Who Likes the Old School Bodybuilders?

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[quote]chimera182 wrote:

[quote]Schlenkatank wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]sam_sneed wrote:

[quote]Schlenkatank wrote:

I’ll say this: if bodybuilding is simply about maximizing certain characteristics like size, leanness, and symmetry than the bodybuilders of today blow the old ones out of the water. I think it’s a little more than that.
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Well, then we simply disagree. The above is exactly what I understand bodybuilding to be. [/quote]

Wait a second, so people think bodybuilding is NOT about [quote]maximizing certain characteristics like size, leanness, and symmetry[/quote]???

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If you can’t build a body that looks good than what’s the point? Most average people today find pro bodybuilders disgusting.[/quote]

Going by your logic we should all strive to look like Brad Pitt in fight club. Which is fine if that’s what you want, just don’t expect people on a BB forum to be aiming for that.[/quote]

No, that’s not my logic. You should look like whatever fits your goals and tastes, not mine.

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[quote]Sentoguy wrote:

[quote]Akuma01 wrote:
Kellen Lutz from twilight playing the new Conan can just kill movies for the DIRE hard fans.[/quote]

Please tell me that you’re joking.[/quote]

Read it and weep, my friend…

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[quote]sam_sneed wrote:

[quote]Schlenkatank wrote:

and yet ronnie coleman or jay cutler will never be movie stars.[/quote]

Do you think maybe, just maybe, Arnold’s charisma had something to do him becoming an actor?

Who cares anyhow. What does becoming a movie star have to do with bodybuilding anyway?[/quote]

yeah, big time, although he wasn’t a great actor. Ronnie has charisma too, he seems like a very likeable person with a sense of humor. i could see him acting if he wasn’t so large.

I think this has something to do with bodybuilding because the trend of BB’s popularity seems to reflect the size and freakiness of the BB’s themselves. I think that’s significant.

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WTF? kellen lutz to play conan? that is sad. Hollywood is afraid to use big bodybuilders for epic heros like Conan.

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[quote]Sentoguy wrote:
I remember seeing an old episode of a crime tv drama in which Arnold played an aspiring BB’er who had anger issues. Can’t for the life of me remember what the name of the show was (hopefully someone can help me out).

Anyway, if you watch that episode, you’ll see a pretty accurate depiction of the mainstream sentiments towards BB’ing in Arnold’s time. And let’s just say that it wasn’t hero worship.[/quote]

I normally try to stay out of shit storm threads like this (and just read them for the lolz from the sidelines), but I too had seen this video before and had to post it:

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[quote]Schlenkatank wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Schlenkatank wrote:

Of course, it’s impossible to create an aesthetic ideal. Aesthetics are purely personal.[/quote]

Which is why the judging criteria isn’t just based on “looks good” and “doesn’t look good”. There is a category for size, one for symmetry, one for conditioning and even one for presentation…but there has NEVER fucking been a “does he look pretty enough?” category…like you seem to think.

That is why Jay Cutler can win an Olympia based on conditioning even though several others guys might beat him as far as overall aesthetics.

Though it may ultimately be “subjective”, they do try to create some sort of objective criteria for the winner.

Therefore, no one gives a shit if you think Kai Greene is too big. You doubtfully even follow bodybuilding at all currently making your opinion fucking useless.

YOU have not built a body anywhere near that of Reeves. You more than likely never will.

You will forever sit on the sidelines throwing rocks at anyone who has goals that go far beyond what you think is “pretty”…and again no one cares.

Bodybuilding isn’t about looking acceptable to fat people who don’t lift.[/quote]

Fantastic, I disagree with you. Try handling that okay?

And my goals are my own X, keep them out of this. i’m not putting down your goals or anyone elses because of how i feel. What I’m trying to tell you is that the bb’s mission is ultimately moving away from what most people find aesthetic. My belief is that that’s counterproductive. That’s all.[/quote]

Are you really this slow? How could it MOVE AWAY from what most sedentary people find aesthetic if it never was what most sedentary people find aesthetic and never tried to be?

You are making ZERO sense here.

Bodybuilding was NEVER accepted by the general public, so it can’t possibly MOVE AWAY from being accepted.

Even when ESPN showed random bodybuilding comps, they were so disrespected that it wasn’t odd for the show to be cut off half way through because they were just using it as filler.

Bodybuilders are NOT trying to fit in.

That is not an opinion. It is a fact and if you still can’t grasp that, why are you here?

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First of all: Every pro-bodybuilder (60’s or now) has a body 99% of the people on T-Nation would kill for, but will probably never reach.

I personally think that the number one aim of bodybuilding is to look literally UNBELIEVEABLE. So to me it is not so hard to imagine that a lot of people find “new” bodybuilders disgusting. They aim to be developed past the point of belief and what is normal at the time.

As for the “only weak and small people think the bodybuilders from the 60’s look better”: I know a national bodybuilding champion of 250 pounds who also believes bodybuilders are getting to mass oriented. (He also finds harm in using insulin and other ‘new’ drugs although he himself used “lighter” anabolic drugs in his day, but ok)

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[quote]Fulldeplex wrote:

As for the “only weak and small people think the bodybuilders from the 60’s look better”: )
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No one here wrote that or even implied it…so what are you talking about? Does this really need to be spelled out like this? The types of people who IGNORE ALL OF CURRENT PROFESSIONAL BODYBUILDING but log in to tell us that Arnold looked better are almost always the type who don’t even know any of the current pros who also look great and put many of the guys from the 60’s to shame. When we then try to point them out, those same people start talking about Coleman or Yates…or whoever else happens to be the only name they recognize.

It is a fucking guarantee that the guy in this thread, along with guys like trextacy and dankid, do NOT look impressive to any degree worth talking about. They simply like making sure other people don’t start applauding the guys who do get really big.

Don’t believe me? Ask for pictures.

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[quote]Akuma01 wrote:

[quote]Sentoguy wrote:

[quote]Akuma01 wrote:
Kellen Lutz from twilight playing the new Conan can just kill movies for the DIRE hard fans.[/quote]

Please tell me that you’re joking.[/quote]

Read it and weep, my friend…

http://uk.movies.yahoo.com/15012010/5/twilight-star-play-conan-0.html[/quote]

oh my god! this has gotta be a wind up surely?

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[quote]Sentoguy wrote:

I remember seeing an old episode of a crime tv drama in which Arnold played an aspiring BB’er who had anger issues. Can’t for the life of me remember what the name of the show was (hopefully someone can help me out).

Anyway, if you watch that episode, you’ll see a pretty accurate depiction of the mainstream sentiments towards BB’ing in Arnold’s time. And let’s just say that it wasn’t hero worship.[/quote]

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Kevin Levrone did acting in Hollywood. Just sayin’, to all those guys saying that “the pro’s today can’t get roles because they are too big”.
(And by the way, Arnold had to lose a lot of weight in order to do movies. He lost like 40 pounds of muscle in order to get movies, because he was too big.)

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[quote]Misterhamper wrote:
Kevin Levrone did acting in Hollywood. Just sayin’, to all those guys saying that “the pro’s today can’t get roles because they are too big”.
(And by the way, Arnold had to lose a lot of weight in order to do movies. He lost like 40 pounds of muscle in order to get movies, because he was too big.)[/quote]

Yes, and Levrone himself said in his blog that Arnold advised him to lose weight, which he did. That’s why he was about 200lbs before his transformations, compared with a competition weight of about 250lbs.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Fulldeplex wrote:

As for the “only weak and small people think the bodybuilders from the 60’s look better”: )
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No one here wrote that or even implied it…so what are you talking about?

It is a fucking guarantee that the guy in this thread, along with guys like trextacy and dankid, do NOT look impressive to any degree worth talking about. They simply like making sure other people don’t start applauding the guys who do get really big.

Don’t believe me? Ask for pictures.[/quote]

Ya totally, like that SCHLENKATANK kid, I heard he can only bench press like 400 pounds or something and run a 40 yard dash in four and a half seconds even. He’s probably fat too…

Sir you’re the one whose acting like an idiot, this pic is of me BULKING towards 250. I weigh 238-240 at 6’2.5" in this pic taken with my shitty ass computer. I’ve honestly weighed everywhere between 196 pounds and 245 as a fully grown adolescent, and between 12% and 6% bodyfat. When i get to 245+ I will start cutting to reduce bodyfat and increase my look and athleticism.

And yes, you did suggest that people who dissent from your opinions on bodybuilding are weak, small, and or stupid. You just sound way to defensive.

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Thanks Sam, that’s the show I was talking about. There is another scene where the woman in the above clip goes to watch Arnold compete in a BB’ing show and the audience is laughing and ridiculing the guys up on stage as the show is going on.

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[quote]Akuma01 wrote:

[quote]Sentoguy wrote:

[quote]Akuma01 wrote:
Kellen Lutz from twilight playing the new Conan can just kill movies for the DIRE hard fans.[/quote]

Please tell me that you’re joking.[/quote]

Read it and weep, my friend…
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I am literally weeping. That is a sad, sad commentary on Hollywood’s muscle phobia.

What are they gonna have him wear a muscle suit for the entire film? Have they ever seen the original or read the comics?

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As the starter of the thread I would put my vote for locking it to further comment.