[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Vegita wrote:
… his actual policy position, would have been to allow a gold backed competing currency that would be more resistant to inflation. People could use this currency as a sort of security blanket for long term savings, instead of throwing thier money into the stock market and having the potential for what we are going through now happen. Anyone who was planning on retiring within the next 5 years, just cancelled those plans.
V
This is an absolute joke. As soon as a government expresses this level of insecurity about it’s currency the game is over. [/quote]
I hate to break it to you sunshine, but this is exactly how money worked before the gold standard was dropped a few decades back. Dropping the gold standard is also one of the biggest factors contributing to the rampant inflation we have seen in generations. It’s a simple and tried method for maintaining the value of a unit of currency. The current system has no real backing.
That’s another thing being overlooked by almost everybody. Polls are meaningless. Literally. Unless the poll shows a candidate up or down by 20-30% it’s useless. Most of the polls declare a margin of error of +/-5%. That means if they polled 10,000 people as many as 500 votes in either direction may not be factored in to their results.
Any poll showing less than 6-7% differential should be completely ignored unless they show a very low/no margin of error.
McCain by less then 10 elctoral votes and 1% of the general population. Most polls have a natural bias towards the Dems and have for the last 4 cycles.
Obama’s key supporters are the young and minorities. They have never turned out and will not in this election based on registrations. They just don’t.
Folks aren’t going to elect an unproven, inexperienced socialist in these times.
The way the “Republican Machine” works; I wouldn’t make it past a local School Board Election!
Mufasa
You’re kiddig about the “republican machine” comment right? I mean if there is one it’s severely broken right now. If not they would be churning out commercial after commercial about the racist Rev. Wright and how obama attended his church for 20 years.
Oh that’s right they’re scared to talk about the truth. the mainstream liberal media might call them racists.
Okay…maybe the “machine” will be fixed in four years.[/quote]
It ain’t broken…just covert, my friend…
Just read this Forum, and the hundreds of Right Wing Sites that many post on this Forum are linked to.
Negative campaigning of the type you suggest has proven (at least with this election) to be VERY distasteful to many Americans, especially the Independent Voter.
It would only serve to hurt McCain to launch the type of public attack you suggest.
[quote]GDollars37 wrote:
If you guys honestly think McCain is going to win you’re drinking some serious Fox News Koolaid.
First off, it’s a myth that the polls had Kerry winning in 2004; a few did, but not the majority. McCain is down in virtually every poll, sometimes by a lot. More importantly, look at the states.
McCain has already given up in Michigan, he’s down in Virginia (Virginia!), there’s even a chance he’ll lose Florida. Electoral College-wise, it is going to be a blowout.
The media may be broadly and almost uniformly for Obama, but they don’t get in a room on Friday nights and plan out how they’re going to deceive America.[/quote]
Agreed. McCain has as much chance of winning this thing as Bush does.
If you vote alternative (Paul, Nader, Barr, etc.) that is basically a vote for Obama. Obama already has the majority (simple or otherwise) every alternative vote is one less for McCain. If Obama is ahead those votes help him stay ahead.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
All I know is if Mccain wins by any margin at all then polling has lost all credibility.[/quote]
Tirib:
I really don’t think they are credible now.
I was surprised to learn on “CBS” yesterday how many of these Polls are dependent on Land Based phones. I don’t remember the numbers exactly, but I’ll see if I can find it…but almost 15% of Americans no longer even HAVE a land-based phone line.
The other thing is the “mis-information” that is surely given out when these Polls are taken. There is no way to verify the exact numbers, but I would bet that it is not a small number.
[quote]Mufasa wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
All I know is if Mccain wins by any margin at all then polling has lost all credibility.
Tirib:
I really don’t think they are credible now.
I was surprised to learn on “CBS” yesterday how many of these Polls are dependent on Land Based phones. I don’t remember the numbers exactly, but I’ll see if I can find it…but almost 15% of Americans no longer even HAVE a land-based phone line.
The other thing is the “mis-information” that is surely given out when these Polls are taken. There is no way to verify the exact numbers, but I would bet that it is not a small number.
This election is close, folks.
Mufasa[/quote]
I’m inclined to agree, but keep wondering if wishful thinking is getting the best of me.
The land line discrepancy started to surface a bit last time as well. I don’t know any more. I honestly have no idea who is going to win.
I’ve posted this elsewhere, but I think this piece describes pretty well why polls are often inaccurate - but particularly in this campaign given the social pressure to be “for” Obama."
I can tell you that here in Boston that this pressure is VERY strong; and its extremely hard to resist pretending you like Obama in any given group of people.
When I say that “The Machine” has been covert; that does NOT mean ineffective.
Between networking, Blogging, Forums like this,pulpits and general “cooler talk”, this is a close race that “should” have been one the Dems were running away with, hands down.
Even CONSERVATIVES have said that there is just no way that Obama should be having this close of a race with McCain.
Add to it the “Liberal, Biased Media” that “favors” Obama, and that even adds to the argument that “The Machine” has been much more effective than you think.
Or are the American people smarter than the Conservatives are giving them credit for?
It seems to me that its got to be one or the other or both:
“The Machine” has been effective, albiet covert
The American people are smarter than the Right gives them credit and they are “seeing through” Obama (thanks to “The Machine”)
Both
(I don’t list Obama as an ineffective campaigner, because again, even the Right concedes that he is a VERY effective campaigner).
Obama, comfortably. Dems will gain seats. And, I predict shortly after, an ambitious new package of social entitlements and programs will be launched…The Newerest Deal.