Who Believes?

[quote]jonnyblaze wrote:
It’s not as if God working miracles through non-Christians somehow endorses their entire belief system.[/quote]

And yet Christians interpret the miracles of the bible as proof that their particular belief system is correct. I’m just pointing out that it goes both ways. I don’t personally think any of these “miracles”, biblical or otherwise, occurred any more than the “miracles” ascribed to the Greek and Roman pantheons occurred. Regardless, they clearly cannot be accepted as proof for a particular belief system, since logically it is impossible for all of these contradictory belief systems, claiming historical miracles, to be correct.

It would be cool if Christians and believers of other religions focused on common values across all faiths. The unifying concept I find across these different belief systems is love. If religion limited itself to encouraging and fostering love, rather than judgment, discrimination, and condemnation, the world would be a lot better off.

[quote]forlife wrote:
It would be cool if Christians and believers of other religions focused on common values across all faiths. The unifying concept I find across these different belief systems is love. If religion limited itself to encouraging and fostering love, rather than judgment, discrimination, and condemnation, the world would be a lot better off.[/quote]

There actually is a religion based off this idea of unity, it’s called “Baha’i” (Baháʼí symbols - Wikipedia’%C3%AD_Faith). One of my co-workers follows this faith and it’s quiet interesting. They reference a lot of other religions and their beliefs, but put their own spin on them.

Edit: Here’s a video explaining their religion: What is the Baha'i Faith? - YouTube

Sounds similar to Unitarian Universalists, which if I were religiously inclined, would probably be my church of choice.

[quote]BackInAction wrote:
forlife wrote:
It would be cool if Christians and believers of other religions focused on common values across all faiths. The unifying concept I find across these different belief systems is love. If religion limited itself to encouraging and fostering love, rather than judgment, discrimination, and condemnation, the world would be a lot better off.

There actually is a religion based off this idea of unity, it’s called “Baha’i” (Baháʼí symbols - Wikipedia’%C3%AD_Faith). One of my co-workers follows this faith and it’s quiet interesting. They reference a lot of other religions and their beliefs, but put their own spin on them.

Edit: Here’s a video explaining their religion: What is the Baha'i Faith? - YouTube

Talk about being a commitment phobe. Yeah, I love all people, because they are my family. I do not hate Muslims, and I do not hate people who worship Ba’al. I hate heretics. You take my voice from a debate and say because I can get heated because of the debate, I must hate people. Or at least hint to it. There is a principle that I do not recall the name of, but I will try and find it, where it says if someone believes in something 100% or even a fraction of that, they cannot believe something else contradictory or false to that information. Basically the man stated it as if you love the truth or orthodoxy, you hate things that are false and heresy.

[quote]forlife wrote:
Regardless, they clearly cannot be accepted as proof for a particular belief system, since logically it is impossible for all of these contradictory belief systems, claiming historical miracles, to be correct.

[/quote]

I see where you’re coming from and admit that just pointing to any old run-of-the-mill miracle (that seems like an oxymoron!) is not really very good evidence, but that is not really the crux of my argument for Christianity. Rather, the argument really centers on Jesus’ ability to back up his claims of divinity with the resurrection (which as far I can tell is unique to the Christian faith), not on the miracles that were performed during his normal life. Muhammad never claimed he was God because he knew he couldn’t back it up despite all of the miracles associated with the Muslim faith. The pharoahs claimed divinity and then promptly enjoyed their eternal sleep in the great pyramids.

To determine the validity of Christianity, you need not waste your time offering "proof for a particular belief system). There’s really only one question that needs to be answered - Was Jesus or was he not God (like he claimed to be)? If yes, then you have to believe EVERYTHING he taught you about how to live. If no, then he was just a whack job no differernt than some crazy folks today who claim to be divine. The point, though, is that you don’t really need to evaluate the validity of the belief system in a way that would be required of other belief systems. Instead, you just evaluate the person making the claims rather than the claims themselves. And if you believe he is not a nut job, then EVERYTHING that he said must necessarily be true because he is God. It’s an entirely different logic than what would be needed to prove say Islam or Buddhism or Hindu (where there could be some truth in the belief system and some parts that are not true).

Now whether or not you believe the Resurrection actually happened is another matter and I understand the doubt/hesitancy there.

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
BackInAction wrote:
forlife wrote:
It would be cool if Christians and believers of other religions focused on common values across all faiths. The unifying concept I find across these different belief systems is love. If religion limited itself to encouraging and fostering love, rather than judgment, discrimination, and condemnation, the world would be a lot better off.

There actually is a religion based off this idea of unity, it’s called “Baha’i” (Baháʼí symbols - Wikipedia’%C3%AD_Faith). One of my co-workers follows this faith and it’s quiet interesting. They reference a lot of other religions and their beliefs, but put their own spin on them.

Edit: Here’s a video explaining their religion: What is the Baha'i Faith? - YouTube

Talk about being a commitment phobe. Yeah, I love all people, because they are my family. I do not hate Muslims, and I do not hate people who worship Ba’al. I hate heretics. [/quote]

You hate heretics, but do not hate people from other religions? You will have to explain the logic in this, cause I see none of it.

[quote]BackInAction wrote:
Brother Chris wrote:
BackInAction wrote:
forlife wrote:
It would be cool if Christians and believers of other religions focused on common values across all faiths. The unifying concept I find across these different belief systems is love. If religion limited itself to encouraging and fostering love, rather than judgment, discrimination, and condemnation, the world would be a lot better off.

There actually is a religion based off this idea of unity, it’s called “Baha’i” (Baháʼí symbols - Wikipedia’%C3%AD_Faith). One of my co-workers follows this faith and it’s quiet interesting. They reference a lot of other religions and their beliefs, but put their own spin on them.

Edit: Here’s a video explaining their religion: What is the Baha'i Faith? - YouTube

Talk about being a commitment phobe. Yeah, I love all people, because they are my family. I do not hate Muslims, and I do not hate people who worship Ba’al. I hate heretics.

You hate heretics, but do not hate people from other religions? You will have to explain the logic in this, cause I see none of it.
[/quote]

Okay, it is like this. My neighbor is Muslim, every Saturday I go over there during College football, watch television, and eat bbq. I do not hate him, I just do not like the Muslim religion. Yeah they have some good ideals, but it’s heretics.

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
BackInAction wrote:
Brother Chris wrote:
BackInAction wrote:
forlife wrote:
It would be cool if Christians and believers of other religions focused on common values across all faiths. The unifying concept I find across these different belief systems is love. If religion limited itself to encouraging and fostering love, rather than judgment, discrimination, and condemnation, the world would be a lot better off.

There actually is a religion based off this idea of unity, it’s called “Baha’i” (Baháʼí symbols - Wikipedia’%C3%AD_Faith). One of my co-workers follows this faith and it’s quiet interesting. They reference a lot of other religions and their beliefs, but put their own spin on them.

Edit: Here’s a video explaining their religion: What is the Baha'i Faith? - YouTube

Talk about being a commitment phobe. Yeah, I love all people, because they are my family. I do not hate Muslims, and I do not hate people who worship Ba’al. I hate heretics.

You hate heretics, but do not hate people from other religions? You will have to explain the logic in this, cause I see none of it.

Okay, it is like this. My neighbor is Muslim, every Saturday I go over there during College football, watch television, and eat bbq. I do not hate him, I just do not like the Muslim religion. Yeah they have some good ideals, but it’s heretics. [/quote]

Just to clarify: A heretic is SOMEONE who holds views and beliefs that are in opposition to the doctrines and opinions of the church. So according to your belief in hating heretics, you should hate your friend just because he believes in something different than yourself.

So now that that’s cleared up, will you start hating your friend just because he’s different than yourself?

[quote]BackInAction wrote:
Brother Chris wrote:
BackInAction wrote:
Brother Chris wrote:
BackInAction wrote:
forlife wrote:
It would be cool if Christians and believers of other religions focused on common values across all faiths. The unifying concept I find across these different belief systems is love. If religion limited itself to encouraging and fostering love, rather than judgment, discrimination, and condemnation, the world would be a lot better off.

There actually is a religion based off this idea of unity, it’s called “Baha’i” (Baháʼí symbols - Wikipedia’%C3%AD_Faith). One of my co-workers follows this faith and it’s quiet interesting. They reference a lot of other religions and their beliefs, but put their own spin on them.

Edit: Here’s a video explaining their religion: What is the Baha'i Faith? - YouTube

Talk about being a commitment phobe. Yeah, I love all people, because they are my family. I do not hate Muslims, and I do not hate people who worship Ba’al. I hate heretics.

You hate heretics, but do not hate people from other religions? You will have to explain the logic in this, cause I see none of it.

Okay, it is like this. My neighbor is Muslim, every Saturday I go over there during College football, watch television, and eat bbq. I do not hate him, I just do not like the Muslim religion. Yeah they have some good ideals, but it’s heretics.

Just to clarify: A heretic is SOMEONE who holds views and beliefs that are in opposition to the doctrines and opinions of the church. So according to your belief in hating heretics, you should hate your friend just because he believes in something different than yourself.

So now that that’s cleared up, will you start hating your friend just because he’s different than yourself?[/quote]

A muslim isn’t a heretic, to a Roman Catholic.

[quote]Sloth wrote:
BackInAction wrote:
Brother Chris wrote:
BackInAction wrote:
Brother Chris wrote:
BackInAction wrote:
forlife wrote:
It would be cool if Christians and believers of other religions focused on common values across all faiths. The unifying concept I find across these different belief systems is love. If religion limited itself to encouraging and fostering love, rather than judgment, discrimination, and condemnation, the world would be a lot better off.

There actually is a religion based off this idea of unity, it’s called “Baha’i” (Baháʼí symbols - Wikipedia’%C3%AD_Faith). One of my co-workers follows this faith and it’s quiet interesting. They reference a lot of other religions and their beliefs, but put their own spin on them.

Edit: Here’s a video explaining their religion: What is the Baha'i Faith? - YouTube

Talk about being a commitment phobe. Yeah, I love all people, because they are my family. I do not hate Muslims, and I do not hate people who worship Ba’al. I hate heretics.

You hate heretics, but do not hate people from other religions? You will have to explain the logic in this, cause I see none of it.

Okay, it is like this. My neighbor is Muslim, every Saturday I go over there during College football, watch television, and eat bbq. I do not hate him, I just do not like the Muslim religion. Yeah they have some good ideals, but it’s heretics.

Just to clarify: A heretic is SOMEONE who holds views and beliefs that are in opposition to the doctrines and opinions of the church. So according to your belief in hating heretics, you should hate your friend just because he believes in something different than yourself.

So now that that’s cleared up, will you start hating your friend just because he’s different than yourself?

A muslim isn’t a heretic, to a Roman Catholic.[/quote]

cough Crusades cough cough

[quote]BackInAction wrote:
Sloth wrote:
BackInAction wrote:
Brother Chris wrote:
BackInAction wrote:
Brother Chris wrote:
BackInAction wrote:
forlife wrote:
It would be cool if Christians and believers of other religions focused on common values across all faiths. The unifying concept I find across these different belief systems is love. If religion limited itself to encouraging and fostering love, rather than judgment, discrimination, and condemnation, the world would be a lot better off.

There actually is a religion based off this idea of unity, it’s called “Baha’i” (Baháʼí symbols - Wikipedia’%C3%AD_Faith). One of my co-workers follows this faith and it’s quiet interesting. They reference a lot of other religions and their beliefs, but put their own spin on them.

Edit: Here’s a video explaining their religion: What is the Baha'i Faith? - YouTube

Talk about being a commitment phobe. Yeah, I love all people, because they are my family. I do not hate Muslims, and I do not hate people who worship Ba’al. I hate heretics.

You hate heretics, but do not hate people from other religions? You will have to explain the logic in this, cause I see none of it.

Okay, it is like this. My neighbor is Muslim, every Saturday I go over there during College football, watch television, and eat bbq. I do not hate him, I just do not like the Muslim religion. Yeah they have some good ideals, but it’s heretics.

Just to clarify: A heretic is SOMEONE who holds views and beliefs that are in opposition to the doctrines and opinions of the church. So according to your belief in hating heretics, you should hate your friend just because he believes in something different than yourself.

So now that that’s cleared up, will you start hating your friend just because he’s different than yourself?

A muslim isn’t a heretic, to a Roman Catholic.

cough Crusades cough cough[/quote]

And? Are you confused with the apostate? A heretic proffesses the christian faith, but dissents from established dogma and doctrine. An apostate isn’t even a proffessed christian. Then there are the schismatics, of course.

[quote]jonnyblaze wrote:
To determine the validity of Christianity, you need not waste your time offering "proof for a particular belief system). There’s really only one question that needs to be answered - Was Jesus or was he not God (like he claimed to be)?[/quote]

How do you objectively answer that question then? Historical accounts of many different religious myths are dismissed as false, so why should the account of Jesus be any different?

For example, you mentioned the resurrection of Jesus. In reality, there are many accounts of non-Christian religious figures predating Jesus, that were similarly brought back from the dead. Why should these accounts be dismissed, without holding the Christian account to the same objective standard?

Life Events Shared by Osiris, Dionysus and Jesus

The following stories appear both in the bible and in religions that predated Jesus:

Conception
God was his father. This was believed to be literally true in the case of Osiris-Dionysus; their God came to earth and engaged in sexual intercourse with a human. The father of Jesus is God in the form of the Holy Spirit (Matthew 1:18).

A human woman, a virgin, was his mother.

Birth
He was born in a cave or cowshed. Luke 2:7 mentions that Jesus was placed in a manger - an eating trough for animals. One early Christian tradition said that the manger was in a cave.

His birth was prophesized by a star in the heavens.

Ministry
At a marriage ceremony, he performed the miracle of converting water into wine.

He was powerless to perform miracles in his home town.

His followers were born-again through baptism in water.

He rode triumphantly into a city on a donkey. Tradition records that the inhabitants waved palm leaves.

He had 12 disciples.

He was accused of licentious behavior.

Execution/Resurrection
He was killed near the time of the Vernal Equinox, about March 21.

He died “as a sacrifice for the sins of the world.”

He was hung on a tree, stake, or cross.

After death, he descended into hell.

On the third day after his death, he returned to life.

The cave where he was laid was visited by three of his female followers.

He later ascended to heaven.

Titles
God made flesh.

Savior of the world.

Son of God.

Beliefs about the God-Man
He is “God made man,” and equal to the Father.

He will return in the last days.

He will judge the human race at that time.

Humans are separated from God by original sin. The god-man’s sacrificial death reunites the believer with God and atones for the original sin.

These accounts had been circulating for centuries before the birth of Jesus (4 to 7 BC). It is obvious that if any copying occurred, it was the followers of Jesus incorporating into his biography the myths and legends of Osiris-Dionysus, not vice-versa.

[quote]Sloth wrote:
BackInAction wrote:
Sloth wrote:
BackInAction wrote:
Brother Chris wrote:
BackInAction wrote:
Brother Chris wrote:
BackInAction wrote:
forlife wrote:
It would be cool if Christians and believers of other religions focused on common values across all faiths. The unifying concept I find across these different belief systems is love. If religion limited itself to encouraging and fostering love, rather than judgment, discrimination, and condemnation, the world would be a lot better off.

There actually is a religion based off this idea of unity, it’s called “Baha’i” (Baháʼí symbols - Wikipedia’%C3%AD_Faith). One of my co-workers follows this faith and it’s quiet interesting. They reference a lot of other religions and their beliefs, but put their own spin on them.

Edit: Here’s a video explaining their religion: What is the Baha'i Faith? - YouTube

Talk about being a commitment phobe. Yeah, I love all people, because they are my family. I do not hate Muslims, and I do not hate people who worship Ba’al. I hate heretics.

You hate heretics, but do not hate people from other religions? You will have to explain the logic in this, cause I see none of it.

Okay, it is like this. My neighbor is Muslim, every Saturday I go over there during College football, watch television, and eat bbq. I do not hate him, I just do not like the Muslim religion. Yeah they have some good ideals, but it’s heretics.

Just to clarify: A heretic is SOMEONE who holds views and beliefs that are in opposition to the doctrines and opinions of the church. So according to your belief in hating heretics, you should hate your friend just because he believes in something different than yourself.

So now that that’s cleared up, will you start hating your friend just because he’s different than yourself?

A muslim isn’t a heretic, to a Roman Catholic.

cough Crusades cough cough

And? Are you confused with the apostate? A heretic proffesses the christian faith, but dissents from established dogma and doctrine. An apostate isn’t even a proffessed christian. Then there are the schismatics, of course. [/quote]

I don’t think the term Heretic simply applies to those who have professed a faith and dissents from established dogma and doctrines. I believe it applies to anyone who has different doctrines that your own.

"The term “heresy” has no purely objective meaning: the category exists only from the point of view of speakers within a group that has previously agreed about what counts as “orthodox”. Any nonconformist view within any field may be perceived as “heretical” by others within that field who are convinced that their view is “orthodox”; in the sciences this extension is made tongue-in-cheek.

Heretics usually do not define their own beliefs as heretical. Heresy is a value judgment and the expression of a view from within an established belief system. For instance, Roman Catholics held Protestantism as a heresy while some non-Catholics considered Catholicism the “Great Apostasy.”"

[quote]BackInAction wrote:
Brother Chris wrote:
BackInAction wrote:
Brother Chris wrote:
BackInAction wrote:
forlife wrote:
It would be cool if Christians and believers of other religions focused on common values across all faiths. The unifying concept I find across these different belief systems is love. If religion limited itself to encouraging and fostering love, rather than judgment, discrimination, and condemnation, the world would be a lot better off.

There actually is a religion based off this idea of unity, it’s called “Baha’i” (Baháʼí symbols - Wikipedia’%C3%AD_Faith). One of my co-workers follows this faith and it’s quiet interesting. They reference a lot of other religions and their beliefs, but put their own spin on them.

Edit: Here’s a video explaining their religion: What is the Baha'i Faith? - YouTube

Talk about being a commitment phobe. Yeah, I love all people, because they are my family. I do not hate Muslims, and I do not hate people who worship Ba’al. I hate heretics.

You hate heretics, but do not hate people from other religions? You will have to explain the logic in this, cause I see none of it.

Okay, it is like this. My neighbor is Muslim, every Saturday I go over there during College football, watch television, and eat bbq. I do not hate him, I just do not like the Muslim religion. Yeah they have some good ideals, but it’s heretics.

Just to clarify: A heretic is SOMEONE who holds views and beliefs that are in opposition to the doctrines and opinions of the church. So according to your belief in hating heretics, you should hate your friend just because he believes in something different than yourself.

So now that that’s cleared up, will you start hating your friend just because he’s different than yourself?[/quote]

True, heresy. I do not actually hate the person, just their actions and faith.

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
BackInAction wrote:
Brother Chris wrote:
BackInAction wrote:
Brother Chris wrote:
BackInAction wrote:
forlife wrote:
It would be cool if Christians and believers of other religions focused on common values across all faiths. The unifying concept I find across these different belief systems is love. If religion limited itself to encouraging and fostering love, rather than judgment, discrimination, and condemnation, the world would be a lot better off.

There actually is a religion based off this idea of unity, it’s called “Baha’i” (Baháʼí symbols - Wikipedia’%C3%AD_Faith). One of my co-workers follows this faith and it’s quiet interesting. They reference a lot of other religions and their beliefs, but put their own spin on them.

Edit: Here’s a video explaining their religion: What is the Baha'i Faith? - YouTube

Talk about being a commitment phobe. Yeah, I love all people, because they are my family. I do not hate Muslims, and I do not hate people who worship Ba’al. I hate heretics.

You hate heretics, but do not hate people from other religions? You will have to explain the logic in this, cause I see none of it.

Okay, it is like this. My neighbor is Muslim, every Saturday I go over there during College football, watch television, and eat bbq. I do not hate him, I just do not like the Muslim religion. Yeah they have some good ideals, but it’s heretics.

Just to clarify: A heretic is SOMEONE who holds views and beliefs that are in opposition to the doctrines and opinions of the church. So according to your belief in hating heretics, you should hate your friend just because he believes in something different than yourself.

So now that that’s cleared up, will you start hating your friend just because he’s different than yourself?

True, heresy. I do not actually hate the person, just their actions and faith.[/quote]

Sorry, I have to ask cause I’m curious now. What do you hate about their actions and faith?

[quote]BackInAction wrote:
Sloth wrote:
BackInAction wrote:
Sloth wrote:
BackInAction wrote:
Brother Chris wrote:
BackInAction wrote:
Brother Chris wrote:
BackInAction wrote:
forlife wrote:
It would be cool if Christians and believers of other religions focused on common values across all faiths. The unifying concept I find across these different belief systems is love. If religion limited itself to encouraging and fostering love, rather than judgment, discrimination, and condemnation, the world would be a lot better off.

There actually is a religion based off this idea of unity, it’s called “Baha’i” (Baháʼí symbols - Wikipedia’%C3%AD_Faith). One of my co-workers follows this faith and it’s quiet interesting. They reference a lot of other religions and their beliefs, but put their own spin on them.

Edit: Here’s a video explaining their religion: What is the Baha'i Faith? - YouTube

Talk about being a commitment phobe. Yeah, I love all people, because they are my family. I do not hate Muslims, and I do not hate people who worship Ba’al. I hate heretics.

You hate heretics, but do not hate people from other religions? You will have to explain the logic in this, cause I see none of it.

Okay, it is like this. My neighbor is Muslim, every Saturday I go over there during College football, watch television, and eat bbq. I do not hate him, I just do not like the Muslim religion. Yeah they have some good ideals, but it’s heretics.

Just to clarify: A heretic is SOMEONE who holds views and beliefs that are in opposition to the doctrines and opinions of the church. So according to your belief in hating heretics, you should hate your friend just because he believes in something different than yourself.

So now that that’s cleared up, will you start hating your friend just because he’s different than yourself?

A muslim isn’t a heretic, to a Roman Catholic.

cough Crusades cough cough

And? Are you confused with the apostate? A heretic proffesses the christian faith, but dissents from established dogma and doctrine. An apostate isn’t even a proffessed christian. Then there are the schismatics, of course.

I don’t think the term Heretic simply applies to those who have professed a faith and dissents from established dogma and doctrines. I believe it applies to anyone who has different doctrines that your own.

"The term “heresy” has no purely objective meaning: the category exists only from the point of view of speakers within a group that has previously agreed about what counts as “orthodox”. Any nonconformist view within any field may be perceived as “heretical” by others within that field who are convinced that their view is “orthodox”; in the sciences this extension is made tongue-in-cheek.

Heretics usually do not define their own beliefs as heretical. Heresy is a value judgment and the expression of a view from within an established belief system. For instance, Roman Catholics held Protestantism as a heresy while some non-Catholics considered Catholicism the “Great Apostasy.”"[/quote]

  1. a professed believer who maintains religious opinions contrary to those accepted by his or her church or rejects doctrines prescribed by that church.
  2. Roman Catholic Church. a baptized Roman Catholic who willfully and persistently rejects any article of faith.
  3. anyone who does not conform to an established attitude, doctrine, or principle.

I hate heresy more directly than heretics themselves, although I usually am annoyed with heretics when they talk about their heresy. I take a little bit more relaxed stance than other Catholics.

[quote]BackInAction wrote:
Sloth wrote:
BackInAction wrote:
Brother Chris wrote:
BackInAction wrote:
Brother Chris wrote:
BackInAction wrote:
forlife wrote:
It would be cool if Christians and believers of other religions focused on common values across all faiths. The unifying concept I find across these different belief systems is love. If religion limited itself to encouraging and fostering love, rather than judgment, discrimination, and condemnation, the world would be a lot better off.

There actually is a religion based off this idea of unity, it’s called “Baha’i” (Baháʼí symbols - Wikipedia’%C3%AD_Faith). One of my co-workers follows this faith and it’s quiet interesting. They reference a lot of other religions and their beliefs, but put their own spin on them.

Edit: Here’s a video explaining their religion: What is the Baha'i Faith? - YouTube

Talk about being a commitment phobe. Yeah, I love all people, because they are my family. I do not hate Muslims, and I do not hate people who worship Ba’al. I hate heretics.

You hate heretics, but do not hate people from other religions? You will have to explain the logic in this, cause I see none of it.

Okay, it is like this. My neighbor is Muslim, every Saturday I go over there during College football, watch television, and eat bbq. I do not hate him, I just do not like the Muslim religion. Yeah they have some good ideals, but it’s heretics.

Just to clarify: A heretic is SOMEONE who holds views and beliefs that are in opposition to the doctrines and opinions of the church. So according to your belief in hating heretics, you should hate your friend just because he believes in something different than yourself.

So now that that’s cleared up, will you start hating your friend just because he’s different than yourself?

A muslim isn’t a heretic, to a Roman Catholic.

cough Crusades cough cough[/quote]

The Crusades were not about heresy, at least I am confused. I however, do not hate people that have false teachings either, even though false religions falls under my hate list.

[quote]BackInAction wrote:
Sloth wrote:
BackInAction wrote:
Sloth wrote:
BackInAction wrote:
Brother Chris wrote:
BackInAction wrote:
Brother Chris wrote:
BackInAction wrote:
forlife wrote:
It would be cool if Christians and believers of other religions focused on common values across all faiths. The unifying concept I find across these different belief systems is love. If religion limited itself to encouraging and fostering love, rather than judgment, discrimination, and condemnation, the world would be a lot better off.

There actually is a religion based off this idea of unity, it’s called “Baha’i” (Baháʼí symbols - Wikipedia’%C3%AD_Faith). One of my co-workers follows this faith and it’s quiet interesting. They reference a lot of other religions and their beliefs, but put their own spin on them.

Edit: Here’s a video explaining their religion: What is the Baha'i Faith? - YouTube

Talk about being a commitment phobe. Yeah, I love all people, because they are my family. I do not hate Muslims, and I do not hate people who worship Ba’al. I hate heretics.

You hate heretics, but do not hate people from other religions? You will have to explain the logic in this, cause I see none of it.

Okay, it is like this. My neighbor is Muslim, every Saturday I go over there during College football, watch television, and eat bbq. I do not hate him, I just do not like the Muslim religion. Yeah they have some good ideals, but it’s heretics.

Just to clarify: A heretic is SOMEONE who holds views and beliefs that are in opposition to the doctrines and opinions of the church. So according to your belief in hating heretics, you should hate your friend just because he believes in something different than yourself.

So now that that’s cleared up, will you start hating your friend just because he’s different than yourself?

A muslim isn’t a heretic, to a Roman Catholic.

cough Crusades cough cough

And? Are you confused with the apostate? A heretic proffesses the christian faith, but dissents from established dogma and doctrine. An apostate isn’t even a proffessed christian. Then there are the schismatics, of course.

I don’t think the term Heretic simply applies to those who have professed a faith and dissents from established dogma and doctrines. I believe it applies to anyone who has different doctrines that your own.

"The term “heresy” has no purely objective meaning: the category exists only from the point of view of speakers within a group that has previously agreed about what counts as “orthodox”. Any nonconformist view within any field may be perceived as “heretical” by others within that field who are convinced that their view is “orthodox”; in the sciences this extension is made tongue-in-cheek.

Heretics usually do not define their own beliefs as heretical. Heresy is a value judgment and the expression of a view from within an established belief system. For instance, Roman Catholics held Protestantism as a heresy while some non-Catholics considered Catholicism the “Great Apostasy.”"[/quote]

None of this matters. Didn’t he identify himself as a Catholic? So a muslim would not be considered a heretic.

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
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It would be cool if Christians and believers of other religions focused on common values across all faiths. The unifying concept I find across these different belief systems is love. If religion limited itself to encouraging and fostering love, rather than judgment, discrimination, and condemnation, the world would be a lot better off.

There actually is a religion based off this idea of unity, it’s called “Baha’i” (Baháʼí symbols - Wikipedia’%C3%AD_Faith). One of my co-workers follows this faith and it’s quiet interesting. They reference a lot of other religions and their beliefs, but put their own spin on them.

Edit: Here’s a video explaining their religion: What is the Baha'i Faith? - YouTube

Talk about being a commitment phobe. Yeah, I love all people, because they are my family. I do not hate Muslims, and I do not hate people who worship Ba’al. I hate heretics.

You hate heretics, but do not hate people from other religions? You will have to explain the logic in this, cause I see none of it.

Okay, it is like this. My neighbor is Muslim, every Saturday I go over there during College football, watch television, and eat bbq. I do not hate him, I just do not like the Muslim religion. Yeah they have some good ideals, but it’s heretics.

Just to clarify: A heretic is SOMEONE who holds views and beliefs that are in opposition to the doctrines and opinions of the church. So according to your belief in hating heretics, you should hate your friend just because he believes in something different than yourself.

So now that that’s cleared up, will you start hating your friend just because he’s different than yourself?

A muslim isn’t a heretic, to a Roman Catholic.

cough Crusades cough cough

And? Are you confused with the apostate? A heretic proffesses the christian faith, but dissents from established dogma and doctrine. An apostate isn’t even a proffessed christian. Then there are the schismatics, of course.

I don’t think the term Heretic simply applies to those who have professed a faith and dissents from established dogma and doctrines. I believe it applies to anyone who has different doctrines that your own.

"The term “heresy” has no purely objective meaning: the category exists only from the point of view of speakers within a group that has previously agreed about what counts as “orthodox”. Any nonconformist view within any field may be perceived as “heretical” by others within that field who are convinced that their view is “orthodox”; in the sciences this extension is made tongue-in-cheek.

Heretics usually do not define their own beliefs as heretical. Heresy is a value judgment and the expression of a view from within an established belief system. For instance, Roman Catholics held Protestantism as a heresy while some non-Catholics considered Catholicism the “Great Apostasy.”"

  1. a professed believer who maintains religious opinions contrary to those accepted by his or her church or rejects doctrines prescribed by that church.
  2. Roman Catholic Church. a baptized Roman Catholic who willfully and persistently rejects any article of faith.
  3. anyone who does not conform to an established attitude, doctrine, or principle.

I hate heresy more directly than heretics themselves, although I usually am annoyed with heretics when they talk about their heresy. I take a little bit more relaxed stance than other Catholics. [/quote]

Gotcha, thanks for clearing that up.

[quote]Sloth wrote:
BackInAction wrote:
Sloth wrote:
BackInAction wrote:
Sloth wrote:
BackInAction wrote:
Brother Chris wrote:
BackInAction wrote:
Brother Chris wrote:
BackInAction wrote:
forlife wrote:
It would be cool if Christians and believers of other religions focused on common values across all faiths. The unifying concept I find across these different belief systems is love. If religion limited itself to encouraging and fostering love, rather than judgment, discrimination, and condemnation, the world would be a lot better off.

There actually is a religion based off this idea of unity, it’s called “Baha’i” (Baháʼí symbols - Wikipedia’%C3%AD_Faith). One of my co-workers follows this faith and it’s quiet interesting. They reference a lot of other religions and their beliefs, but put their own spin on them.

Edit: Here’s a video explaining their religion: What is the Baha'i Faith? - YouTube

Talk about being a commitment phobe. Yeah, I love all people, because they are my family. I do not hate Muslims, and I do not hate people who worship Ba’al. I hate heretics.

You hate heretics, but do not hate people from other religions? You will have to explain the logic in this, cause I see none of it.

Okay, it is like this. My neighbor is Muslim, every Saturday I go over there during College football, watch television, and eat bbq. I do not hate him, I just do not like the Muslim religion. Yeah they have some good ideals, but it’s heretics.

Just to clarify: A heretic is SOMEONE who holds views and beliefs that are in opposition to the doctrines and opinions of the church. So according to your belief in hating heretics, you should hate your friend just because he believes in something different than yourself.

So now that that’s cleared up, will you start hating your friend just because he’s different than yourself?

A muslim isn’t a heretic, to a Roman Catholic.

cough Crusades cough cough

And? Are you confused with the apostate? A heretic proffesses the christian faith, but dissents from established dogma and doctrine. An apostate isn’t even a proffessed christian. Then there are the schismatics, of course.

I don’t think the term Heretic simply applies to those who have professed a faith and dissents from established dogma and doctrines. I believe it applies to anyone who has different doctrines that your own.

"The term “heresy” has no purely objective meaning: the category exists only from the point of view of speakers within a group that has previously agreed about what counts as “orthodox”. Any nonconformist view within any field may be perceived as “heretical” by others within that field who are convinced that their view is “orthodox”; in the sciences this extension is made tongue-in-cheek.

Heretics usually do not define their own beliefs as heretical. Heresy is a value judgment and the expression of a view from within an established belief system. For instance, Roman Catholics held Protestantism as a heresy while some non-Catholics considered Catholicism the “Great Apostasy.”"

None of this matters. Didn’t he identify himself as a Catholic? So a muslim would not be considered a heretic.[/quote]

Yep, it’s on my Driver’s license right next to Organ Donor.