Who Wants Obama to Fail?

[quote]pushharder wrote:
Schlenkatank wrote:
…our government must be designed and integrated within a healthy social structure so that our country can stay that way. That is the goal of Obama…

…his job is to design plans that will make our government and social structures more harmonious…

Very intellectually stimulating post. Thanks!

(This is a great song, so I hear, to listen to when taking that toke)

Schlenky, baby, what do you of that sweet Canadian bud that they are moving down Lake Champlain on those pontoon boats? I think that is such a fuckin’ clever way to move product![/quote]

har har, i goes i do sound like a true toker. I live on the east side of vermont so I don’t benifit from the sticky stuff coming down from canada. It’s a nice system they have going for them though.
Classic music choice dude, i love the beatles, especially when lightin’ up.
try this one out, it’s a real classic too. Led Zeppelin-kashmir...the real video - YouTube

oh, i just realized that everytime i said Nancy Pelosi, i really meant ann coulter, kind of making my jokes rather confusing. kind of dropped the joint on that one.

wtf

In the off chance that i was being made fun of by a conservative idealist, i would feel kind of cheated. Regardless, it’s all good.

Oh, and someone please explain to me how a president who caused a problem could logically be considered better than one who is trying to fix the same problem (ie our busted economy). Just a thought, even if Obama drives the country into the ground, he’s just trying to counter policies that have shown to be ineffective for eight years.

Put that in your pipe and smoke it. :stuck_out_tongue:

1.Wilson Whatever.
2.Obama?!?! WTF!!?!
3.Bush@#$$!?! are you fucking nuts?!?!?!

  1. Wilson
  2. FDR
  3. Bush

Obama will beat him out for spot #2.[/quote]

Hey Belligerant, nice post. I love the way you logically analyze all that crazy ass shit you say.
Yo dude, what do you think of that dope ass, fly-ass, crazy ass, LSD shitt comin accross the mexican border man. far out right?

This is a great song to trip balls to, it’s one of my favorites.

[quote]Schlenkatank wrote:
In the off chance that i was being made fun of by a conservative idealist, i would feel kind of cheated. Regardless, it’s all good.

Oh, and someone please explain to me how a president who caused a problem could logically be considered better than one who is trying to fix the same problem (ie our busted economy). Just a thought, even if Obama drives the country into the ground, he’s just trying to counter policies that have shown to be ineffective for eight years.

Put that in your pipe and smoke it. :stuck_out_tongue:

1.Wilson Whatever.
2.Obama?!?! WTF!!?!
3.Bush@#$$!?! are you fucking nuts?!?!?!
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You have an awfully narrow view of economics if you think Obama is “countering” W.'s policies. Obama isn’t reversing W.'s economic policies, he’s accelerating them. And they’re both wrong.

To claim that he’s “countering” W. is horrendously inaccurate.

But you’d know that if you had a grasp of the situation beyond (D)'s and (R)'s.

[quote]Schlenkatank wrote:

Just a thought, even if Obama drives the country into the ground, he’s just trying to counter policies that have shown to be ineffective for eight years.

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The problem is that trying isn’t good enough. This is the big time, where getting an “A” for effort still means you fucked the country over unrecoverably. If he successfully runs the country into the ground, it doesn’t matter what he’s TRYING to accomplish. He is a moron.

the list of worst presidents is actually:

Wilson – responsible for every economic woe to occurr at the hand of US government in the last century and also responsible for the hegemonic nature of its sponsored mass warware via theft and counterfit; selective service.

Bush II – Officially turned the US into a dictatorship

Lincoln – set the precedent for using military force for political gain.

FDR – officially brought socialism to the US.

Nixon – I don’t know what he did exactly but everyone still hates him :slight_smile:

sigh… i’ll admit quite readily that economics is not my strongsuit, and the quoted statement is very general. Although, I believe that you only need to analyze this situation through the common practices of D’s and R’s.

The failure of the economy took place because Bush removed regulations on the banks and financhial services of America, allowing for rampant greed and evil business practices. The lack of government support allowed for greed to run rampant in the investment market, and ultimately caused it’s collapse.

Hey tGunslinger, aren’t R’s known for their whole belief in “the government that governs least is the one that governs best”? Hrmmmm, I think someone famous said that. But you know, its not like Obama has inforced regulations and openly called out poor investment practices, right?
Oh wait, yes he did.

The nation needs a firm government presence to make the investment market more stable, and to balance the effect of very poor republican leadership for the past 8 years.

Friend, get off the field now. You’re like a 5th grade girl wearing a plaid skirt and bobby socks who wandered on to the gridiron in a Bears-Packers game in Soldier Field and expecting to play left guard on 4th and 1.[/quote]

Hey now, there’s no need to be antagonistic. communication and collaboration allows for growth while pure ignorance guarantees stagnancy and animosity. You seem like you’re trying to preach to the choir by getting rid of me. so far you’re only point was that i smoke weed. Ironically, your the one who seems juvenile.

So go ahead friend, please try and prove me wrong.

Why does Obama suck so hard? Is it because he’s decisively proven himself ineffective like our last president (Obama’s been in office for about seven weeks)? Or is it that your rigid republican attitude can’t bear to witness the most POTENTIALLY groundbreaking president in the past fifty years. Please be specific.

[quote]Schlenkatank wrote:
The failure of the economy took place because Bush removed regulations on the banks and financhial services of America, allowing for rampant greed and evil business practices. The lack of government support allowed for greed to run rampant in the investment market, and ultimately caused it’s collapse.
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Greed is not to blame. It is a scapegoat. Besides no one can regulate greed especially the government. Greedy people get around regulation – thus is the nature of greed.

Instead of more regulation government needs better enforcement. As it is they have more regulations than they can enforce.

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

Instead of more regulation government needs better enforcement. As it is they have more regulations than they can enforce.[/quote]

Yes, Do you think the Great Sec. Of Treasury Gietner would be telling us the way to fix the economy is hinged on ‘Health Care Reform’ if we enforced jailing big tax cheats?

He should be in JAIL!

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Schlenkatank wrote:
The failure of the economy took place because Bush removed regulations on the banks and financhial services of America, allowing for rampant greed and evil business practices. The lack of government support allowed for greed to run rampant in the investment market, and ultimately caused it’s collapse.

Greed is not to blame. It is a scapegoat. Besides no one can regulate greed especially the government. Greedy people get around regulation – thus is the nature of greed.

Instead of more regulation government needs better enforcement. As it is they have more regulations than they can enforce.[/quote]

Let’s also remember this started with housing that then effected banks. What happened in the housing market that Bush tried to stop but was blocked by a hardline congress? Anyone?

Greed is not to blame. It is a scapegoat. Besides no one can regulate greed especially the government. Greedy people get around regulation – thus is the nature of greed.

Instead of more regulation government needs better enforcement. As it is they have more regulations than they can enforce.[/quote]

Greed is an everpresent problem in our society. Your right, no one can regulate greed except the will of an individual, it is beyond government regulation.

However, our government definately has the ability and responsibility to require bankers and the like to not grant loans to people who can’t pay them off. Your right, greed wasn’t the problem it was an effect.

By the way, bush removed the regulations so that republican ideology could be achieved, people could get rich, trickle down, etc… He hoped that this would stimulate the economy. Instead it made it crash.

[quote]Schlenkatank wrote:
By the way, bush removed the regulations so that republican ideology could be achieved, people could get rich, trickle down, etc… He hoped that this would stimulate the economy. Instead it made it crash. [/quote]

See the thing is, I don’t think there should be regulations on what qualifications must be met to receive a loan. If I can find someone willing to take the risk to extend me a loan then what is the problem?

The problem is too much interference in the financial markets to begin with. There is the “too big to fail” mentality running rampant because all these deadbeat bankers have to do is go running to big brother for a bailout. This is especially the case now that we’ve already had a few of them. Moral hazard.

If banks make too many bad loans they need to go broke. Government, stops this very important process.

[quote]pushharder wrote:
Schlenkatank wrote:

…So go ahead friend, please try and prove me wrong…

No need. This is a spectator sport.

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Ahhhhh, i see. your an admin, and i’m the antagonistic doucher calling you out. ahhhhhhhhhhhh. whoops, my bad.

Well, in response to LIFTICVSMAXIMVS I understand that government can pry it’s way into the crevices of society where it doesn’t belong, but don’t you at least agree that lack of specific regulations caused an INCREDIBLE amount of people to create this problem and that this problem will be lasting and severe?

[quote]Schlenkatank wrote:
sigh… i’ll admit quite readily that economics is not my strongsuit, and the quoted statement is very general. Although, I believe that you only need to analyze this situation through the common practices of D’s and R’s.[/quote]

Then you’ll get nowhere, because the differences between the GOP and the Dems is just window-dressing.

There is zero practical difference between the two parties, in terms of economic policy.

[quote]The failure of the economy took place because Bush removed regulations on the banks and financhial services of America, allowing for rampant greed and evil business practices.

The lack of government support allowed for greed to run rampant in the investment market, and ultimately caused it’s collapse.[/quote]

Wrong. This all occurred because the federal government has been far too squeamish about allowing businesses that made bad decisions to fail.

This didn’t begin in 2008. It didn’t begin in 2000, or 1992. It began, at an absolute minimum, in the 1970’s when the federal government decided some businesses were “too big to fail” and deserved government assistance.

That started the snowball, and we’ve been rewarding bad behavior and overly-risky investments for the past thirty-some-odd years, at least. We’re finding out now that we cannot possibly afford it, and yet the gov’t is still too frightened to imagine life without Citi, AIG, and GM. This despite the fact that the market has passed its judgment on these companies, and it wasn’t lenient.

If we had privatized gains and privatized losses, bad investments wouldn’t have been propped up and allowed to compound for years before we all got served with the bill.

While I’m 100% opposed to it, socializing gains and socializing losses would make more sense than our current system of privatizing gains and socializing losses (for certain entities, not all).

[quote]Hey tGunslinger, aren’t R’s known for their whole belief in “the government that governs least is the one that governs best”? Hrmmmm, I think someone famous said that. But you know, its not like Obama has inforced regulations and openly called out poor investment practices, right?
Oh wait, yes he did.[/quote]

And again, if you looked through a lens with a resolution finer than (D) vs. (R), you’d see that the (R)'s have failed miserably in living up to their stated convictions.

Yes, the government that governs least governs best. That is absolutely correct, and it’s tragic that the GOP has wholly forgotten the notion.

However, it’s incorrect to blame the small government philosophy for this current situation since no large-scale attempt to draw back the size, scope, and cost of government has been tried in the last century.

Even GOP-stalwarts like Reagan did not shrink the gov’t, they merely slowed its growth. Bush grew the gov’t more than most (D)'s that have had the White House. Now Obama has taken it to another level; that’s hardly “countering”. By Einstein’s definition, you’re insane if you think we’ll get any different result under Obama than what we got under Bush.

So how on Earth can you blame small government for, well, anything happening now? Blaming the philosophy of small government for this mess is like blaming Tom Landry for the Cowboys’ flops the last two years.

But of course, you’d know that if you looked beyond (D)'s vs. (R)'s.

Like a hole in the head, and 2000 points says I’m right…

Excellent post, tgunslinger…

It needs to be a sticky.

Mufasa

You know, I’ve never understood why we have our military permanently stationed in all these places. I would love to see us significantly reduce our worldwide presence.

Absolutely!

Then, maybe the US will stop handing out billions each year and its army will get out of the hundreds of military bases it has on foreign soil.[/quote]