Who do Hermaphrodites Marry?

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]DrSkeptix wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]DrSkeptix wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]ironcross wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]ironcross wrote:

…I have known one in real life…

[/quote]

POIDNH
[/quote]

I don’t know why you’d ask for that.[/quote]

I guess what I was asking, in a manner of speaking, is how YOU, IhaveabiologydegreeandyoudontCross, KNOW that this person “has a fully functional penis and vagina.”[/quote]

Could be persistent mullerian duct syndrome, one of a number of failures of mullerian inhibiting factor. Most such cases are castrated as infants and raised as girls, or as Austrians, since ambiguous genitalia goes unnoticed among them.

[/quote]

True, we have extraordinarily small penises.

Unfortunately we cannot compensate for it with a rather larger army and the occasional war…

Pity, really… [/quote]

Now, are you speaking as a castrated hermaphrodite, or as an average Austrian with ambiguous genitalia?
Either position is plausible, but historically speaking, the Austrian is more bellicose than the eunuch, regardless of genotype.
[/quote]
Yeah but they lose, probably because their balls are swallowed up by their own vaginas.

What an enlightening thread this has become.[/quote]

Lost what?

We were a larger empire, for longer, than the American one can hope to be…

:-)[/quote]
Size and power defined how? Besides, in more recent history, we spanked your gender confused asses twice in a row. In most competitions the winner is the champ. So…[/quote]

Yeah well, Alexander, that little upstart shit, did conquer the Persian empire too…

And it promptly plunged into chaos after his death…

Sometimes, fucking up stuff is just so much easier than keeping things together, but of course an adolescent mindset is more inclined to do the former. [/quote]
So, Hitler for the win!?

We’ve redefined the entire worlds outlook. Nobody has ever done that. [/quote]

Oh boy.

I have swords older than your nation.

Just saying. [/quote]
So does Japan but we fucked them right up with new technology. And then rebuilt them, launching the economic powerhouse they are today.[/quote]

Yeah well, enjoy your few decades in the sun…[/quote]
Says a dead empire :slight_smile:

Wanna arm wrestle?

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[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]DrSkeptix wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]DrSkeptix wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]ironcross wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]ironcross wrote:

…I have known one in real life…

[/quote]

POIDNH
[/quote]

I don’t know why you’d ask for that.[/quote]

I guess what I was asking, in a manner of speaking, is how YOU, IhaveabiologydegreeandyoudontCross, KNOW that this person “has a fully functional penis and vagina.”[/quote]

Could be persistent mullerian duct syndrome, one of a number of failures of mullerian inhibiting factor. Most such cases are castrated as infants and raised as girls, or as Austrians, since ambiguous genitalia goes unnoticed among them.

[/quote]

True, we have extraordinarily small penises.

Unfortunately we cannot compensate for it with a rather larger army and the occasional war…

Pity, really… [/quote]

Now, are you speaking as a castrated hermaphrodite, or as an average Austrian with ambiguous genitalia?
Either position is plausible, but historically speaking, the Austrian is more bellicose than the eunuch, regardless of genotype.
[/quote]
Yeah but they lose, probably because their balls are swallowed up by their own vaginas.

What an enlightening thread this has become.[/quote]

Lost what?

We were a larger empire, for longer, than the American one can hope to be…

:-)[/quote]
Size and power defined how? Besides, in more recent history, we spanked your gender confused asses twice in a row. In most competitions the winner is the champ. So…[/quote]

Yeah well, Alexander, that little upstart shit, did conquer the Persian empire too…

And it promptly plunged into chaos after his death…

Sometimes, fucking up stuff is just so much easier than keeping things together, but of course an adolescent mindset is more inclined to do the former. [/quote]
So, Hitler for the win!?

We’ve redefined the entire worlds outlook. Nobody has ever done that. [/quote]

Oh boy.

I have swords older than your nation.

Just saying. [/quote]
So does Japan but we fucked them right up with new technology. And then rebuilt them, launching the economic powerhouse they are today.[/quote]

All this making sure they are subservient.

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[quote]joebassin wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]DrSkeptix wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]DrSkeptix wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]ironcross wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]ironcross wrote:

…I have known one in real life…

[/quote]

POIDNH
[/quote]

I don’t know why you’d ask for that.[/quote]

I guess what I was asking, in a manner of speaking, is how YOU, IhaveabiologydegreeandyoudontCross, KNOW that this person “has a fully functional penis and vagina.”[/quote]

Could be persistent mullerian duct syndrome, one of a number of failures of mullerian inhibiting factor. Most such cases are castrated as infants and raised as girls, or as Austrians, since ambiguous genitalia goes unnoticed among them.

[/quote]

True, we have extraordinarily small penises.

Unfortunately we cannot compensate for it with a rather larger army and the occasional war…

Pity, really… [/quote]

Now, are you speaking as a castrated hermaphrodite, or as an average Austrian with ambiguous genitalia?
Either position is plausible, but historically speaking, the Austrian is more bellicose than the eunuch, regardless of genotype.
[/quote]
Yeah but they lose, probably because their balls are swallowed up by their own vaginas.

What an enlightening thread this has become.[/quote]

Lost what?

We were a larger empire, for longer, than the American one can hope to be…

:-)[/quote]
Size and power defined how? Besides, in more recent history, we spanked your gender confused asses twice in a row. In most competitions the winner is the champ. So…[/quote]

Yeah well, Alexander, that little upstart shit, did conquer the Persian empire too…

And it promptly plunged into chaos after his death…

Sometimes, fucking up stuff is just so much easier than keeping things together, but of course an adolescent mindset is more inclined to do the former. [/quote]
So, Hitler for the win!?

We’ve redefined the entire worlds outlook. Nobody has ever done that. [/quote]

Oh boy.

I have swords older than your nation.

Just saying. [/quote]
So does Japan but we fucked them right up with new technology. And then rebuilt them, launching the economic powerhouse they are today.[/quote]

All this making sure they are subservient.
[/quote]
Yep.

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[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]joebassin wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]DrSkeptix wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]DrSkeptix wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]ironcross wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]ironcross wrote:

…I have known one in real life…

[/quote]

POIDNH
[/quote]

I don’t know why you’d ask for that.[/quote]

I guess what I was asking, in a manner of speaking, is how YOU, IhaveabiologydegreeandyoudontCross, KNOW that this person “has a fully functional penis and vagina.”[/quote]

Could be persistent mullerian duct syndrome, one of a number of failures of mullerian inhibiting factor. Most such cases are castrated as infants and raised as girls, or as Austrians, since ambiguous genitalia goes unnoticed among them.

[/quote]

True, we have extraordinarily small penises.

Unfortunately we cannot compensate for it with a rather larger army and the occasional war…

Pity, really… [/quote]

Now, are you speaking as a castrated hermaphrodite, or as an average Austrian with ambiguous genitalia?
Either position is plausible, but historically speaking, the Austrian is more bellicose than the eunuch, regardless of genotype.
[/quote]
Yeah but they lose, probably because their balls are swallowed up by their own vaginas.

What an enlightening thread this has become.[/quote]

Lost what?

We were a larger empire, for longer, than the American one can hope to be…

:-)[/quote]
Size and power defined how? Besides, in more recent history, we spanked your gender confused asses twice in a row. In most competitions the winner is the champ. So…[/quote]

Yeah well, Alexander, that little upstart shit, did conquer the Persian empire too…

And it promptly plunged into chaos after his death…

Sometimes, fucking up stuff is just so much easier than keeping things together, but of course an adolescent mindset is more inclined to do the former. [/quote]
So, Hitler for the win!?

We’ve redefined the entire worlds outlook. Nobody has ever done that. [/quote]

Oh boy.

I have swords older than your nation.

Just saying. [/quote]
So does Japan but we fucked them right up with new technology. And then rebuilt them, launching the economic powerhouse they are today.[/quote]

All this making sure they are subservient.
[/quote]
Yep.[/quote]

Finally someone here who’s not bullshitting himself with all this we fight for freedom and democracy crap.

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[quote]joebassin wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]joebassin wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]DrSkeptix wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]DrSkeptix wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]ironcross wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]ironcross wrote:

…I have known one in real life…

[/quote]

POIDNH
[/quote]

I don’t know why you’d ask for that.[/quote]

I guess what I was asking, in a manner of speaking, is how YOU, IhaveabiologydegreeandyoudontCross, KNOW that this person “has a fully functional penis and vagina.”[/quote]

Could be persistent mullerian duct syndrome, one of a number of failures of mullerian inhibiting factor. Most such cases are castrated as infants and raised as girls, or as Austrians, since ambiguous genitalia goes unnoticed among them.

[/quote]

True, we have extraordinarily small penises.

Unfortunately we cannot compensate for it with a rather larger army and the occasional war…

Pity, really… [/quote]

Now, are you speaking as a castrated hermaphrodite, or as an average Austrian with ambiguous genitalia?
Either position is plausible, but historically speaking, the Austrian is more bellicose than the eunuch, regardless of genotype.
[/quote]
Yeah but they lose, probably because their balls are swallowed up by their own vaginas.

What an enlightening thread this has become.[/quote]

Lost what?

We were a larger empire, for longer, than the American one can hope to be…

:-)[/quote]
Size and power defined how? Besides, in more recent history, we spanked your gender confused asses twice in a row. In most competitions the winner is the champ. So…[/quote]

Yeah well, Alexander, that little upstart shit, did conquer the Persian empire too…

And it promptly plunged into chaos after his death…

Sometimes, fucking up stuff is just so much easier than keeping things together, but of course an adolescent mindset is more inclined to do the former. [/quote]
So, Hitler for the win!?

We’ve redefined the entire worlds outlook. Nobody has ever done that. [/quote]

Oh boy.

I have swords older than your nation.

Just saying. [/quote]
So does Japan but we fucked them right up with new technology. And then rebuilt them, launching the economic powerhouse they are today.[/quote]

All this making sure they are subservient.
[/quote]
Yep.[/quote]

Finally someone here who’s not bullshitting himself with all this we fight for freedom and democracy crap. [/quote]I would say its both.

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[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]joebassin wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]joebassin wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]DrSkeptix wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]DrSkeptix wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]ironcross wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]ironcross wrote:

…I have known one in real life…

[/quote]

POIDNH
[/quote]

I don’t know why you’d ask for that.[/quote]

I guess what I was asking, in a manner of speaking, is how YOU, IhaveabiologydegreeandyoudontCross, KNOW that this person “has a fully functional penis and vagina.”[/quote]

Could be persistent mullerian duct syndrome, one of a number of failures of mullerian inhibiting factor. Most such cases are castrated as infants and raised as girls, or as Austrians, since ambiguous genitalia goes unnoticed among them.

[/quote]

True, we have extraordinarily small penises.

Unfortunately we cannot compensate for it with a rather larger army and the occasional war…

Pity, really… [/quote]

Now, are you speaking as a castrated hermaphrodite, or as an average Austrian with ambiguous genitalia?
Either position is plausible, but historically speaking, the Austrian is more bellicose than the eunuch, regardless of genotype.
[/quote]
Yeah but they lose, probably because their balls are swallowed up by their own vaginas.

What an enlightening thread this has become.[/quote]

Lost what?

We were a larger empire, for longer, than the American one can hope to be…

:-)[/quote]
Size and power defined how? Besides, in more recent history, we spanked your gender confused asses twice in a row. In most competitions the winner is the champ. So…[/quote]

Yeah well, Alexander, that little upstart shit, did conquer the Persian empire too…

And it promptly plunged into chaos after his death…

Sometimes, fucking up stuff is just so much easier than keeping things together, but of course an adolescent mindset is more inclined to do the former. [/quote]
So, Hitler for the win!?

We’ve redefined the entire worlds outlook. Nobody has ever done that. [/quote]

Oh boy.

I have swords older than your nation.

Just saying. [/quote]
So does Japan but we fucked them right up with new technology. And then rebuilt them, launching the economic powerhouse they are today.[/quote]

All this making sure they are subservient.
[/quote]
Yep.[/quote]

Finally someone here who’s not bullshitting himself with all this we fight for freedom and democracy crap. [/quote]I would say its both.
[/quote]

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]ironcross wrote:

[quote]kamui wrote:

which doesn’t means that i do not care about the criterai used by the law to decide and declare who is man and who is woman.

You know, the state doesn’t declare a man to be a woman just because… you decided it would be a cool hypothesis for a little logic-sodomizing on PWI.

Hence this answer :

Maybe it’s my syntax, but it’s pretty clear and obvious, i think.

[/quote]

How are they going to assign male or female sex to a hermaphrodite? I think it’s great that you don’t see the logic mis-step you took in your first post by allowing a hermaphrodite to marry as long as they were assigned a legal completely male or completely female sex.

I also think it’s hilarious that these boards have brought the great and peaceful Kamui to stoop to anal-sex insults in a thread concerning gay sex which may not even involve butts :)[/quote]

Wrong route of attack, he has already conceded that gender is assigned by the law, I would milk that for all its worth. [/quote]

That’s basically what I’m doing, although apparently failing to communicate. Want to take a stab at it?

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[quote]Sloth wrote:
If I decide I’m black, can I increase melanin production by sheer force of will? The Florida sun is brutal on my pastiness.[/quote]

I think you’re missing something somewhere if this is what you came up with. The conversation isn’t about changing your physical being; it’s about the law’s ability to say that someone who is half white and half black is either completely one or the other and how this brings into question whether the law is reflecting the natural order of things or creating its own fairly arbitrary one.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:
Honest to Zeus, IC, I hope I don’t hurt your feelings too much but you can brutalize/sodomize/torture logic here on good ol’ PWI better than anyone I can remember in recent history.

Not just on this thread either.

Sheesh, baby.[/quote]

From your “huh” and the fact that Orion pointed out that I should “milk the admission that gender is assigned by law for it’s worth” when that is exactly that I was trying to point out to you, I think it’s safe to say that my logic is sound; I’m just not communicating it very well.

So Push, let’s try this again. Do you believe that gender should be assigned by law in categories of male and female and that marriage should only be between these categories?

And don’t feel bad just because you can’t keep up :slight_smile:

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[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]joebassin wrote:
Finally someone here who’s not bullshitting himself with all this we fight for freedom and democracy crap.
[/quote]

Absolutely!

If THAT were true, Iraq would be more or less a democracy now.

Oh wait…

[/quote]

Oi, cut that out, the truth will not be tolerated here, only the frothing frenzy America is evil tale put forward by our resident anitsemite and dear old joe.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:
I love the “profundity” of Miss IC’s premise:

Hermaphrodites exist in this world. Rarely.

They possess genitals from both sexes.

MAYBE one or two of 'em wants to get legally married someday. How should they “register” themselves in order to do so?

Because they technically, anatomically could “register” themselves as either sex we, society, have a (illusionary or fabricated) quandary on our hands.

Therefore, in order to extricate society from this “quandary” inherent in the hermaphrodite puzzle, gay marriage should be legalized.

LOL[/quote]

Laughing at his premises doesn’t make the conclusions any less valid. Neither does typing “rarely” and “maybe”. Fact of the matter is, hermaphrodites DO present a problem for people that want to force their ideas of marriage on everyone else and those people should just man up and admit it.

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It would be amusing to tell someone to fuck themselves and they could!

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]ironcross wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:
Honest to Zeus, IC, I hope I don’t hurt your feelings too much but you can brutalize/sodomize/torture logic here on good ol’ PWI better than anyone I can remember in recent history.

Not just on this thread either.

Sheesh, baby.[/quote]

From your “huh” and the fact that Orion pointed out that I should “milk the admission that gender is assigned by law for it’s worth” when that is exactly that I was trying to point out to you, I think it’s safe to say that my logic is sound; I’m just not communicating it very well.

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Well, one huge mistake (your first of two) you’re making here is to give Navajo Joe any credence in this regard. In other words, if I were you I would retain different counsel.

The second is to insist your logic is sound. As I explained earlier, in a manner of speaking, this whole thread premise is preposterously contorted.

Yes and no. It should be assigned by what’s hanging between someone’s legs. And don’t pull the pathetic example of hermaphroditism again to contradict me. True hermaphroditism probably applies to all of 2 - 3 people in the USA (or at the most some ridiculously low number).

Yes.

However, in my old age I am starting to drift towards the libertarian end of the pool with the “leave the government out of the marrying business altogether” philosophy.
[/quote]

Let’s see, 1 in 1,000 are born with some form of hermaphrodism, or another condition where sex is ambiguous at birth and therefore assigned arbitrarily. There are 312,586,099 people in the US. This means that there are around 312,568 people that this applies to, which is about the number of people living in Miami, Florida. That’s a little bit more than “one or two”.

So, this “little” example is a real thing that should be given consideration. The truth of the matter is that if I was to bring up this argument to some Native American societies, or to the entire population of India, I wouldn’t have much of an argument because they’ve assigned these people a third gender, and this third gender has been considered by their moral code for centuries. But in the US, this stands as a great example of the fact that gender is assigned by law. It doesn’t reflect the natural order of things and you can’t make moral declarations of right or wrong based on it because it doesn’t account for all of reality.

To ignore this is like saying “Well, this study doesn’t really fit my expectations, so I’m going to fudge the data”. Is your moral code so tightly clung to that you can’t admit when there’s an area that it hasn’t taken into consideration, and so you’re smudging data to fit your reality, instead of changing your code to reflect reality?

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How in the world is this still going? Men have been born with predispositions, proclivities, and compulsions since the dawn of time. If any predisposition is widespread and common, it is the appetite to stray. That is, to have multiple partners. So why isn’t polyamorous marriage/arrangement the hot topic here? Why the singular obsession with homosexuality (which this is really about) in this forum?

Do you not have other interests? Like, say, bisexual polyamorous relationships, too? Homosexual siblings? Non-intimate ‘marital’ arrangements?. Are you really an anarchist? “The state must recognize all imaginative arrangements of humans, no matter the number involved, the genders, or the nature of the relationship! Or, preferably, it must not recognize any! Freeeeeedom!” Or, do you have some obsession with homosexuals?

Hard cases don’t make good laws. The state recognizes traditional marriage because it is the smallest possible unit capable of producing and raising it’s own children in intact homes. The end.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:
What does your diagram have to do with this topic?[/quote]

It shows your stupidity.