skull unless he rolls and knocks the tiger off.
croc in the water. Croc latches on and death rolls. Game over.
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]Testy1 wrote:
[quote]bdocksaints75 wrote:
[quote]Testy1 wrote:
[quote]bdocksaints75 wrote:
I just don’t think the Rhino would get lucky enough to use its horn or get any good hits on the bear. The grizzly would wound the rhino and eventually wear it down and kill it.[/quote]
they had been known to charge and derail trains. Something 9000 pounds traveling at 30 mph doesn’t need a direct hit to mess you up. Brown bears are very powerful but there is just too big a disparity in size to overcome.
The only thing that will mess with a rhino in africa is an elephant. Not a pride of lions, not crocs, not even hippos which kill more people than any other animal there. Do you think a brown bear can take on a pride of lions? [/quote]
I think a bear would take a couple with it.[/quote]
Two male lions would outweigh the bear and have every tool he has plus cat reflexes.[/quote]
Ya, but male lions won’t work together I don’t think. 4-5 females will though + a male, so…[/quote]
I think Male lions are their to protect the pride and the females do the hunting so maybe.
[quote]bdocksaints75 wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]Testy1 wrote:
[quote]bdocksaints75 wrote:
[quote]Testy1 wrote:
[quote]bdocksaints75 wrote:
I just don’t think the Rhino would get lucky enough to use its horn or get any good hits on the bear. The grizzly would wound the rhino and eventually wear it down and kill it.[/quote]
they had been known to charge and derail trains. Something 9000 pounds traveling at 30 mph doesn’t need a direct hit to mess you up. Brown bears are very powerful but there is just too big a disparity in size to overcome.
The only thing that will mess with a rhino in africa is an elephant. Not a pride of lions, not crocs, not even hippos which kill more people than any other animal there. Do you think a brown bear can take on a pride of lions? [/quote]
I think a bear would take a couple with it.[/quote]
Two male lions would outweigh the bear and have every tool he has plus cat reflexes.[/quote]
Ya, but male lions won’t work together I don’t think. 4-5 females will though + a male, so…[/quote]
I think Male lions are their to protect the pride and the females do the hunting so maybe.[/quote]
That is my understanding
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]Testy1 wrote:
[quote]bdocksaints75 wrote:
[quote]Testy1 wrote:
[quote]bdocksaints75 wrote:
I just don’t think the Rhino would get lucky enough to use its horn or get any good hits on the bear. The grizzly would wound the rhino and eventually wear it down and kill it.[/quote]
they had been known to charge and derail trains. Something 9000 pounds traveling at 30 mph doesn’t need a direct hit to mess you up. Brown bears are very powerful but there is just too big a disparity in size to overcome.
The only thing that will mess with a rhino in africa is an elephant. Not a pride of lions, not crocs, not even hippos which kill more people than any other animal there. Do you think a brown bear can take on a pride of lions? [/quote]
I think a bear would take a couple with it.[/quote]
Two male lions would outweigh the bear and have every tool he has plus cat reflexes.[/quote]
Ya, but male lions won’t work together I don’t think. 4-5 females will though + a male, so…[/quote]
Young males will but by then they have left the pride. The bear is no better of against a dominant male and 4-5 lioness.
[quote]Bauber wrote:
[quote]Silyak wrote:
[quote]csulli wrote:
Rhino wins easily.
Personally though, while I would have no chance against a large grizzly in unarmed combat, I think I would fare better against the rhino.
You see a rhino is so large that you would be able to leap onto its head and hold on to the conveniently placed horn. The rhino has no way of reaching up to dislodge you, so you’re then free to yank out one of its eyes and force your arm into the newly vacant eye socket to scramble its brains with your hand.[/quote]
I bet that the rhino could roll over/buck you off. Basically, humans aren’t very good at the whole unarmed combat thing. [/quote]
One question I have always had is why didn’t a creature evolve (lets assume evolution is correct for sake of argument) that had a human’s cognitive ability and say a Grizzlies or lion’s prowess. Think of a 5,000 pound creature with imposable thumbs, retractable claws, massive maw, and thick skin like a rhino combined with the reasoning and mental capability of a human. Seem like evolution would have spawned something more physically and mentally dominant combining the two aspects into an ultimate species. [/quote]
It’s a simple issue of resource scarcity. 5000 lbs takes a lot of food. Evolution is not so much about head to head combat as survival against the environment.
And even in head to head combat, a race of smart rhinos with dexterity/oposable thumbs, etc., wouldn’t really have that much of an advantage against a race of humans, provided there was enough technology. The humans would have to develop and use more powerful guns, but the rhinos would be forced to have larger supply lines, vehicles, etc., and would still be fairly vulnerable to bullets and explosives.
The only way to find out is for us to go on trips and capture 1 Male grizzly, 1 Male Rhino , And a pride of lions. Anyone down?
[quote]bdocksaints75 wrote:
The only way to find out is for us to go on trips and capture 1 Male grizzly, 1 Male Rhino , And a pride of lions. Anyone down?[/quote]
Mayeb Ultimate Warrior will do a animal addition.
Oh you like hypothetical discussions?
Lemme link this classic thread:
100 unarmed men vs a large grizzly. The discussion lasted 18 pages and once I started reading I read all of them.
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]Testy1 wrote:
[quote]bdocksaints75 wrote:
[quote]Testy1 wrote:
[quote]bdocksaints75 wrote:
I just don’t think the Rhino would get lucky enough to use its horn or get any good hits on the bear. The grizzly would wound the rhino and eventually wear it down and kill it.[/quote]
they had been known to charge and derail trains. Something 9000 pounds traveling at 30 mph doesn’t need a direct hit to mess you up. Brown bears are very powerful but there is just too big a disparity in size to overcome.
The only thing that will mess with a rhino in africa is an elephant. Not a pride of lions, not crocs, not even hippos which kill more people than any other animal there. Do you think a brown bear can take on a pride of lions? [/quote]
I think a bear would take a couple with it.[/quote]
Two male lions would outweigh the bear and have every tool he has plus cat reflexes.[/quote]
Ya, but male lions won’t work together I don’t think. 4-5 females will though + a male, so…[/quote]
Actually, small groups of male lions (2-3),typically brothers, called coalitions have been known to work together. Apparently sex is better than no sex, even if you have to share it with your brother.
I think it really becomes a question of why. If some dire rhino did attack a pride of say 10 lions, 2 males and 8 females, my money would be on the lions (Or alternately if the lions got hungry enough to attack a rhino). But the lions would probably take casualties and the rhino would rot before they could eat it all. Why would they do that when they can take down an antelope with a relatively minor risk of injury and still have enough to eat so that everyone is full? And Rhinos are herbivores so they aren’t going to attack unless the Lions threaten.
[quote]Silyak wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]Testy1 wrote:
[quote]bdocksaints75 wrote:
[quote]Testy1 wrote:
[quote]bdocksaints75 wrote:
I just don’t think the Rhino would get lucky enough to use its horn or get any good hits on the bear. The grizzly would wound the rhino and eventually wear it down and kill it.[/quote]
they had been known to charge and derail trains. Something 9000 pounds traveling at 30 mph doesn’t need a direct hit to mess you up. Brown bears are very powerful but there is just too big a disparity in size to overcome.
The only thing that will mess with a rhino in africa is an elephant. Not a pride of lions, not crocs, not even hippos which kill more people than any other animal there. Do you think a brown bear can take on a pride of lions? [/quote]
I think a bear would take a couple with it.[/quote]
Two male lions would outweigh the bear and have every tool he has plus cat reflexes.[/quote]
Ya, but male lions won’t work together I don’t think. 4-5 females will though + a male, so…[/quote]
Actually, small groups of male lions (2-3),typically brothers, called coalitions have been known to work together. Apparently sex is better than no sex, even if you have to share it with your brother.
I think it really becomes a question of why. If some dire rhino did attack a pride of say 10 lions, 2 males and 8 females, my money would be on the lions (Or alternately if the lions got hungry enough to attack a rhino). But the lions would probably take casualties and the rhino would rot before they could eat it all. Why would they do that when they can take down an antelope with a relatively minor risk of injury and still have enough to eat so that everyone is full? And Rhinos are herbivores so they aren’t going to attack unless the Lions threaten. [/quote]
You think an antelope will feed 10 lions?
Plus I thought a pride was pretty small. Like 1 male & 3-5 females, not 10.
[quote]super saiyan wrote:
What this means is that I would kill the rhino, the rhino would kill the bear, and the bear would kill me. It’s like rock, paper, scissors applied to interspecies combat.[/quote]
I’m glad somebody gets it.
[quote]csulli wrote:
[quote]super saiyan wrote:
What this means is that I would kill the rhino, the rhino would kill the bear, and the bear would kill me. It’s like rock, paper, scissors applied to interspecies combat.[/quote]
I’m glad somebody gets it.[/quote]
So a bear can’t kill a rhino, but a human can?
[quote]bdocksaints75 wrote:
[quote]csulli wrote:
[quote]super saiyan wrote:
What this means is that I would kill the rhino, the rhino would kill the bear, and the bear would kill me. It’s like rock, paper, scissors applied to interspecies combat.[/quote]
I’m glad somebody gets it.[/quote]
So a bear can’t kill a rhino, but a human can?[/quote]
Exactly.
[quote]csulli wrote:
[quote]bdocksaints75 wrote:
[quote]csulli wrote:
[quote]super saiyan wrote:
What this means is that I would kill the rhino, the rhino would kill the bear, and the bear would kill me. It’s like rock, paper, scissors applied to interspecies combat.[/quote]
I’m glad somebody gets it.[/quote]
So a bear can’t kill a rhino, but a human can?[/quote]
Exactly.[/quote]
I don’t think a human without any weapons wins against a rhino.