I borrowed a book from the library about tonfa and nunchaku. Tonfa is so cool it’s like a little stick with a perpendicular handle. Who fights with that kind of stuff here?
the bar i would at banned us from using collapsable batons so now i carry some nunchakas around.
that shit is gangster
Pretty much any cop with a nightstick carries a tonfa. I mean hell, Sarah Connor beats the crap out of a few guards with one in Terminator 2.
As for Nunchaku, I don’t think they’re a particularly effective weapon. In a heated moment, you’re pretty liable to hit yourself as much as you are to hit someone else.
Mostly I just want to know where you guys live that you feel you need to carry a hand to hand weapon and learn how to fight with it. I mean, I’ve worked at a pretty rowdy bar. There are very few situations that can’t be solved with turning the lights on and having a large man ask an unruly patron to leave. Currently, I work in an office at a pretty bad intersection in Baltimore. I really don’t think arming myself there is going to help me out in a situation there.
What I’m getting at is, how does someone manage to carry a night stick or pair of nunchucks around? And why do you feel as though it will improve your security?
[quote]HolyMacaroni wrote:
the bar i would at banned us from using collapsable batons so now i carry some nunchakas around.
that shit is gangster[/quote]
You’re fucking kidding me, right? Are you actually carrying a nunchaku in a bar? I’ve worked the door and had my share of fun, but come on, a nunchaku? Over here in europe, in most countries you aren’t even allowed to go out to the street with that stuff on you. After all - I don’t know how about the USA, but here - as a bouncer, law limits you to the same measures of self defense as just about anyone else. How would you justify self defense before court after beating the living shit out of a guy with a nunchaku?
As for the tonfa, actually you can do a lot more than just strike… There’s a whole load of locks and chokes you can apply with a tonfa, that’s why security forces tend to prefer it over standard batons.
[quote]XiaoNio wrote:
Pretty much any cop with a nightstick carries a tonfa. I mean hell, Sarah Connor beats the crap out of a few guards with one in Terminator 2.
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yeah I didnt make the link. I was thinking about two wooden tonfa at the same time. That is cool as hell
Tonfa and Nunchaku come from the Okinawan art known as Kobudu. Becasue the Japanese banned the Okinawans from owning knives and swords the Okinawans had to come up with improvising weapons from everyday tools that they had readily available. Tonfa were handles that were used for turning machinery like grind stones. Nunchaku were used as flails for seperating grain from a stalk. So if you want to learn those weapons you need to find a teacher who has studied Okinawan Kobudu.
Now that we have that little bit of history out of the way there is something really in mportant that you need to know. Most if not all of what most people have seen and know about Nuchaku is not based upon fighting with them. What everyone is familiar with is the Bruce Lee style where he uses them more like a chain whip with a long rope or chain between the handles. Then people choke up their grip right to the chain so they can whip them faster. It looks really cool because you can twirl them around like a batton twirler but for combat that is the wrong way to use them.
Unfortunately this is something that you can see with a lot of the traditional weapons if you ever watch any forms competitions. What you see today is batton twirling with a weapon, it’s not fighting technique and a lot of it would get you hurt or killed in a real fight.
Here is a video of an Okinawan Kobudo Sensei showing proper use of Nunchaku. First thing to take note of is the length of the rope between the handles is a lot shorter than Bruce Lee used because the short rope allows for a lot more techniques.
Here is where you can get a proper set of Nunchaku. If you grip them up at the rope they should be able to reach all the way down your forearm to your elbow.
They make really nice Tonfa as well. In fact everything Shuriedo makes is top quality or as the Japanese say Ichi ban.
Here is the sensei from the Nunchaku video showing sparring with tonfa
This is one of my teachers, Grand Master Odo. Master Odo was considered to be the top Kobudo master on Okinawa. I highly recommend learning from one of his students.
i actually use both and own a few books and dvd’s on nunchaku. they are great for all types of hand/eye coordination.
I prefer knifes or swords for that matter.
Here is another video of a Kobudo master using Nunchaku. If you watch this you will see that he does a number of moves where he isn’t actually swinging them around like you see in the movies. What some of those moves are is trapping and joint locking. That is why traditional nut cracker style Nunchaku can be useful for controlling people instead of just beating the hell out of someone like Bruce Lee would do.
This video Nunchaku vs Tanto will give you some idea of how you actually use Nunchaku for joint locking.
Here is a Bo vs Tonfa demonstration.
thanks for the videos
so your main hobby is to fight with those weapons? that’s cool
[quote]Sifu wrote:
Tonfa and Nunchaku come from the Okinawan art known as Kobudu. Becasue the Japanese banned the Okinawans from owning knives and swords the Okinawans had to come up with improvising weapons from everyday tools that they had readily available.
Tonfa were handles that were used for turning machinery like grind stones. Nunchaku were used as flails for seperating grain from a stalk. So if you want to learn those weapons you need to find a teacher who has studied Okinawan Kobudu.
Now that we have that little bit of history out of the way there is something really in mportant that you need to know. Most if not all of what most people have seen and know about Nuchaku is not based upon fighting with them.
What everyone is familiar with is the Bruce Lee style where he uses them more like a chain whip with a long rope or chain between the handles. Then people choke up their grip right to the chain so they can whip them faster. It looks really cool because you can twirl them around like a batton twirler but for combat that is the wrong way to use them.
Unfortunately this is something that you can see with a lot of the traditional weapons if you ever watch any forms competitions. What you see today is batton twirling with a weapon, it’s not fighting technique and a lot of it would get you hurt or killed in a real fight.
Here is a video of an Okinawan Kobudo Sensei showing proper use of Nunchaku. First thing to take note of is the length of the rope between the handles is a lot shorter than Bruce Lee used because the short rope allows for a lot more techniques.
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Matayoshi FTMFnW.
Got a chizi kun kata from a student of Kimo Wall, myself.
Baseball bats work better.
And guns beat fists and fork lifts beat power-lifters.
nice reply
[quote]BIGBOSSTRON wrote:
I prefer knifes or swords for that matter.[/quote]
Knives and swords are limited in their use because they are only good for maiming or killing.
[quote]jasmincar wrote:
thanks for the videos
so your main hobby is to fight with those weapons? that’s cool[/quote]
No. My main focus is empty handed technique. The Karate system I studied starts out with empty handed weapons then after black we start learning the traditional Kobudu weapons bo and sai which like all the Okinawan weapons were originally farm implements.
We learned Kobudo mainly for the preservation of the traditional art. However with todays crazy world it’s not inconceivable that you could end up on the wrong end of some of those weapons so having some knowledge of them could save your ass. Or you could have people come into your dojo wanting to be hardasses so it could be useful to have something laying around that you know how to use.
Another aspect to bear in mind is that once you have an advanced skill level in an empty handed art like Karate you have a foundation of skills that are applicable and even neccessary to practicing Kobudu. That is why I won’t teach weapons until students are at least brown belts. If you don’t know how to handle your hands and feet properly you aren’t going to handle an extension properly either.
[quote]tom63 wrote:
Baseball bats work better.[/quote]
It depends on what you are trying to do. With Nunchaku you can do a lot of joint locking that you just aren’t going to do with a bat. Joint locking can be a very effective way of controlling someone in a humane fashion.
Besides an unschooled idiot with a baseball bat isn’t going to be able to use that as effectively or in a variety of terrain as someone who knows what they are doing and knowledge of one weapon can transfer over to others.
I think a three section staff would be a hell of a usefull street weapon if handled correctly. I’ve fucked around with it at all of it’s ranges in a non fancy kind of way and it seems like it has the potential to be really usefull. When you just fucking swing that motherfucker at full length that thing creates so much fucking force it’s insane. And I don’t own one of the lightly built show ones, it’s heavy duty. Plus you can choke the shit out of people like that guy in the vid was doing with the Nunchaku. Imagine some fucked up shit is gonna go down, it’s dark and you sneak around back to where no one notices you, then you just start beating dudes long distance, and if need be you grab higher up to shorten it for closer combat. I think it would be indimidating and hard for anyone to touch you.
I fight Nunchaku u want make kumite nunchaku and tonfa? I show how kill with nunchaku, dead sensei be proud bring much honor will.
[quote]3IdSpetsnaz wrote:
I fight Nunchaku u want make kumite nunchaku and tonfa? I show how kill with nunchaku, dead sensei be proud bring much honor will.[/quote]
And here I was forgetting why I’d abandoned the combat sports forum.
Keep it classy, educational, and keep sharing that experience!